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The North-east Wisconsin Radiator Shop Re-boot

unclemoak

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As an avid tinkerer I've reached a point where I can justify buying a shop. For the last 20+ years I've been fascinated with tearing things apart, machining, fixing houses and everything that goes with it. I'm a full-time desk jockey by day and a shade-tree machinist/gunsmith and rental property owner by night, so there's always something that needs fixing or tinkering with. I've seemed to out grow my little one car garage shop, so lately I've been looking for a place that's a little bigger to stretch my wings and take on bigger projects.

I've always been on the search for a house with a bigger garage, but just can't seem to find one that I like, so lately my search took a different direction. I decided to look for either a shop space to rent for my machining and rental property side-business or find something that I could buy at a good price (no sense in paying someone else's mortgage) to transition toward a dedicated shop and get all the stuff out of my house.

I like to cruise all the normal outlets for finding properties for sale, Craigslist, the MLS, and Loopnet.com (more for commercial listings). More recently I found a small 1500 sq ft shop for sale that used to be a radiator shop. It wasn't in the nicest part of town, was pretty primitive (heat, running water, cider block walls, roll up door), but was listed at price reasonable enough that my side business could very realistically absorb on a monthly basis.

I took a chance and called up the realtor to take a look at the place, and confirmed what I saw in the listing pictures that it was a pretty basic building, but certainly had a lot of potential and would be a good stepping stone as I continue to build my side hustle into more of a full-time gig.



The building:

1500 sq ft Cider block building
Forced air/natural gas heat
toilet, but no sink
Inline image 3Inline image 2Inline image 110x12 overhead door
lots of windows
compressor/furnace room



The Plan:

Ultimately, I'd like to use this as a personal shop/rental office for the next few years and make improvements along the way. I'd like to fix it up with the intent to rent it out so I can move to a bigger space as the business grows. The strategy is to rent it out to a small construction/plumbing/electrical contractor because it's a decent amount of shop space, but since there's very limited street parking, it's not conducive to drive up customers.

With that in mind, I'd like to build out a modest office space and proper bathroom (with shower). I haven't determined how much I want to dump into the place, but the short list of improvements include:

New roof
New windows
Front facade
Update Plumbing
Update Electrical
Insulation
New concrete
HVAC (maybe mini-split type AC)
Office build out
Bathroom with Shower

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2fat2fly

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Nice acquisition. I'll be watching this one. It looks police a great starting point for a nice shop.


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ishiboo

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Nice buy! I'd get even fatter working on that building though, being that close to pizza... :)

Definitely going to be watching this one.
 
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unclemoak

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A slight update on the deal. As I progress toward closing and jump through all the hoops and bounds of commercial buildings and commercial lending, the topic of hazardous waste and the possibility of site contamination came up.

While my engineering sense says that a radiator shop likely produced hazardous waste, the seller is indicating on paperwork that none were produced at the site. In a discussion with the seller and realtor today, they made the comment to the effect of only solvents were used and wasted down the drain. When I questioned them further, they alluded that this mystery solvent could be mixed with anti-freeze and put down the drain. That was the first red flag, because I've never heard of such a thing. Granted I'm not in the industry, so I asked what the solvent was......mineral spirits.

Sadly, it looks like the deal on this building might go south because I don't want to deal with the headaches of remediating whatever has been put down the drain for the last 60 years.
 

fordkid88

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Where in Wisconsin? I'm hoping this still goes through for you, or you are able to find another shop as this would be so cool?
 
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unclemoak

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Where in Wisconsin? I'm hoping this still goes through for you, or you are able to find another shop as this would be so cool?

Located in Oshkosh, but have properties all over the Fox Valley.

I could start looking for a new place, but doubt I'll find something comparable.
 

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A slight update on the deal. As I progress toward closing and jump through all the hoops and bounds of commercial buildings and commercial lending, the topic of hazardous waste and the possibility of site contamination came up.

While my engineering sense says that a radiator shop likely produced hazardous waste, the seller is indicating on paperwork that none were produced at the site. In a discussion with the seller and realtor today, they made the comment to the effect of only solvents were used and wasted down the drain. When I questioned them further, they alluded that this mystery solvent could be mixed with anti-freeze and put down the drain. That was the first red flag, because I've never heard of such a thing. Granted I'm not in the industry, so I asked what the solvent was......mineral spirits.

Sadly, it looks like the deal on this building might go south because I don't want to deal with the headaches of remediating whatever has been put down the drain for the last 60 years.

Does it have a septic? If not wouldn't everything be long gone by now?
 
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unclemoak

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Does it have a septic? If not wouldn't everything be long gone by now?

Yes and no. While most hazardous waste would be long down the pipes, there is potential for there to be residual in the concrete and soil as well as the drain system.
 

fordkid88

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It seems like your still on the fence and this isnt a definitive no yet. Im in green bay and always up to give a helping hand if you do go through with it.
 
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unclemoak

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It seems like your still on the fence and this isnt a definitive no yet. Im in green bay and always up to give a helping hand if you do go through with it.


Looks like the deal is dead in the water. After talking it through with some of my advisors, we agreed it was best given the environmental concerns not to go through with the deal. No sense in loosing tons of rental properties or going bankrupt trying to fix someone else's sloppy waste disposal practices.
 

2fat2fly

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Looks like the deal is dead in the water. After talking it through with some of my advisors, we agreed it was best given the environmental concerns not to go through with the deal. No sense in loosing tons of rental properties or going bankrupt trying to fix someone else's sloppy waste disposal practices.



That really *****. I'm sorry you lost all this time on this project. I hope you find something suitable really soon.


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oilslick

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Yeah lots of unknown on a commercial property, we formed an LLC to purchase our old gas station. I don't have much to lose but you never know.
 

n20junkie

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I bet the town sewer department would be thrilled to know who has been sending buckets of mineral spirits and antifreeze their way for 30 years.
 
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unclemoak

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Yeah lots of unknown on a commercial property, we formed an LLC to purchase our old gas station. I don't have much to lose but you never know.

There are a few options for Environmental inspections, but at this point it's simply not worth dumping an extra couple thousand dollars into a $35K building especially given the current condition and other fixes it needs to be usable. For other properties I own, they are held in LLCs, so I do agree that's the preferable way to go when you have more than the average person to loose.



I bet the town sewer department would be thrilled to know who has been sending buckets of mineral spirits and antifreeze their way for 30 years.

Haha I'd imagine they wouldn't be too happy. It's really disappointing that the seller and realtor were pretty caviler with spilling the beans about not disposing of waste properly. It was apparent that they just wanted to unload the place and get the deal done.
 
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