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OrneryDuck

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After a very-long search, the wife and I were able to celebrate our fourth wedding anniversary on the 17th by closing on our first home. It is a 3 bedroom, 2.5 bath with a 3 car garage and a small shed outback. We're both still a bit in shock that we found something so close to our dream home after months of viewing so many dreary, stucco boxes without a hint of character.

After years of living in tract homes and apartments, every time I pull into the driveway I get all warm and fuzzy:
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This is what really matters!
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The garage is roughly 32x25 with raised ceilings and unfortunately a few required appliances. The A/C is neatly out of the way but the water heater, holding tank and treatment tanks are eating up valuable floor space. I don't believe I can do much about this, so I will merely do what I can to tidy them up and use the space around them.
 
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Overall I love the place and the potential in it; I just need to find the best way to use the space effectively. This is where you fine folks enter, as experienced individuals that have likely seen the best and worst way to have things setup, I'll rest heavily on your input for storage, organization and equipment to accomplish my varied goals and establish reasonable limits.

The garage will be my domain, the wife said as such as soon as we walked in the door for the first viewing. We have a shed in the back yard that once cleaned up will house all of the yard equipment, house paint and other household items that would otherwise ruin a perfectly good garage. Part of this journey will no doubt include making the shed a great place to keep things stowed.

My main goals are to have adequate parking for two cars and up to two motorcycles, a tidy work space for research by book or internet, lots of counter space for various projects as well as respective storage for tools and equipment related to those tasks. I'd like to have a couple comfy chairs near the desk area for visitors or when I need a moment to take step back and rethink a challenge I'm facing. At present I'm well-versed in equipment and machine repair but have little to no experience in metalworking or woodworking. I'd like to change that as both skills will serve my family and me well with the endeavor of this property and home. People like Jack Olsen, 'shopnut', 'sakurama' and many others here serve as inspiration for both my build and knowledge aspirations.


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-Durable floor that looks natural but resists staining from common vehicle fluids and chemicals
-Parking for up to two cars
-Parking for up to two motorcycles
-Work space that will fit a car or a motorcycle at any given time, though primarily will be working on motorcycles.
-Lots of counter space
-Lots of storage space, including drawers, shelves, cabinets
-The above three goals include having organized sections (woodwork, metalwork, detailing and general purpose/repair)
-A desk space (either a 40's tanker or custom arrangement like that of Jack Olsen's)
-At least one task chair and hopefully one or two comfy chairs
-Adequate lighting -- florescent most likely for practicality, and some hanging-incandescent for look and comfort
-Adequate 120v power access for power tools and random equipment
-At least one 220v for powering 60gal compressor
-Would like to have a MIG welder at some point... maybe another 220v or switchable with compressor source
-Drill press, likely desk mounted near the work surface where my vice(s) will be
-Maybe a small lathe and small mill if my skill and pocket change ever allow for them
-Metal I-beam across ceiling for hoisting duties
-At least one wall mounted fan, maybe more
-No lawn equipment or household items stored inside. (We have a shed for that, YAY!)
-Style will be functional with a bit of throwback to 40's/50's garages


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First order of business is the floor, as it needs to be done before we move in. At first I was going to take the DIY route as I'm just that sort of person and cheap is in my wheelhouse. I did a bit of poking around and through GJ I found Legacy's HD6600 sealer that offers protection against staining, a nice finished concrete look with relatively easy prep/application and low-cost. My job is rather demanding though and we have a lot of other important tasks to tackle with the new home. My wife also believes in outsourcing when time is a precious commodity so I'll be meeting a professional installer on Thursday to talk options. I'd like to keep things natural and simple but protect against stains, abrasion and sun-damage. I'd also like to fill the reliefs with gel to assure any wayward fasteners cannot wander too far.

Once the floor is done, I'll need to get a rough idea on what will actually fit in the garage in regards to my goals and how to arrange it all in a practical and tidy way.

More to come, including actual pictures, I promise!
 
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OrneryDuck

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I made a rough diagram of the garage from the original blueprints. I doubt the dimensions a bit as certain measurements do not add up; so I'll confirm the actual constraints when I'm there tomorrow.

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Congratulations on your 'starter' home, although I have to say you have found a charming home that sounds spacious enough to live in until the kid(s) go to college. lol

The drawing is a good 'design' start point, but it would be helpful to have some pics posted. What is the actual ceiling height? Any possibility that you will want a car/bike lift in the near future? The reason I ask is that an item like that eats up a lot of interior space; moreover its placement dictates how things around it have to be positioned. Playing with Sketch-up or some other drawing tool will help you visualize how best to assign equipment its spot. Especially if you 'block' in some appropriately sized cubes about the dimensions of your cars, bikes, etc.. Your attic access will also play a part in what you can do. The best advice I can give to you at the moment (without pics) is to make the most of your 'vertical space' first with shelving/cabinets/hooks/french cleats/etc.. Then you'll have less stuff living on the floor, eating up that precious square footage.
 
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Congratulations on your 'starter' home, although I have to say you have found a charming home that sounds spacious enough to live in until the kid(s) go to college. lol

The drawing is a good 'design' start point, but it would be helpful to have some pics posted. What is the actual ceiling height? Any possibility that you will want a car/bike lift in the near future? The reason I ask is that an item like that eats up a lot of interior space; moreover its placement dictates how things around it have to be positioned. Playing with Sketch-up or some other drawing tool will help you visualize how best to assign equipment its spot. Especially if you 'block' in some appropriately sized cubes about the dimensions of your cars, bikes, etc.. Your attic access will also play a part in what you can do. The best advice I can give to you at the moment (without pics) is to make the most of your 'vertical space' first with shelving/cabinets/hooks/french cleats/etc.. Then you'll have less stuff living on the floor, eating up that precious square footage.

:lol: Yes, we like to think of it as our first-last home and hopefully we are fortunate enough for that to be the case.

I'll take a bunch of pictures tomorrow when I'm there and try to get accurate measurements of the interior space since I have little faith in the documented measurements. I've played with SketchUp and oddly had a hard time with it, despite a bit of AutoCAD experience. I'll give it another go though as you are right, it'd certainly offer a better approximation of how it will feel. For now I revised the above image; it is still crude but takes into consideration our current vehicles that would gain the luxury of the garage.

I would like to have a lift at some point but I don't see it happening any time soon (read: years down the track, maybe). I'd more-readily have an I-beam installed into the ceiling for lifting purposes of heavy materials, engine-removal, bike lifting, etc. That even may be a bit to ask as I'm unfamiliar with the engineering required to fit such an item with measurable safety. If fortunes are in my favor it will be a subject to be broached with a professional at that time; until then I'll try to get by with a run-of-the-mill engine hoist. (I say this like it is a bad thing :p)
 
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Lots of pics, even some crappy snaps of the original plans. I intend to have them digitally scanned rather soon; unfortunately I don't have anything at home that can scan as large as A1/D.

General Area
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Details

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:Vehicle Fitment:

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:Documentation:

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I was excited to find the concrete work done properly. I'm sure 6" concrete would be better for a lift but since the idea of one is many years away or non-existent, I'm not bothered. Also looks like there will be plenty of room, even with my lazy parking job...
 
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Congratulations!
Garage is huge, clean, ideal place for the realization of their dreams!
 

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Ya, play with Sketchup to find garage nirvana; you certainly have enough space there to play with many different scenarios!

A couple of ideas I'll toss your way:
- Can your trash/recycling bin find a home outside your man door entry?
- Can the white water treatment tank be relocated between the hot water tank and the house entry landing? Even if its footprint requires a pedestal (to bring it level to the landing), it should still be low enough to be accessible for routine maintenance.
- Have you considered updating your single garage door track to a high rise variety? It would enable you to install a lift down the road.
- If you choose to leave the GD tracks as they are, there are many GJ threads showing some outstanding 'high' storage solutions. I'm not sure of the correct architectural term, but I believe 'tray' ceiling is what I'm referring to. Cabinets/shelving surrounding the perimeter of the garage at a height even with the house entry door jamb top would provide a huge amount of storage. The cabinet 'floor' could be just above the GD tracks and opener mechanism to take advantage of all that 'dead' space. The 'floor' of the cabinets could even house puck lights for task lighting around the walls.
- Adding lockable caster bases to your seldom used equipment would allow you to cram those items into an unused corner until needed.
- And of course following that well-worn adage - "A place for everything, and everything in its place" is advice we all should aspire to; something I hope I will actually achieve! lol


I'm sure that once you post some Sketchup layouts (3D), the guys here will flock to offer sage advice and friendly criticisms. Good Luck and have fun with the process!
 
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Met with some stand-up guys tonight to talk options for the floor. After a bit of dialogue, we are looking at an expensive yet long-lasting finish in one of the two colors below. We're leaning toward the green as it would compliment some other items we have in mind for the garage.

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It'll be an epoxy base coat, lots of flakes and then cleared with a urethane top-coat. Cost is about three-times what we had planned for but the reduced maintenance and confidence in the finish seems worth it.
 
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Chemical resistant? Have they said resistant to what?

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Chemical Resistance
Tests Done at 70 Degrees
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Acetone No Effect
Xylene No Effect
10% HCL Faint Spotting
Ammonia No Effect
Degreaser Faint Spotting
Liquid Plummer No Effect
Vinegar Faint Spotting
Clorox No Effect
Windex No Effect
UV Resistance Excellent
Motor Oil No Effect
Non Yellowing Excellent
Gasoline No Effect
Abrasion Resistance Excellent
Hot Tire Excellent

Edit: Here is the product used:
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We decided on green as it jives with my overall plans for the garage.
 
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