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The pleasure of using favorite tools

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Just some rambling comments about how much I enjoy using quality favorite tools. Not intended to be a commentary on a particular brand or tool, just general comments about enjoying tools I like and work well for me.

I worked on assembling and working on some non-automotive things this weekend that took a large assortment of mechanical tools, used in different ways and conditions. Doing non-vehicle work is always interesting in the difference in tools that are used and how they work. Automotive work is getting more and more to be about using the tool that will work, not the one you prefer.

The thing that I found striking is how much I enjoyed using certain tools that are exactly right and work well for the job. I’ve made a concerted effort over the past 5 years to get rid of tools I don’t like, and replace them with tools that feel exactly right and work well. In retrospect, that effort was well spent.

I observed again that I preferred the short dbe 11xx series Proto wrenches. These are my all-time favorites to use where longer leverage is not needed. I also really enjoyed the longer Snap-on XV series dbe, with their long leverage. I had to use metric combo’s also, and the Snap-on OEX were the choice there. They are a pleasure to use, the ergonomics are good and they just balance well and feel good. In SAE, I used both 6 point short proto combo’s, and the standard length 12xx series Proto. The 12 point are so much nicer to use. The 6 point is really limiting and annoying. I like the Proto Professional satin finish 12xx’s nearly as well as the OEX’s. Can’t think why I didn’t use the full polish Proto 500, just didn’t open that drawer of the box, I guess. Just in the habit of using the satin finish ones, unless I’m working on oily things, where I go for the full polish instead. Used my ratcheting wrenches a few times, really getting to like the JSCV USA made Proto’s. Work nice, feel good, fit into spaces well. But, I like using the solid combo’s better except where the ratcheting is needed for speed. The ratcheting wrenches really work well to drive the bolster on Snap-on screwdrivers, though. The offset angle is perfect for that use.

I surprised myself on ratchets. After using several, I fell back to using my 1980’s plastic handle F726. The old 20 tooth ratchet felt much better to me than my new F80’s. I tried several of the F80’s (straight, bent, flex, chrome and soft handle), and a bent flex Cornwell, but definitely preferred the old F726. I may put a 30 tooth rebuild kit in it, as it’s getting worn to the slightly sloppy point. I used ¼” drive a few times, it was the midget M70 Snap-on ratchet there. I also used the 3/8 in ¼” body 936 conversion. It worked, but wasn’t preferred.

Sockets, I predominately used my Proto 3/8” drive deep, although I got into the ¼” drive Snap-on a few times. I like using deep sockets to move my hands away from the work, without an added extension. The smooth chrome and profile just feel good and work well. Where I used an extension, I preferred my snap-on ones. I grabbed one of the wobble ones by mistake once, and immediately went and got a regular one.

I used my SO Talon needle nose a bunch. Along with Proto mini channel lock type ignition pliers. My favorite two pliers. Also used Klein rebar tying style linesman type pliers. The curved pinky holding end of the grips is great for making them easier to use in pulling and twisting things. Just right design there.

I had to use a Snap On angle wrench to turn a bolt in an awkward location without room for a box end. Life saver; couldn’t have done it without the angle wrench.

For a change, didn’t use a ratcheting screwdriver much. Used the fixed blade, square hard handle SO, mostly in smaller sizes. The quality blades and the fit made them a pleasure to use, along with perfect size/weight balance. Those are just a nice design, and well executed. I was mostly doing small electrical work with them, and the size is much better for this than the ratcheting one I use for heavier work.

Really enjoyed overall having quality, excellent performing tools that I like. Much better than the days when I used what I had, and just hoped I had something that worked and was "good enough".
 
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I think nostalgia has a lot to do with my favorite tools. The Kobalt set I grew up with is my favorite to grab when appropriate, because it reminds me of when I was young and tearing into my daily driver with no idea if it would go back together or not, and no concern about the matter. I was a lot more brave in my younger years, and it's a time I remember fondly.

That ratchet is an instant trip into the past that I enjoy on the regular.
 

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Funny that you started this thread as I've been considering starting one too. Reason is because I absolutely enjoy using my HF Pittsburgh Pro screwdrivers, the ones I picked up for $8. They are awesome and I feel like a bandit every time I use them thinking I should had payed at least triple for them.

I work in an auto shop and I have a mixture of screwdrivers - SO, Craftsman, Irwin - and now these ones. And I enjoy using the HF ones over the rest. Seriously, every single time I use one I think about how much money they cost and how great they are. They make the task that much better.
 

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I really look forward to using my little Vaughn trim hammer. It's well balanced, nice fit and finish, and it means I'm at the final trim stages of the project. :thumbup:

Also really like the fit and finish of my new Tekton ratchets.
 

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I, like many of you, enjoy using my tools. I’ve noticed that I use my Snap On stuff first - it’s a joy to use but it also needs to earn its keep. I paid a good amount for those tools so I use them they way they were intended. Unless it’s pliers - then I reach for the red/black Facom. Those feel great in my hand and keep fatigue at a minimum.
 

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Great thread!

I’m mixed on wether to use my Grampa’s tools or not when it comes to working in my cars I inherited from him. On the one hand, they’re my favorite, and what was used to work on these vehicles back in the day, and on the other hand, if I were to break them or lose them, they’re irreplaceable....

They’re only Craftsman, but they’re -v- series from back in the day.


For my daily driver work, I use what I have.

I will say this though. I bought a used Mac half moon wrench for the top bolt of the starter on my 72, but instead used it on a turbo/wastegate repair on a 96 GMC diesel 6.5.... in that moment I needed something like it, and remembered I had it, it became my favorite tool! Haha
 

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You're talking a complete foreign language to most guys on this board. Most guys on this board have never laid eyes on anything from Snap-on or Proto; let alone Cornwell. All they know is Tekton, GearWrench, and Harbor Freight. One guy even made a thread about AutoZone replacing Taiwan made Duralast with Chinese made Duralast. That thread is up to 4 pages and 70 posts! I'm left thinking to myself, who gives a flying frick about Duralast? But apparently, Duralast is major news on this board. I'll admit, I get awfully bored with most of the tool discussions on this board, but I keep quiet about it out of sheer politeness. :)
 

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Great thread! Really enjoyed it.Like you I have spent my money on Snapon,Proto and SK.It really is a hard to describe feeling when you have good tools and complete a project.But its the way I thoroughly enjoy my shop time,tools and sounds like you do to.Your thread may help change the way some view quality tools and why we buy them.
 

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You're talking a complete foreign language to most guys on this board. Most guys on this board have never laid eyes on anything from Snap-on or Proto; let alone Cornwell. All they know is Tekton, GearWrench, and Harbor Freight. One guy even made a thread about AutoZone replacing Taiwan made Duralast with Chinese made Duralast. That thread is up to 4 pages and 70 posts! I'm left thinking to myself, who gives a flying frick about Duralast? But apparently, Duralast is major news on this board. I'll admit, I get awfully bored with most of the tool discussions on this board, but I keep quiet about it out of sheer politeness. :)

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Funny that you started this thread as I've been considering starting one too. Reason is because I absolutely enjoy using my HF Pittsburgh Pro screwdrivers, the ones I picked up for $8. They are awesome and I feel like a bandit every time I use them thinking I should had payed at least triple for them.

I work in an auto shop and I have a mixture of screwdrivers - SO, Craftsman, Irwin - and now these ones. And I enjoy using the HF ones over the rest. Seriously, every single time I use one I think about how much money they cost and how great they are. They make the task that much better.

I bought 3 sets, one for a box at each place of employment and 1 to have at home. Those things are a steal and have held up as good as sets costing 4 times as much money.
 
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I have several favorite ratchets that I enjoy using, some from Cornwell, a few from snap on, one old Mac (would like to try a newer Mac model),one or two from Wright and one from benchtop of all things. I have a nice breaker bar from HF, and I would like one day to try out some of the Wright wrenches.

I like my sk wrenches but I never cared for some of their ratchets because the knurled grip hurts my hands sometimes.

Nothing wrong with some of the Asian tools and I do enjoy some of the Napa branded tools now and then.

I enjoy using some of the klein screwdrivers.

The Williams sockets are very nice.
 
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You're talking a complete foreign language to most guys on this board. Most guys on this board have never laid eyes on anything from Snap-on or Proto; let alone Cornwell. All they know is Tekton, GearWrench, and Harbor Freight. One guy even made a thread about AutoZone replacing Taiwan made Duralast with Chinese made Duralast. That thread is up to 4 pages and 70 posts! I'm left thinking to myself, who gives a flying frick about Duralast? But apparently, Duralast is major news on this board. I'll admit, I get awfully bored with most of the tool discussions on this board, but I keep quiet about it out of sheer politeness. :)
Lol so correct. Growing up in my dads auto shop and as a young man Ioved my dads snap on tools. There was a definite difference. I have always bought quality what a pleasure to use... I own a large storage facility ( among many other things) and end up with a fair amount of tools when having to clean out units that don't go to auction for various reasons. All cheap **** and I mean all straight in the trash can. I can't tell you how much I have thrown away. Its not worth anything including the time to give the **** away. Cheers.

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Matco 72 tooth polished mini 1/4 in ratchet, Matco locking extension and Snap On semi deep flank drive 10mm socket. You can take half of a Japanese or Korean car apart with this. Oh, and it just feels right. :)


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You're talking a complete foreign language to most guys on this board. Most guys on this board have never laid eyes on anything from Snap-on or Proto; let alone Cornwell. All they know is Tekton, GearWrench, and Harbor Freight. One guy even made a thread about AutoZone replacing Taiwan made Duralast with Chinese made Duralast. That thread is up to 4 pages and 70 posts! I'm left thinking to myself, who gives a flying frick about Duralast? But apparently, Duralast is major news on this board. I'll admit, I get awfully bored with most of the tool discussions on this board, but I keep quiet about it out of sheer politeness. :)

They want validation of the cheap tools used.
I think the quality of the discussion has tanked as most of the rational interesting posters have moved on. Some of those that have not moved on are posting less and often no longer in areas that they have experience.
So the information your getting now is only a portion of the pie, probably not the best slices.....
 
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Okay, I have a confession to make. I'm pretty much done with Craftsman. I've owned a lot over the years, but in the past 5 years I have weeded out almost every piece I own. But, I just used a Craftsman tool I really like!

I needed to grind something, and didn't have any other grinder set up to use, so I grabbed a Craftsman grinder that was sitting on the floor in my get rid of pile. Tapped the stones to make sure they were sound, plugged it in, and held on to it as i turned on the switch. To my surprise, it ran smooth, quiet and vibration free. I have one of these set up with a wire wheel and buffer wheel and no guards or rests, and it vibrates so much that I have to clamp it down to the table with a big C clamp.

I ground some steel angle iron, and it did a great job. Good enough I think I'll keep it for awhile. When I moved, I had sold all but a small delta grinder that I keep on my workbench to sharpen lathe bits. My intent was to buy back a good, high horsepower, commercial Baldor grinder. I just might get by with this one. It was a real pleasure to use.
 

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They want validation of the cheap tools used.

No more so than the tooltruck fanboys who want validation of their (overpriced?) tools used.

Not everyone on the GJ is a professional mechanic working in a peer-pressure dealership environment. Tool purchases are usually function over form due to budget and frequency of use. If they all had to chase a tool truck to buy a screwdriver , many wouldn't even be here.

I enjoy seeing the projects, tool restorations. garages and workbenches of the folks using their dad's old Craftsman, Ryobi, or even (shudder) HF tools more than listening to the condescending ramblings of the effete ratchet-sniffers.

We need to welcome as many DIYers as possible to the GJ, not treat them like Flounder, Pinto, Stanley and Jugdish at Omega House....
YMMV
 

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Along with quite a few other tools I inherited, I have a couple of my Dad's original US-made Crescent wrenches, and they're a pleasure to use for a few different reasons.

For one, the instant you pick them up and put them to work, you can tell the quality is far beyond the shameful, dangerous Chinese **** that now bears the brand name.

And of course, I really enjoy seeing the little "RW" monogram Dad engraved on most of his tools, remembering him for a moment, and thinking about all the different problems he solved with the same tools. Every nick and trace of pipe sealer has a little story to tell.

I also have a very high quality drum brake spring tool that Dad and I "stole" from each other several times after I turned 16 (my first car had drum brakes all around). I never have figured out what brand it is, but I tried buying a few of my own and never could find one that worked as well. It's sort of fun to remember how irritated he got when his brake tool went missing again...
 

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Good tools are good BECAUSE they are a pleasure to work with! They feel right in hand, they're less likely to break at the worst possible moment, and they instill confidence in the user. These quickly become favorites, regardless of the brand name. That said, once you've found a series of tools that work for YOU, you tend to stick with them. The "fanboys" have found a formula that works for them. I have access to Snap-on (and will budget for it when I can), because it works for me. I no longer wrench for a living, but I still place significant value on owning quality tools, so I buy what I like. If somebody finds value in a HF tool that I would pass up in favor of another brand that I like better, then that works for them.
Dewalt 20V works for me, but I went Milwaukee M12 on a 1/4" ratchet because I liked it (and DW didn't offer one).
I have a favorite set of DBE ratcheting wrenches that aren't S-O, but they haven't let me down, so I continue to reach for them.
I reach for my S-O hard handle ratchets and screwdrivers because I haven't found more comfortable (to me) in 20+ years.
It's about what works for YOU!
 

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Love the thread, Dave!
For work, it's EASYDRIVER ratcheting ball drivers and magnetic sockets for me. Plus the old Gearwrench ratcheting box/open end wrenches. (Freaked out a co-worker last week undoing panel screws with the EASYDRIVER when he's using a lithium-ion cordless drill)!
Bonney flare wrenches, S-K ratchets, and old Proto yellow handle screwdrivers have been my goto's for some years now, and a combination of old and new pliers (Knipex and JP Danielson) wraps up the basic hand tools.

I keep finding old vintage tools that just fit the hand and work better than many modern tools, though I don't discard newer tools entirely. More than once I'll make or mod a tool into something I can't just go out and buy.

In the shop it's a hodge-podge of different tools that are currently "in the rotation" to see which ones win out and then the others will get gifted away or sold. As has been said it's finding what works for you, and the "right" tool will eventually make itself known as you'll reach for it more and more without even thinking about it.
 
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I have a Blue Point 6" scale in 10ths and 50ths on one side and a fraction/decimal chart on the other side by 64ths, my dad gave me that.

However I love these satin chrome Starretts. And this is my favorite configuration I've found for a pocket rule. It is rigid, I know most prefer flexible but I reach for it first. C606R. One side 50ths of an inch (.02"), opposite 10ths (.10"). Kind of unusual but I have the same rule in 12" in my work box. That 12" scale was $48 new from msc in around 2006, I think my first expensive tool purchase.

This 6" was $5 at a flea market with the plastic sleeve (not pictured). It had the light grind mark (not so visible due to flash) on front side but otherwise looked new/unused.
 

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It's hard to explain but I think this thread has already done a better job than I could.

When I need to get something done in a hurry just about any tool will be fine. But if I'm going to proactively start a project that will ultimately save me money it's going to need some tools I like involved. That's all the justification I need to splurge a little :D

My latest favorite tools is the 17-piece set of Williams black handles. I actually torqued off a Phillips head screw the other day, with great power comes great responsibility lol.
 

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My favorite tool is my oxy propane set. Its never lets me down and never fails to make me feel better. Chances are if its coming out, im not in a great mood and it becomes almost therapeutic lol.
 

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Great thread.

I find that using good tools that feel right in the hand make an annoying job more tolerable. A couple weeks ago, I had to replace the steering intermediate shaft on my Dakota. PITA job, but I got to use my new Stahlwille deep offset DBE on it. Nice wrenches.

And SK round-head ratchets.
Tools that just feel right in the hand are an absolute pleasure.
 

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I find that some tools are "good" even if they are cheap. My iGaging absolute caliper feels just as good as my Mitutoyo but costs 1/3rd as much. In terms of tools I really like to use, I think my electronics stuff is high on the list. I really enjoy using my Agilent oscilloscope. It's a CRT model but it just works really well. My roto wratchets are very cheap but I still think they are great in use. Kind of ironic since in general I don't like round head ratchets. My Fluke 187 is gratifying to use. I also have a set of tweezers that I like... yes, tweezers, ASSI JFL-P3. I've used them for building some cable operated instruments but their proper purpose is holding small blood vessels during vascular surgery. I think they cost around $250 new.

Still, I have to say my enjoyment of the tools is less about which tool and more about the job. I find just about any drill/driver satisfying if I'm enjoying the deck I'm building. If I'm fighting with a home project then no tool is going to make me happy.
 

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Some 35+ years ago I was working on a project at home that required cutting up a lot of angle iron. I started off using a hacksaw but that was extremely labor intensive. Then one day I watched one of the mechanics at work cutting some metal with a Portaband saw and I knew that was what I needed. That type of tool wasn't commonly available in those days so I got him to order me one from his supplier.

That thing was somewhere around $300 at that time which was pretty expensive when I was making probably $5/hour, but it's more than earned it's keep over the years.

It's a Porter Cable extra heavy duty portaband saw and as soon as you pick it up you know you have a real tool in your hands. It's pretty heavy but the quality of it's construction is easy to see. It's just a pleasure to use.
 
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