Above 1200 Sq/FT The Salvage Garage

[86turbodsl]

Pics or it didn't happen...

 

[Strouty]

I will post pics when it is on the truck. Looks like I am going to get the press first thing in the morning. Then probably get the blast cabinet after that. Assuming the ramp truck runs.

 

[casmurbax]

This morning I bought another sandblasting cabinet, I am not sure if it works, the previous owner made a mess of things, but I think it will ultimately be salvageable. I am picking that up tomorrow, not going to do any work on it though, just going to use it to take up floor space so I can be mad about it later.

finally being honest about things

Part of me wants to learn how you come across these things., my wallet not so much.

 

[Strouty]

I am not paying much for either piece, the press is a drive, so I will have time, fuel, and tolls involved, but the price is right. The sandblast cabinet is very local, essentially on the way to the Salvage Garage from the Hill.

 

[shakenfake]

What is the benefit of having another one?

 

[Plastikosmd]

I’m not sure that question needs an answer

 

[Strouty]

i wrote out a big long response and none of it made sense, so my new answer is “because”.

Honestly I went to look at it thinking it was a pressure style cabinet, ended up being a recycling style that only uses 5 pounds of media at a time. The guy had it all hooked up wrong so it was making a mess and he didn’t know why, but after looking at it everything made sense. I figured I would give it a try and if it works, awesome, if it doesn’t then I can regroup and move forward. The benefit of this type of unit is that if you want to change media type it is quick and easy to do so, the baghouse that it has can be converted to a filter system without a lot of effort. I didn’t pay enough for it to get all freaked out, I think it will be worth the effort in the end. Had it been hours away, I wouldn’t have even been interested, but it was cheaper than what I paid for the foot pedal and nozzle that I used to try and upgrade the original unit. Besides all that, I needed another couple projects anyways.

 

[Seagoon]

i wrote out a big long response and none of it made sense, so my new answer is “because”.

Honestly I went to look at it thinking it was a pressure style cabinet, ended up being a recycling style that only uses 5 pounds of media at a time. The guy had it all hooked up wrong so it was making a mess and he didn’t know why, but after looking at it everything made sense. I figured I would give it a try and if it works, awesome, if it doesn’t then I can regroup and move forward. The benefit of this type of unit is that if you want to change media type it is quick and easy to do so, the baghouse that it has can be converted to a filter system without a lot of effort. I didn’t pay enough for it to get all freaked out, I think it will be worth the effort in the end. Had it been hours away, I wouldn’t have even been interested, but it was cheaper than what I paid for the foot pedal and nozzle that I used to try and upgrade the original unit. Besides all that, I needed another couple projects anyways.

I'm impressed! You managed to type that last sentence with a straight face

 

[Strouty]

Nope, I was trying not to laugh or cry...

 

[rmack898]

Isn’t more better?

 

[Strouty]

I will let you know next week...

 

[Strouty]

Apparently it is going to rain tomorrow, so everything has been rescheduled for Thursday. I figured I could post a couple pics of things to tide everyone over.

 

[Strouty]

Next thing I have been contemplating is building some trailers, I am trying to decide if it makes sense to build any that are pintle hitch style versus just making them all fifth wheel/gooseneck type. Might make sense to have one decent pintle hitch trailer, just in case I have a non fifth wheel truck. At this point the only reason I could see Perk needing to use the pintle hitch would be hauling someone else's trailer. Pintle won't maneuver as well, but they are easier to hook up/disconnect in an off road situation. I have three nice air brake axles and a couple rugged trailer frames to work with. I had originally planned to build a "small" (relative to Perk) dump trailer, then I have the long tilt that I want to shorten up, would also like a smaller "grocery getter" trailer. I need to figure out what the weight ratings are for the axles and start a list. I have the dump hoist and body already, it will need a new floor, this is going to be a wood flatbed with sides type of dump trailer versus an actual dump trailer, no plan to use it for sand/stone, would be more for scrap and trash than anything. In Maine trailers are super cheap to register and insure, so having trailers to replace trucks is a good way to deal with expenses.

Long term goal is to build or buy a hook lift truck like my brother has, except higher capacity, something to get used with OMO (the big fire truck). Sorry to diverge from regular programming, I was just thinking about things.

 

[Strouty]

Probably have to do a hook lift trailer judging by the PITA of combining the two types of equipment. A gooseneck would be relatively easy to setup with a hook lift truck, but those are not rated much over 26k and that would be a problem for the bigger stuff. I have too many things in my head!!!!!

 

[bimmer1980]

The press isn't as obnoxious looking as I might have imagined... I had pictured a massive metal stamping press. I would guess that press was used for breaking concrete test cylinders.... I.e. civil engineering test lab.

Regardless, I can see why that would have a tendency of finding it's way into your trailer......

Before you get too carried away with building trailers, any thoughts of working on a pay loader carcass??? ;-)

Edit- just looked at the pics closer and I can see the concrete test cylinders in the bucket. I would guess you'll have seal issues due to the concrete debris close to the hydro cylinders... Might work fine for random pressing in the shop.

Neat thing about test equipment is that it may have a slick displacement measurement system instead of just building up high pressure. This unit might not have it, but some of the civil engineering test equipment does. The SD civil lab does. Neat to break stuff there! And economical for lab time.

 

[Strouty]

I thought that I had mentioned it was used for breaking cylinders? Anyways, you are correct about the controls, it will allow for a much nicer and smoother increase in load. As for the dust, the cylinder is under everything, the entire base plate is raised, so I doubt there is much debris under it. I am still not sure of the travel or the for sure rating of the thing, hopefully I can find some more info on it, as far as breaking cylinders the guy said he has had it to 120k pounds or 60 tons, and he said that he was told it was rated at 400k pounds or 200 tons. The funny thing was that the guy I bought the sandblast cabinet off of builds giant presses for a living, I showed him what it was and he thought that it was a great start for what I was trying to do. I ended up paying $300 for the cabinet and $300 for the press, so I do not think I am going to get hurt, unless I put my foot in the press.

 

[Strouty]

As for the trailers, I think in the end I will have a dozen or so, maybe 15, not all big ones, but they will keep the need for too many trucks. My end goal is to have the Tru-Hitch used as the front of a detachable neck lowboy trailer, this will allow me to have an extendable well for the longer stuff, then a shorter trailer for the rest of the time.

Let me make a list and then I can see that it is more than 15...

Burb/pickup trailers:

Small single axle dump
Tandem axle dump
Tool/utility trailer
Deckover
tilt trailer/car hauler trailer
hydraulic drop deck trailer for loading things like small forklift and stuff using pallet jacks

Perk and bigger trailers

Small dump trailer
Muv-all trailer
Short tilt trailer
landoll type sliding axle trailer
step deck trailer
short box trailer with lift gate
Pintle smaller flatbed trailer for smaller but heavy things
larger dump trailer
Tru-Hitch detachable trailer
Pole trailer
Belly style four car hauler

Yup, that is 17

Registrations for all those would be an outrageous $408 a year.

 

[kent_323is]

For those prices on the press and the sandblaster, I can see why you bought them! If you decide they aren't a fit for your needs, you'll probably make your money and then some back when you sell. Carry on!!

I really pictured the press as being much physically larger than that when you said 200 tons. I've seen some very large presses in China at metal fabrication places, so that's what I had pictured in my mind.

 

[Strouty]

This press is fairly compact because it was made for one purpose, I would have to get some engineering help to remake it the way I would ultimately want it. The entire foot print is about 2’ by 5’ and about 6’ tall.

Also trailer update, newly thought up hook lift trailer, so 18.

 

[Plastikosmd]

I would have expected better shielding (something) at 200 tons.

Looks cool

 

[kent_323is]

When you said 200 ton press.... this is more what I was thinking of!!!

200 Ton Straight Side Press • Used Verson S2-200-60-48T Press (3299)

Verson Mechanical Press • Used 200 ton press for sale • Verson S2-200-60-48T Straight Side Press with 33" SDAU MAX. SHUT HEIGHT TO BED & BED AREA BED AREA

www.almamachinery.com

 

[Tommo3]

This press is fairly compact because it was made for one purpose, I would have to get some engineering help to remake it the way I would ultimately want it. The entire foot print is about 2’ by 5’ and about 6’ tall.

Also trailer update, newly thought up hook lift trailer, so 18.

Minimum 4 tires, bearings and brakes per trailer that's 72 little bits of misery added to your life!

 

[Strouty]

Lots of wheels for sure, but no engines or transmissions.

 

[Strouty]

I would have expected better shielding (something) at 200 tons.

Looks cool

Even the newer ones that I have seen have a pretty minimal cage around them, I suspect it is due to the fact that they are not just jamming 200 tons into the concrete all at once, it is a slower ramped up process and the concrete tends to fail in a more controlled manner. It will be interesting to see how adjustable the force and speed is, but if it truly is a 200 ton setup, this fine control will be very welcomed.

When you said 200 ton press.... this is more what I was thinking of!!!

200 Ton Straight Side Press • Used Verson S2-200-60-48T Press (3299)

Verson Mechanical Press • Used 200 ton press for sale • Verson S2-200-60-48T Straight Side Press with 33" SDAU MAX. SHUT HEIGHT TO BED & BED AREA BED AREA

www.almamachinery.com

That unit has a huge table, it could be a fun toy, but not at $75k.

 

[Strouty]

Also, don't want to look like I am ignoring this, yes one of the front end loaders is a priority for sure. I have to work through things in stages, right now I would like to get the BFF operational as it will help with the biggest overall goal of cleaning the Salvage Garage's yard up. As always too many priorities makes none of them important...

 

[a_thiel24]

Still preparing for the spring auction?

 

[Strouty]

Definitely, I was making a mental list of things that need to go. I am going to start to corral things so they are in one area.

I am still working on office stuff, have to get Dad's taxes done before he leaves for his month's long vacation in April. Last week got kind of screwy as I had four leases to review and get things squared away with tenants, I think that has essentially settled. I need to meet with Dad this afternoon to go over what he needs to gather up for the accountant on his personal end.

 

[Strouty]

The rest of the parts for the 3500 are to be delivered today, might try and do some work on that tonight. I really need to replace the brake lines, they are almost scary. On a good note, the calipers look like they are fairly new, so I will just replace the pads, on a bad note, I have to find some cores for the other new ones that I bought. Keeping them in stock isn't an issue as they fit almost all the Burbs too.

 

[Strouty]

I was going through some bills and the last heating oil delivery that we got for my Dad's house was more than a $1 over the cheapest price and 75 cents more than the most expensive place. They are having a manager call me to discuss, but I am going to stop this ****, last time they filled the tank I was pissed because they were 45 cents higher than everyone else I could find. I am pretty sure we are just going to have to swap providers, but a lot of them don't do auto delivery and Dad is notorious for not paying attention to the tank and running it empty. I still can't believe that they would have the nerve to charge that much above the going rates, the rep tried to tell me it was because they are a "full service" company and didn't just have one truck and a driver, she didn't like it when I said that the other drivers also drive to the house and put the heating oil into the tank just like their "full service". If they made us pump it out and fill the tank, that would be a different story.

 

[Monza Harry]

That auctons 200 ton has a movable platten that resembles the 1300 ton I used to use at one place I used to work at [ mould making only used maybe 300 tons the moulding division used most of the rest], but the one in this threads pic's has 2 shafts protrusion the upper plate. Is that 1 a "punch press"? [Maybe not I see a Cain drive between the two probably just the safety catch(?)]

 

[Atlascycle]

Front Shaft is a Resolver to tell the control where the press is in the stroke.

 

[Strouty]

I think that press would sink the Salvage Garage, it looks really heavy.

 

[Strouty]

Hopefully I can get things picked up tomorrow, everyone is freaking out saying it is going to be ice and more ice tomorrow morning. Right now it is 50 and rain with lots of wind and it is supposed to be windy all night, hopefully it will dry before it gets too cold, they say teens by morning. Got to love Mother Nature, she is always trying to keep us on our toes.

 

[Strouty]

Going to head home, I got a bunch of little things picked up at the Hill, tons more to do, but every bit helps. I have help again on Sunday, so I would like to get things a bit more organized than the current mess. Need to setup a trailer brake controller for the 3500, I am going to need to haul some scrap and trash in the next couple weeks, luckily I have all the parts to do that. The rest of my front end parts showed up, tie rod ends were China , front hub assembly was USA with Japanese bearings.

 

[Strouty]

I am beginning to think that the weather guessers are now the new “breaking news” types, they keep freaking everyone out about total non events, roads are totally dry around here, also ten degrees warmer than they said it would be. My GF works for a municipality and she thinks that they are going to have a delayed start today due to the “wind storm”.

 

[86turbodsl]

Well if it's the one we just had move thru, it went from 75F to 20F in less than a day. It's 23F outside right now. And windy. We had a tornado and hail 5 miles from my house.

 

[68400BIRD]

Sounds like the same weather we had over here.

 

[Strouty]

We weren’t quite as extreme, 50 to 25 with wind.

Hydraulic press was not as described, guy didn’t know what he was talking about. I bought it, but for $100, felt dumb to drive four hours and not get something.

I will do a bit of messing around with it, but looks like there are a few parts worth saving, then the rest can go away.

 

[kent_323is]

We weren’t quite as extreme, 50 to 25 with wind.

Hydraulic press was not as described, guy didn’t know what he was talking about. I bought it, but for $100, felt dumb to drive four hours and not get something.

I will do a bit of messing around with it, but looks like there are a few parts worth saving, then the rest can go away.

What parts of it are usable? Curious to hear more about it.

 

[Strouty]

Seller told me it was power up and power down, it is gravity down, when I saw that, I was about to leave it behind. So now I have $250 into it plus four hours, gotta use something off it, right??

The valves and the transducer setup should be usable, the pump works, then there is the steel, not going to deny that it wasn’t worth the drive, just trying to make something out of it. On a good note, ramp truck is loving the exercise.