Wreckster23
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I see a couple hundred dollars in boxes, which I would definitely be dipping into with some of my current projects. Not a bad idea really, they look like they work great, if you need a box there it is.
Above 1200 Sq/FT The Salvage Garage
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
The reason I did this is because the 2 axis one should sell on eBay and it should pay for the both the Matsuura and the new 3 axis Bridgeport. The ez-trak units have a cult following and people pay good money for them. As old as they are, there is a company that bought the rights to them and they still offer most all the parts, service, and tech support for them. As far as keeping the 2 axis and using it at the Hill, it would be nice, but I don’t think I can justify the money to do that. Up at the Hill a drill press would be more than fine.
bimmer1980
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Get the 2-axis mill listed... maybe it will sell before you bring the 3-axis mill home.......
Is this three axis machine fully operational?
Is this three axis machine fully operational?
Unfortunately the 2 axis needs some repairs and I need to find out from EMI (the company that owns the machine rights) what parts are interchangeable from the 2 to 3 axis machines. The 2 axis needs a new motherboard, I am hoping that I can put the 3 axis motherboard into the 2 axis unit. I bought an updated motherboard and an updated hard drive to use, if I can use both things in the 3 axis, it will be a $1200 upgrade for just a little effort.
As for functionality, the 3 axis is fully functional right now. I figure it may cost me an hour if tech support and an afternoon dealing with the software and hardware, but I would prefer to have the upgrades without paying twice. It may be that I can’t swap things from one to the other, if that is the case then I will start putting the new parts in the 2 axis machine.
As for functionality, the 3 axis is fully functional right now. I figure it may cost me an hour if tech support and an afternoon dealing with the software and hardware, but I would prefer to have the upgrades without paying twice. It may be that I can’t swap things from one to the other, if that is the case then I will start putting the new parts in the 2 axis machine.
The one thing that is going to mess me up is that the 3 axis has a different spindle, it uses a 30 NMTB setup instead of the R8 that the 2 axis (and just about every other BP out there), this means I am going to lose a significant amount of tooling and I am scared about that. On a good note, the 2 axis will sell without any tooling and I have a pretty valuable collection of R8 adapters and tooling. I am doing research on the 30 NMTB stuff, looks like Shars makes most of the Jacobs tapers, then there are plenty of collet adapters and other tool holders. I also need to decide if I am going to sell it all or save some stuff that is hard to find, this way if I ever buy another regular Bridgeport I won’t have to go looking for stuff.
So that everyone understands, while the Bridgeport is a CNC, it is also still a full manual mill, the only thing that will need to be done on the 3 axis is that the quill has to be manually disconnected from the drive before it is manual, the X and Y just use the hand wheels without any change. The computer acts as a DRO in manual mode.
So that everyone understands, while the Bridgeport is a CNC, it is also still a full manual mill, the only thing that will need to be done on the 3 axis is that the quill has to be manually disconnected from the drive before it is manual, the X and Y just use the hand wheels without any change. The computer acts as a DRO in manual mode.
kent_323is
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Why would you take any parts off of the 3-axis to put on the 2-axis? Isn't the 3-axis a fully functioning unit? Why waste any time fixing on the 2-axis unit at all? Sure, it will bring a little bit more money, but your time is worth something as well, and you have no shortage of things to do.
List that 2-axis for sale ASAP, and while you're at it, list that CNC machining center for sale and see what offers come in. I struggle to see the value of that machine other than taking up valuable floor space, and valuable time. I have yet to see you show a single machined part that you've made, nor does it seem like you have a need for any of those.
Once you're running that 3-axis mill to make parts, and are comfortable with it, AND you have a great need for lots of machined parts that are being sold for profit, then you can think about stepping up to a full CNC Machining center.
I think the 3-axis was a good item to buy... the Matsuura not so much.
I'm not trying to be too harsh... you do a lot of cool stuff, but let's have an ounce of reality too. There's a couple of payloaders that need to be in the shop getting some repairs... I think you have all the parts for those now. You have plenty of suburban parts and projects.
You also have a firetruck chassis, knuckleboom, etc.
Those would be cool projects to work on and make progress on.... the payloaders would be helpful in the winter for moving snow, and in the summer for gravel/rock projects.
But, I know you'll just keep digging that hole even deeper....(but that payloader would make digging the hole much easier!)
Rant over.... carry on and keep posting pictures!
List that 2-axis for sale ASAP, and while you're at it, list that CNC machining center for sale and see what offers come in. I struggle to see the value of that machine other than taking up valuable floor space, and valuable time. I have yet to see you show a single machined part that you've made, nor does it seem like you have a need for any of those.
Once you're running that 3-axis mill to make parts, and are comfortable with it, AND you have a great need for lots of machined parts that are being sold for profit, then you can think about stepping up to a full CNC Machining center.
I think the 3-axis was a good item to buy... the Matsuura not so much.
I'm not trying to be too harsh... you do a lot of cool stuff, but let's have an ounce of reality too. There's a couple of payloaders that need to be in the shop getting some repairs... I think you have all the parts for those now. You have plenty of suburban parts and projects.
You also have a firetruck chassis, knuckleboom, etc.
Those would be cool projects to work on and make progress on.... the payloaders would be helpful in the winter for moving snow, and in the summer for gravel/rock projects.
But, I know you'll just keep digging that hole even deeper....(but that payloader would make digging the hole much easier!)
Rant over.... carry on and keep posting pictures!
kaymccampbell
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30 NMTB has advantages in a CNC environment, but expect to pay at least twice as much for tooling vs R8.
Don’t worry about being harsh, I am used to it, real life feels like a rasp running over my hands most of the time. The 2 axis doesn’t have any CNC capabilities right now, the computer is dead, so it is not worth selling without fixing it first. If the parts are the same to swap around, it will save me money, the upgraded motherboard allows USB files versus using a 3.5” floppy drive, it also allows you to use a compact flash card instead of the old hard drive, a bit faster and much more resilient overall. Since I already own them, it would be nice not to have to buy them again for the 3 axis. They may not be interchangeable anyways, I won’t be able to find out until tomorrow though. The idea would be to take the best parts for the 3 axis and then sell the 2 axis with the functional, but not premium parts.
The guy I bought it from was explaining that when you swap out the tooling it holds the tolerance much better so the parts would be more accurate. There is quite a bit of tooling that it comes with, the only things I think I would really need are some Jacobs adapters and a full set of collets. I would like to be able to use annular cutters too, but I haven’t found an adapter for the 30 series, just the 40 and 50 series. As I am cleaning things up I will make a list of what I have versus what I really need. It would have been awesome if the Matsuura was the same, but it is a BT30 and as far as I know, not the same.
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Plastikosmd
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I feel like we have regressed a bit!
(I’m a terrible enabler with respect to old junk but I’m rehabilitating)
(I’m a terrible enabler with respect to old junk but I’m rehabilitating)
Ah, you must be new here! This is all part of the Strouty cycle, resistance is futile. Hold on and try to enjoy the ride.
I picked up two more of the 330 gallon IBC totes, these will be dedicated for water only. I still need to get some plumbing to connect them up to my system, I may even have enough time to swing by and get those today. I have some things to move around in the Quonset hut, so I have to move the orange Baker forklift down there, this weekend is already feeling overbooked, in fact the next three days are going to be long ones.
kent_323is
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Nope, not new at all.... I've just seen the vicious loop too many times.... and this CNC machining center seems like the worst distraction possible.
I know that Strouty will do what Stroudy does.... all the distraction and turmoil that Strouty has helps me stay focused in my side business that I'm working on growing.
I am trying to get everything ready for tomorrow, going to pick up the three cabinets I bought the other day. I plan on selling the two oddball cabinets, I think I can almost get my money back by selling just those. If not, it will be close and I will have all the tools and supplies plus a Lista cabinet for dirt cheap. I am taking my Gf with me, I am not sure she is as excited as I am, probably not. 
bimmer1980
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Try to remember to make part of the trip fun for the GF.... that makes it easier for future trip.
Takes some effort and it's not as efficient, but better for long term...
Just my two cents and my personal experience with a wife that doesn't see the shop vision as well is us garagejournal junkies....
Takes some effort and it's not as efficient, but better for long term...
Just my two cents and my personal experience with a wife that doesn't see the shop vision as well is us garagejournal junkies....
Prospecter
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I'd even go so far as to say that making it fun for all is more efficient in the long run.
It took about 2.5 hours to get everything loaded into the trailer and Burb. We just finished lunch, going to go to a couple places on the way home, places the GF wants to go to. I just hope they are trailer friendly.
The non Lista cabinets were a real pain, they had to be laid down to clear beams in his garage and the dragged all over the place. In order to get them on the hand truck, you had to close the garage door, tilt the cabinet back, then open the garage door, then do the limbo on the way out.
The Lista has 13 drawers, all of those are in the back of the Blurb. I really wanted to do a sort as we unloaded the cabinets so I could toss the trash, but I was worried the guy would take offense to me throwing away some of the things he just sold me.
The non Lista cabinets were a real pain, they had to be laid down to clear beams in his garage and the dragged all over the place. In order to get them on the hand truck, you had to close the garage door, tilt the cabinet back, then open the garage door, then do the limbo on the way out.
The Lista has 13 drawers, all of those are in the back of the Blurb. I really wanted to do a sort as we unloaded the cabinets so I could toss the trash, but I was worried the guy would take offense to me throwing away some of the things he just sold me.
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Just got home, we made two stops after lunch for the GF and then went to the Salvage Garage to unload the totes with the stuff from the drawers, I am going to have to do a sort of all that. There were some good things in there and then a lot of random ****. After that we went to the Hill to leave the trailer with the cabinets. I am not yet sure if I am selling the oddball cabinets or using them in the Conex. I will figure things out next week.
Going to try and get something done today, I have help, but they are one hand down, he had a pry bar incident yesterday and his hand didn't win. I told him not to worry and take it easy, but he wanted to try. Maybe we can get things sorted over at the Salvage Garage, would be nice to be able to walk around in there.
Prospecter
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It will be nice to have the company and encouragement, if nothing else.
He was more help than expected, we got quite a bit done, I didn’t take any pictures though, will have to update in the morning.
We drilled out the lock on the blower unit for the fume extractor, it has a 25 HP motor. It sound very easily, so it may be something I can use a VFD to ramp up and run it off my rotary phase converter. The specs are 40 HP, but 15 is the maximum for one motor. If it was something like a hydraulic pack or anything where the motor starts up essentially engaged, that would be an issue, but I think it would ramp up and be fine. Hopefully I can get some info from Lincoln, might be like an air compressor, where they offer multiple horsepower versions and they just create less CFM.
To top it off, my Buddy saw the oddball cabinets and wants to buy them from me, they will be delivered and unloaded at his place later this week!
We drilled out the lock on the blower unit for the fume extractor, it has a 25 HP motor. It sound very easily, so it may be something I can use a VFD to ramp up and run it off my rotary phase converter. The specs are 40 HP, but 15 is the maximum for one motor. If it was something like a hydraulic pack or anything where the motor starts up essentially engaged, that would be an issue, but I think it would ramp up and be fine. Hopefully I can get some info from Lincoln, might be like an air compressor, where they offer multiple horsepower versions and they just create less CFM.
To top it off, my Buddy saw the oddball cabinets and wants to buy them from me, they will be delivered and unloaded at his place later this week!
I actually wanted it for sandblasting, I am going to make a covered outdoor area and I wanted to try and **** up as much as I can from the air. I plan on using some mesh fabric as doors, kind of like the tarp material from a dump trailer. This would just collect the fine particles floating up and the heavier stuff would either settle or get caught by the mesh fabric. I know this unit will separate out solids, just not sure how well it will work for this purpose, most likely have to change the filters to a different style as well. The beauty of these systems is that the dirty air doesn't got through the blower itself, so if I get the filter sized correctly, it should do what I would like.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just use a live air mask, I know they make them for welding and sand blasting. I've got one to use for painting, 100 ft hose allows placement of compressor in clean air. Of course you are tied to the hose which is a pain but unless you are going to make a living sand blasting ****? Also wouldn't the guy in the vented area still have to wear protection from the particles floating around inside the building?
I am not trying to use the collection system as PPE, this is to keep the dust cloud down. I helped my brother out when he sandblasted over at a Buddy's place and it was essentially a cloud of dust all around the enclosed area. I had parked my Burb about 300' away, behind two buildings and when I left that day there was black beauty on my hood and windshield. I have the fresh air hood and all the PPE, I am just trying to make less of a mess overall.
I just went down a rabbit hole with IBC totes and valves, so much fun! I am going to have to make some phone calls and take some measurements, but I found what I would like, just need to make sure it will fit my totes. I keep breaking off the PVC one way flapper valve, so far two in the last year, both times it was my fault, but I want to eliminate the issue completely. I found out that they make a back flow preventer IBC tote valve, this would significantly change things and with the newer more robust valve, I think I can eliminate a few more of the pieces and parts I was using to hook up my water systems.
This is where yesterday ended, much improved, far from perfect. Going to get more stuff moved around, probably do a bit of organizing in the process. I would like to sift through some of the new stuff, I can at least split it into keep and sell piles.
I need to get Clark back to the Hill, if I have enough time I will do it tonight, if not it will be later this week. Let’s shoot for tonight.
I need to get Clark back to the Hill, if I have enough time I will do it tonight, if not it will be later this week. Let’s shoot for tonight.
bulletpruf
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Wow! I see lots of floor space! Looking good!
Thanks, it felt good to not have to crawl through a bunch of **** top get inside this morning!
After today, there should be enough room to actually work inside again. I don't think I am going to have time to do it today, but the yellow bridge crane is going on top of the green Vidmar Stak-Rack, that will really make things feel better. We moved a few things around yesterday to make room to put the rails for that other rolling shelving under my welding table, that was nice, it was about 9' long and 18" wide, but only 8" tall. It isn't easy to move, so having it under the welding bench is the best place for it right now.
After today, there should be enough room to actually work inside again. I don't think I am going to have time to do it today, but the yellow bridge crane is going on top of the green Vidmar Stak-Rack, that will really make things feel better. We moved a few things around yesterday to make room to put the rails for that other rolling shelving under my welding table, that was nice, it was about 9' long and 18" wide, but only 8" tall. It isn't easy to move, so having it under the welding bench is the best place for it right now.
casmurbax
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Nice to see some floor space. Glad that you got help that pulled through and taking things off your hands.
BTW how is the office work going?
BTW how is the office work going?
jack stand
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Strouty if you have some of those ICB totes with broken valves and have no other use....
I'll come get. I make raised bed "wicking" planters out of them. I don't use the cages and just cut them in half through the valve and make a frame to elevate them to 30" or so to the dirt level.
C'mon tomato sammich!
I'll come get. I make raised bed "wicking" planters out of them. I don't use the cages and just cut them in half through the valve and make a frame to elevate them to 30" or so to the dirt level.
C'mon tomato sammich!
Today was a very successful albeit frustrating day. I am still at the Salvage Garage now, just about to grab something to eat before heading home. Another Buddy came over and helped with the Matsuura, we had a few issues where we needed some parts that I had to buy. Of course later I found the some of the same parts buried in a drawer while looking for something completely different. Oh well.
The other day I bought a used computer monitor so we could use it for the Masso G3 controller, it worked pretty well, probably find a better one, but it got us by. What I didn't think of was a keyboard and mouse, I could use the keyboard from my Mac with he USB charge cable, but no go on a mouse. We found the keyboard shortcuts, but apparently it doesn't like the Mac keyboard, so certain things did not work. In the end we got X, Y, and Z to move using the jog feature, it has some crazy ability to move very minutely, we had to adjust it to move faster. After that we set out to see about the spindle, got it functioning, it sounds great too, although we were not able to adjust the speed up or down like we should, have to do some reading on the VFD, then connect the control wires to the Masso. The umbrella tool changer is going to take some effort, but I think it is totally doable. I would love to dedicate more time to it, but I have a bunch of other things to get done, plus next week is when I have to get the new Bridgeport. I spoke with the company that I bought the motherboard from, they think that everything should interchange, but will need some images of the control panel before they know for sure. Even if it isn't totally compatible, most of what I bought will work, I may just need to add a component. I am kind of excited about all this, it is starting to look like a three dimensional world!
The other day I bought a used computer monitor so we could use it for the Masso G3 controller, it worked pretty well, probably find a better one, but it got us by. What I didn't think of was a keyboard and mouse, I could use the keyboard from my Mac with he USB charge cable, but no go on a mouse. We found the keyboard shortcuts, but apparently it doesn't like the Mac keyboard, so certain things did not work. In the end we got X, Y, and Z to move using the jog feature, it has some crazy ability to move very minutely, we had to adjust it to move faster. After that we set out to see about the spindle, got it functioning, it sounds great too, although we were not able to adjust the speed up or down like we should, have to do some reading on the VFD, then connect the control wires to the Masso. The umbrella tool changer is going to take some effort, but I think it is totally doable. I would love to dedicate more time to it, but I have a bunch of other things to get done, plus next week is when I have to get the new Bridgeport. I spoke with the company that I bought the motherboard from, they think that everything should interchange, but will need some images of the control panel before they know for sure. Even if it isn't totally compatible, most of what I bought will work, I may just need to add a component. I am kind of excited about all this, it is starting to look like a three dimensional world!
86turbodsl
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That's starting to look pretty functional! Well done!This is where yesterday ended, much improved, far from perfect. Going to get more stuff moved around, probably do a bit of organizing in the process. I would like to sift through some of the new stuff, I can at least split it into keep and sell piles.
I need to get Clark back to the Hill, if I have enough time I will do it tonight, if not it will be later this week. Let’s shoot for tonight.