Above 1200 Sq/FT The Salvage Garage

[walrus]

The 2 best days owning a boat, the day you buy it and the day you sell it

 

[Strouty]

I have owned three boats, I gave one away, I paid to get rid of one, and I made a few bucks on one, I wish I had NEVER owned a boat.

 

[jakemac]

That’s why I stick to canoes and kayaks.

 

[68400BIRD]

I think you really need to be a boat person/family. We have had two boats over
the course of 20 plus years. It took four years to get the boat to where we were happy and problems were a minimum. After that it has just been general maintenance. Love boating and would hate to ever give it up. The last boat was a 1985 24 foot Sea Ray. The current one is a 28 foot Sea Ray with a ten foot beam and two small block engines.

 

[86turbodsl]

I have owned three boats, I gave one away, I paid to get rid of one, and I made a few bucks on one, I wish I had NEVER owned a boat.

I have never owned a boat, mainly as a result of tales like this. Rich man's obsession usually.

 

[Craptain]

I have never owned a boat, mainly as a result of tales like this. Rich man's obsession usually.

I'm not rich but have owned several boats over the years. I lived aboard one for most part of 20 years. And worked on them for a lot longer.

 

[Swanny1953]

I have owned boats continuously since 1978, first a 15'9" runabout with a 115 hp Mercury (used it mainly for waterskiing up in Oregon). Have owned 2 tournament ski boats, 2 pontoons and 5 jet skis. Currently have 2005 Malibu 21' LSI inboard ski boat, 1 20' Veranda pontoon boat with a 250 hp Mercury and 2 2014 RTX 260 Sea Doos. Everything is on a lift at our lake place in E. TX, but trailered everything up until 1998. I think it's like everything else - take care of stuff, don't overly abuse it and it will last a while.

 

[86turbodsl]

We had a technician at work for a while, whos hobby was boats. He had a ~29' cigarette with twin 500-something cube BBC. He used to regale us with tales of going for a cruise on a weekend, filling up with 600 dollars of gas. And this was YEARS ago, when gas was cheap.

 

[Strouty]

Yup, no boats for me, still haven't received my marching orders for Dad's boat yet.

This morning I found out something not so cool, the great state of Maine has decided all of a sudden that ex military vehicles are not to be registered, even ones that are registered are losing their current registrations because the towns registered them in error. The last person that tried to explain why they couldn't be registered gave the reason that they don't have crumple zones or airbags.....

I have the dealer plate for now, so I can still move the Army Dump, but it may be a haul it to wherever I am going deal in the near future. A "supervisor" is going to call me and explain why I can't register my vehicle all of a sudden, I suspect they will fall back on the "we can refuse any registration" line, but I want the actual law or statute that is specific to military vehicles. This may end up being a fight to the top deal, not super happy about it either.

 

[Mr.zippy]

LOL...........crumple zone on a deuce and a half.......seriously......

 

[ttpete]

Yup, no boats for me, still haven't received my marching orders for Dad's boat yet.

This morning I found out something not so cool, the great state of Maine has decided all of a sudden that ex military vehicles are not to be registered, even ones that are registered are losing their current registrations because the towns registered them in error. The last person that tried to explain why they couldn't be registered gave the reason that they don't have crumple zones or airbags.....

I have the dealer plate for now, so I can still move the Army Dump, but it may be a haul it to wherever I am going deal in the near future. A "supervisor" is going to call me and explain why I can't register my vehicle all of a sudden, I suspect they will fall back on the "we can refuse any registration" line, but I want the actual law or statute that is specific to military vehicles. This may end up being a fight to the top deal, not super happy about it either.

Vermont has a way for non-residents to title a vehicle. Google it up.

 

[Strouty]

The problem is not a title, according to Maine, they are all "off-road vehicles" and that means that they can't be driven on the road (unless you are some sort of government entity, then they are safe). The ONLY way to get a registration is to prove that it was designed to be driven on road, only way to do that is to get a Manufacturer's Statement (or Certificate) of Origin, without that, Maine will not allow it to be registered, they are saying this applies to essentially every military vehicle ever made. I am moving up the food chain as this is totally ridiculous. Apparently this all happened over the last year and now the State Police have made it known to all inspection stations that if anyone brings in any military vehicle, it is unsafe and cannot be inspected. They are actively revoking registrations to any and all military vehicles owned by civilians. This is just craziness.

 

[bulletpruf]

The problem is not a title, according to Maine, they are all "off-road vehicles" and that means that they can't be driven on the road (unless you are some sort of government entity, then they are safe). The ONLY way to get a registration is to prove that it was designed to be driven on road, only way to do that is to get a Manufacturer's Statement (or Certificate) of Origin, without that, Maine will not allow it to be registered, they are saying this applies to essentially every military vehicle ever made. I am moving up the food chain as this is totally ridiculous. Apparently this all happened over the last year and now the State Police have made it known to all inspection stations that if anyone brings in any military vehicle, it is unsafe and cannot be inspected. They are actively revoking registrations to any and all military vehicles owned by civilians. This is just craziness.

To clarify, with Vermont, you get a registration for a vintage vehicle, not a title. Vermont doesn't issue titles for older vehicles, so your registration acts as your title.

One of my Broncos is registered in Vermont, and when they sent the registration, I believe I got a pair of license plates, too.

Not sure how this would work in Maine, but it's worth a shot.

 

[bulletpruf]

I have owned three boats, I gave one away, I paid to get rid of one, and I made a few bucks on one, I wish I had NEVER owned a boat.

I have owned one boat - a 45' Hatteras convertible with a pair of 8-71's. Bought in 1995 or so, sold in about 1999. Buying it was the dumbest thing I've ever done, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

 

[ttpete]

But if it's registered in Vermont with Vermont plates and registration, what's Maine going to do about it? All states have reciprocity with each other for motor vehicles.

There are a lot of folks who own dirt bikes and use Vermont's convenient mail-order service to register them as street-legal.

 

[Strouty]

Maine is the place to register trailers like that, so I guess I will look into the Vermont plate thing, that would be simple.

From what research I have done, Colorado has a similar law and won’t allow military vehicles to be registered either.

 

[F451]

The issue in most states with out of state registrations and/or titles is that your home state will usually have a law stating that you must transfer out of state registered/titled vehicles to your home state registration/title within x number of days or risk getting a ticket, fine, impounded, etc. If you can transfer say the Vermont registration into your home state, all good. Sounds like this route isn't an option for military vehicles in Maine though.

Some people keep the Vermont registration for years and have no issues, others get hassled by their local LEO's right away. Kind of a **** shoot.

Sorry to hear about the military vehicle bureaucratic hassle Strouty, that *****.

 

[walrus]

Yup, no boats for me, still haven't received my marching orders for Dad's boat yet.

This morning I found out something not so cool, the great state of Maine has decided all of a sudden that ex military vehicles are not to be registered, even ones that are registered are losing their current registrations because the towns registered them in error. The last person that tried to explain why they couldn't be registered gave the reason that they don't have crumple zones or airbags.....

I have the dealer plate for now, so I can still move the Army Dump, but it may be a haul it to wherever I am going deal in the near future. A "supervisor" is going to call me and explain why I can't register my vehicle all of a sudden, I suspect they will fall back on the "we can refuse any registration" line, but I want the actual law or statute that is specific to military vehicles. This may end up being a fight to the top deal, not super happy about it either.

My Mustang doesn't have air bags or crinkle zones, I'm lucky it has seat belts

 

[scooterbum46]

We get a lot of military traffic on the road in Michigan . I wonder what Maine's position on that, if its truly a safety issue. By the same reasoning, cabovers, flat nose vans and class A motorhomes might be in trouble.

 

[86turbodsl]

The problem is not a title, according to Maine, they are all "off-road vehicles" and that means that they can't be driven on the road (unless you are some sort of government entity, then they are safe). The ONLY way to get a registration is to prove that it was designed to be driven on road, only way to do that is to get a Manufacturer's Statement (or Certificate) of Origin, without that, Maine will not allow it to be registered, they are saying this applies to essentially every military vehicle ever made. I am moving up the food chain as this is totally ridiculous. Apparently this all happened over the last year and now the State Police have made it known to all inspection stations that if anyone brings in any military vehicle, it is unsafe and cannot be inspected. They are actively revoking registrations to any and all military vehicles owned by civilians. This is just craziness.

So register out of state. Get plate for that state. We've got a few guys around here doing that for cars to keep registration and insurance down since it's the highest cost state in the union.

 

[harley jim]

That's what I like about Tennessee, no vehicle inspections, If it has a title you can plate it, and no plates required on any trailer except commercial trailers.
You should see some of the **** on the roads here.
Edit, I want a pontoon boat someday, Parksville lake is 10 minutes from my house and when I retire I'm going fishing

 

[Whitey1]

Throw a slow moving sign on the back. How often do you drive it on the road?

 

[kaymccampbell]

Kiddies, more and more DMVs have been quoting a document from the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, a non-governmental organization that "represents the state, provincial, and territorial officials in the United States and Canada who administer and enforce motor vehicle laws", as law banning Kei cars and military vehicles. The states are deregistering and revoking titles under a common statute that allows a DMV commissioner to refuse to title or register anything they feel like for no reason. IIRC over half the states have already done this, and the rest are moving towards it. Since it only affects a small percentage of a percentage of the population it hasn't made the news.

 

[Strouty]

I was reading about them, they seem to have a lot of power, they deal with interlinking all driver's records between states on top of other things.

 

[xtremek]

Fed laws say that vehicles only have to meet the laws of the year the vehicle was built. So if it was built before '93ish, it isn't airbags. Crumple zones go back to the early eighties?

 

[Strouty]

Local representative is interested in this, we will see how it plays out, the State is still saying no registration because it won't meet emissions standards, they say if it is driven daily it would do harm to the environment, of course not too many of these will be driven daily. The argument they are making is like saying that you can no longer have a steak knife because it is sharp and can cut things other than steak.

 

[scooterbum46]

Kiddies, more and more DMVs have been quoting a document from the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, a non-governmental organization that "represents the state, provincial, and territorial officials in the United States and Canada who administer and enforce motor vehicle laws", as law banning Kei cars and military vehicles. The states are deregistering and revoking titles under a common statute that allows a DMV commissioner to refuse to title or register anything they feel like for no reason. IIRC over half the states have already done this, and the rest are moving towards it. Since it only affects a small percentage of a percentage of the population it hasn't made the news.

Keeping old military vehicles off the road? The militia types might read some ulterior motive by the guvmnt into that....

 

[Bob Heine]

Crumple zones go back to the early eighties?

Kirk, I think Strouty's truck has the original crumple zones -- everything it comes in contact with crumples.

 

[xtremek]

What year is the beast? Can you do the gray market style updates? A friend brought a Ferrari back from Europe about 20 years ago. He did some fuel injection updates using parts from Volkswagens and Mustangs if I remember right.

 

[jack stand]

Weren't there some of pop's other boat(s) that I've seen scattered around the hill just pretty much just waiting for a dumpster?
Never had a boat before but for some reason 'whalers have always been my favorite.

 

[Strouty]

There are at least two boats that are ready for the scrap heap, I don’t know what is going on with this new one, I guess it is ready, but I do not know when I can pick it up. Not overly thrilled about it, been working almost all day cleaning out a room at the Hill house to get a dedicated space for Sir Chuck. Almost there, hopefully it will be wrapped up tomorrow and ready for him to move into by Sunday.

 

[DennisK59]

Put a water tank in the box, add a PTO pump and it should fly, fire suppresion support for the towers when needed, or community, Pull the tank when needed for other ventures.

 

[Strouty]

According to the director, nothing will fly, if it was ex-military and doesn’t have a MSO or MCO that states it was for on road use, you can’t register it, period. Doesn’t matter if you have an out of state title or not.

As for the Vermont registration, if you are a resident of Maine, it legally has to be registered in Maine within 30 days or they can do bad things. The only way I could do it is if I had an actual Vermont residence as well, I am sure I could find an address to use, but then it turns into a liability all around. It is easier for me to just use the dealer plate for right now and play dumb if I get pulled over. Unless I am joy riding or doing something stupid, I don’t think there will be any issues, I do not think it would be good to take the turnpike though, it sounds like state troopers are more involved in this that a regular municipal police officer is.

Random picture of Chuck sleeping.

 

[jakemac]

Put a tow bar on the front and register it as a 2-axel dump trailer.

 

[walrus]

I'd bet my town office would reregister it. Maybe they know but I doubt it. Still wouldn't be able to get it inspected. I'm headed to Owls head today generally there will be some jeeps there, I'll ask owners if they know anything about new laws. Whats going to happen to parades, no jeeps on Veterans day?

 

[Strouty]

The biggest issue the State will have is that if they don’t apply this to all military vehicle uniformly, they will be breaking the law. We ran across this with permitting a tower, the town was looking at another applicant’s proposal differently than ours, lucky for the town, their attorney caught wind of what they were doing and put a stop to it. We would have sued the town and won had they kept on the same course. I am not sure yet how they are handling this, I want to get it in an email from someone that counts.

 

[walrus]

I'm wondering if its just commercial type vehicles? Like your dump truck. If you had a jeep and put an antique plate on it Or a farm plate?? for a dump truck?

 

[jack stand]

Seems like a "taking" by the state, that is the people have made investment in what was legal (for decades) at the time and as they like to say is "settled law". Is the state going to make these people whole?
Sounds like a huge class action lawsuit to me. Is there a huge accident and safety issue going on with these vehicle's, or is this just more emissions ******** by the lunatics.

 

[Strouty]

They specifically called out hummers, so it is definitely not just the big trucks, but I think they will cherry pick and that is totally illegal. If they are going to claim you need a MSO/MCO to run a military vehicle on the road legally, then it has to pertain to ALL military vehicles, PERIOD. If they want to go through the legislature and create a new law that has specific rules, then they can do that, but if they are using a generic subsection on "offroad vehicles", then they must apply the rule/law equally, otherwise it is an equal protection case. It is only a case if they do not apply it equally across the board, if they outright ban every ex military vehicle, then there is no case, it is just a ****** law. Maine may have lefty blue in a lot of places, but there are plenty of people that will be pretty pissed off about this and it doesn't take many squeaky wheels to get politicians motivated.

Walrus, I contacted Owl's Head about this on Thursday, they were not aware of this new interpretation of the old law.

 

[Strouty]

This morning I removed a window so I could put the AC in for Sir Chuck, I am about to head back up there with his Majesty, then we get to really test things out.