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...Nice it has a dust port!...

If I'm going to complain about anything with the saw, its that I believe the dust collection port exists to check off a box on the features list, but not to really collect dust. The side is wide open like a regular circular saw instead of enclosed like on its plunge saw competitors. On the few test cuts I've made, having the vac hooked probably makes some difference, but not enough that I'd be tempted to leave my dust mask on the shelf.

...Looks like it comes with a multi-purpose blade? I'll reserve judgement for your review, but if cutting plywood you might want to consider a nice 50-60 tooth crosscut / finish blade if you can find one that fits...

The multi-material blade will be reserved for construction cuts. I installed it so I could make some test cuts, but I'm going to pick up a good plywood blade for it when the time comes. I haven't even run it on the track yet because I want to use the plywood blade to cut the splinter strip in case there is any difference between blades.

...Looking forward to the next new tool reveal!

Thursday... the suspense is killing me! I haven't seen it in person yet, so I have no idea its condition. It was for sale near where my parents live and my Dad picked it up for me. There were only two pics on the listing and it was covered in dust, but for the price it was worth the gamble.
 
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Quick little project over the weekend I thought was worth sharing... We have mosquitoes in Iowa. A good way to keep them at bay is to use citronella torches. Because of how our deck is built, we can't really stick the torches in the ground because they'd be a safety hazard. I was not going to drill holes or make brackets that attach to the deck like Wife has been asking. We finally came up with a solution that we both like.

First thing was cutting a piece of 3/4" PVC to approximate length and capping off the end with duct tape. I made a board to keep the pipe centered in the flower pot.

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Fill with a 50lb bag of quick set post concrete (no mixing, just add water).

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Repeat five times (or however many pots you want).

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Once the concrete is set, trim the tubes to length, paint black, add soil and flowers, install torches, and have your kid smile for the camera.

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The 50lbs of concrete is overkill for the torches, but we also had the idea of using them as bases for suspending a sheet for our occasional outdoor movie nights, or if we want to replace the torches with poles and string lights around the deck. The PVC is nice because we can remove the torches and put them away for storage. Once the flowers grow up a little you won't hardly notice them in the pots.
 

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I would drill a hole in the bottom of the pot through into the center of the PVC so they don't trap water. Other than that, a great idea I may steal!
 

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That looks awesome! My wife gets bad welts from mosquitos so when we're on the patio she bundles up in a blanket, even if it's 98° and humid. Those bugs are real jerks!

I'm jealous of your back yard, I wish I had some of that space / privacy / greenery.

The deck looks nice, how's the penofin oil holding up?
 

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Brad,

Those planters are a neat idea! How is your propane fire pit holding up?


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I would drill a hole in the bottom of the pot through into the center of the PVC so they don't trap water. Other than that, a great idea I may steal!

Yep, I wish I would have thought of that before Wife filled them with soil and flowers. Luckily there was a mold injection point in the center of the container, which made for easy reference when drilling the holes.

That looks awesome! My wife gets bad welts from mosquitos so when we're on the patio she bundles up in a blanket, even if it's 98° and humid. Those bugs are real jerks!

I'm jealous of your back yard, I wish I had some of that space / privacy / greenery.

The deck looks nice, how's the penofin oil holding up?

Wife gets big welts as well. I grew up across the road from a 4000+ acre wetland reserve, so I've been bitten enough that it doesn't bother me at all.

The yard was one of the selling points of the house. Mowing takes nearly an hour, but its totally worth it.

Deck is holding up well. A few light spots where the dogs always walk, but otherwise I'm very happy with the choice. It'll look as good as new once I get a fresh coat on it here soon.

Brad,

Those planters are a neat idea! How is your propane fire pit holding up?

Ed

Thanks Ed. Fire pit is still seeing a lot of use. I never imagined we'd use it as much as we do.

Brad, I am totally stealing that idea. My wife is a mosquito magnet and she loves planting flower pots. Excellent idea sir.

Steal away! I can't take full credit. The concept was something she came up with, I just helped with execution.

Nice skeeter deterrent.

I'm just glad to have this one checked off the list. I know Wife was getting frustrated with me because I refused to implement some of her early ideas. In the end, it was worth it because we were able to come up with an effective, cost conscious, non-permanent solution.
 
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A few years ago, I went down a rabbit hole of learning about home built CNC plasma tables. One thing lead to another and I stumbled upon Frank Howarth’s YouTube channel. He did a build series on a CNC router for woodworking. The CNC plasma table never came to be (at least not yet) but Frank’s channel ignited an interest in woodworking, specifically wood turning, that I never had before.

After researching what was available, I settled on getting a bench top mini or a midi lathe. A mini lathe typically has a work piece diameter capacity of 10” or less. A midi lathe will go up to 12-15”. I would rather have a midi, but figured either would be a good starting point for me. Features like having an indexable head or a variable speed motor I considered ‘nice to have’ features that I would look for, but wouldn’t be a deal breaker. I don’t have much interest in spindle turning, but if I did ever want to go down that road, there seem to be a lot of old, small diameter lathes always popping up on the market for cheap. I do not have the room or budget for a big floor model.

For well over a year now, I’ve had a notification setup on FB Marketplace for the keyword ‘lathe’. For anyone who has tried using this feature, you know that only a small percentage of the time you get a notification for what you are actually looking for. Of those listings that are actually relevant, a good portion of those were for metal lathes (which isn’t all bad because my Dad is looking to upgrade his metal lathe). There were a few good options that popped up, but the timing never quite lined up with the finances until a few weeks ago.

I was getting ready for bed and happened to look at my phone and saw another alert for a lathe. I clicked on the link to find a Jet JML1014 mini lathe listed for $50 near where my parents live. There were only two pictures, neither of which really gave a clear picture of the condition of the lathe. It was also an older unit judging by the blue paint. Despite that, it was exactly the type of lathe I’d been looking for and it looked to be complete. I figured that even if it needed bearings and a new motor, it would still be a decent deal provided the castings were intact. I contacted the seller right away to make sure it was still available, then called my Dad asking if he could spot me $50 and pick up a wood lathe for me in the morning. By the next morning, I was the proud owner of a new-used wood lathe. Well, I should say, my Dad was the owner of a wood lathe, I was just hoping he wasn’t going to jack the price up on me (which is another set of stories for a different day).

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Since I now had a lathe, I needed to get some chisels. Trying to figure out what lathe to get was one thing, trying to pick out which tools to get was an even bigger can of worms. For starting out, I ended up deciding that I should get a basic set of decent quality HSS chisels. I didn’t want to spend too much because I’m sure I was bound to ruin a tool or two learning to sharpen them. I was really tempted to go with carbide for ease of use, but felt like that was a bit of a cheat from having to learn how to properly sharpen tools. This is a hobby after all, and the purpose is to teach myself something I didn’t know. I was considering a couple different sets when my decision was made for me while killing some time on my lunch break by wandering through the local Restore. I was looking at in the tool section when I saw a purple and yellow bag with a note that said “very sharp” taped to it. I’m not going to just ignore a bag marked “very sharp” so I peeked inside to find a bunch of HSS lathe chisels, most of them US made Craftsman. So for $35, I now had my tools sorted out.

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This past weekend, my folks came down for a visit, along with the lathe. I was very happy to find that other than some surface rust, the lathe is complete and in pretty good condition. The bearings seem good, the motor runs smooth and quiet, it’s not missing any hardware, and everything works as it should. It has been used, but I think most of the rust and dirt is from sitting unused for the last decade and I think it’ll clean up nicely. The seller also included some face plates and a few very nice gouges. He said there were a few chisels more floating around the garage and will call my Dad when/if he finds them. My Dad also gave me a few face plates that he had snagged out of a scrap bin that don’t fit his lathe.

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So for $85 and a little bit of spit-shine, I should have a pretty decent setup for learning to turn wood. Life is still crazy and I'm not getting as much QST as I would like. I have been poking away at other projects and not just acquiring tools... more to come soon!
 

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I’m not going to just ignore a bag marked “very sharp”...

HA! That sure got me going.

That lathe looks to be about the exact same size is the one I got for my son for his birthday/Christmas (can never remember which) this last go-round. I've done a fair bit of playing around with it since, and it's such a cool little tool. It's very easy to stall the motor out, and bowl gouging can be downright terrifying, but myself and both kids have had a great time with it. I haven't had any time lately, but for a while I was finding and watching a lot of amazing wood turning videos on YouTube. Those artists are a lot better at it than me...

And Texas sized ten-four on breaking a few tools. With me, it wasn't sharpening them but having one bite into the workpiece and shoot across the shop, shattering on impact with the floor.

Edit: One last thing: Holy **** does it produce dust! I'm pretty sure a wood lathe is some kind of matter creation device. It takes a chunk of wood the size of your fist and turns it into 55 gallons of dust that you'll find several states over months later!
 

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HA!

Edit: One last thing: Holy **** does it produce dust! I'm pretty sure a wood lathe is some kind of matter creation device. It takes a chunk of wood the size of your fist and turns it into 55 gallons of dust that you'll find several states over months later!

Well stop it, my allergies are bad enough as it is.
 
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I made a square thing into a round thing last night. Just messing around more than anything else.

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That looks like a you **** deal to me.
I do some walking cains when I get time, it's one of those mesmerizing hobbies...

Mesmerizing is a good description. In just the 30-45 minutes I spent messing around with it last night, watching the chips felt a lot like watching a weld puddle. I love getting locked into that flow state of focus.


...It's very easy to stall the motor out, and bowl gouging can be downright terrifying, but myself and both kids have had a great time with it...

Yeah, I started trying to work on a piece of oak. Not the best starting material. After stalling it a half dozen times I switched over to pine, which was a lot more fun.
 

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Cool man! Looks like a great setup to learn! There have been a number of times I wished I had the capability to turn something, like a drawer pull or short tapered cabinet leg. There are so many "avenues" and styles in woodworking it feels impossible to acquire and learn everything, but I'm excited now I can watch your experience with the lathe!

Frank Howarth's channel is neat. I haven't watched much of his turning videos, mostly because I felt it didn't apply to me as much, but I've enjoyed his content overall. Despite often being very thoughtful and "designed", there's often a certain creativity and whimsy to his projects that I appreciate.
 
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Soon after I purchased a router and started using it, I quickly realized how handy having a router table would be. After doing some research and considering my options, I really liked the idea of integrating the router into the table saw instead of building a dedicated, stand-alone table. SawStop does make an inline router table kit. Even with the $500 price tag, I would actually consider it a pretty decent deal when you consider what you get.

https://www.sawstop.com/table-saws/by-model/in-line-router-table

When I started looking at the SawStop router table kit, I got to thinking about how if I’m going through all the trouble, it’d be nice it would be to upgrade the stamped steel wings to cast iron and get a new laminated top as it’s seen better days as well. The next thing you know, the cost of the project starts to get closer to the $1k mark, which is a much more difficult pill to swallow. As with many of my projects, I often have to remind myself to not get caught up in scope creep and focus on the core issue. Reassessing the options, I ended up deciding to install a router plate into my existing saw. Since the laminated top is already beat up, I figured I really didn’t have much to lose.

For the insert plate, I decided to go with Kreg. There are a number of insert plates on the market priced as low as $20. The main reason for going with Kreg is that it was well reviewed where many of the less expensive ones seem to be hit or miss. I also liked the fine adjust mounting bracket system they also offer. Other reasons for choosing the Kreg were that it came pre-drilled for my router, they are made right up the road from me here in Iowa, and I figured the black and red color scheme would look right at home on the SawStop.

https://www.kregtool.com/shop/routi...redrilled-for-porter-cable-bosch/PRS4036.html

With that decision made, it was time to cut a giant hole in my table saw.

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That ended up being the easy part. When the time came to route the final shape into the table, I just couldn’t win. The first cut I started too close to the corner so the radius does not match the plate.

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Then my double sided tape worked free when cutting the top edge and I took off too much material.

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You’ll also notice that in my frustration, I pulled the masking tape I’d been using to help keep the laminate from chipping, so when the time came to lightly file the wood to fine tune the fitment of the plate, I ended up chipping the **** out of the edges.

Suffice it to say, this project did not turn out as well as I would have hoped. Luckily the gaps do not seem to affect the functionality of the table itself and a little bit of permanent marker does help to hide the chips in the laminate. Some projects are a success, some are complete failures. On this project, I ended up somewhere in the middle. It's ugly, but it works. More importantly, I learned a lot in the process.

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More updates coming soon. Thanks for stopping by!
 

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As someone just starting to use my first router table....I think you're going to love it even if you're not super happy with the aesthetics of v1 so to speak.
 

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Brad,

I fully understand your attempt to perfect the details that don't need to be perfect. If the setup is accurate for work, don't sweat the cosmetics. It'll get chipped up and ugly with work anyway. I am very jealous of your new setup as I have a crappy Ryobi table.


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Great post, Brad. I think you're going to find having a router table very useful!

Just from experience with mine, I think you're going to love using the table saw fence as the router fence. My fence slides free in two T-tracks, and while it doesn't have to be parallel to the plate for most things, it makes it MUCH harder to accurately adjust. You're nice table saw fence should make that easy.

I'm assuming laminate is tricky to deal with in any scenario, kind of like melamine.

I will tell you double-sided tape is the bane of my existence. It's a fine balance between not enough adhesion and risk of coming free, or way too much and impossible to remove the template from the workpiece after. At least that's been my experience. I did find this on Amazon but haven't tried it yet.

I know Bret has the same one -- the Kreg plate looks very nice. I've been wanting to change to their plate levelers but not sure if they are compatible with my Rockler plate. The quick change rings are awesome, too. I never swap mine out because it's too annoying to fiddle with 3 tiny screws every time.

I wouldn't sweat the looks. That's happened to me a million times and have been some of my best learning moments, despite being frustrating. My guess is after using the table for awhile you'll figure out some ways to improve it or what you need out of it. Maybe you could end up rebuilding that laminate section out of plywood or MDF and laminating it with some black Formica down the line.

I think to get the corner radiuses correct you would have need to use an oversized template, and a combination of guide bushing and bit radius that mathematically works out. Above my pay grade and probably not worth the effort. Mine has some little gaps in the corners, too. :D

Just to add to your project list, you could consider adding an auxiliary fence that slides over the top of the SawStop fence, that adds dust collection and some zero clearance pieces on the face. Those will give you a lot more options.

Great upgrade! :thumbup:
 

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Hey Brad,

I started at the beginning of your thread so I could find the details on your propane fire pit. Thinking about building my own this fall.

Anyway, remember this:

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Your garage and property have come a long way!


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I know I've been a bit of a 'post and ghost' forum user lately. Taking on this new role in the middle of the busiest year we've ever had as a company has me working more hours than I'd care to admit. Combine that with still trying to figure out the new forum format, and I just don't seem to have the time or energy to be as engaged as I'd like right now. Not making excuses, just saying it like it is. I know you guys get it - we all go through these seasons.

Enough complaining...

I do like having the router table even though I fell a little short on execution. I just used it this past weekend for a project and it made putting a chamfer on a bunch of shelf boards very easy. Speaking of this last weekend, I ended up knocking out a bunch of honey-do's and other small projects, which means my garage status is currently set to 'disaster'. I did get a space setup for the lathe which I will post about once I get the final touches in place.
 
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Great post, Brad. I think you're going to find having a router table very useful!

Just from experience with mine, I think you're going to love using the table saw fence as the router fence. My fence slides free in two T-tracks, and while it doesn't have to be parallel to the plate for most things, it makes it MUCH harder to accurately adjust. You're nice table saw fence should make that easy.

I'm assuming laminate is tricky to deal with in any scenario, kind of like melamine.

I will tell you double-sided tape is the bane of my existence. It's a fine balance between not enough adhesion and risk of coming free, or way too much and impossible to remove the template from the workpiece after. At least that's been my experience. I did find this on Amazon but haven't tried it yet.

I know Bret has the same one -- the Kreg plate looks very nice. I've been wanting to change to their plate levelers but not sure if they are compatible with my Rockler plate. The quick change rings are awesome, too. I never swap mine out because it's too annoying to fiddle with 3 tiny screws every time.

I wouldn't sweat the looks. That's happened to me a million times and have been some of my best learning moments, despite being frustrating. My guess is after using the table for awhile you'll figure out some ways to improve it or what you need out of it. Maybe you could end up rebuilding that laminate section out of plywood or MDF and laminating it with some black Formica down the line.

I think to get the corner radiuses correct you would have need to use an oversized template, and a combination of guide bushing and bit radius that mathematically works out. Above my pay grade and probably not worth the effort. Mine has some little gaps in the corners, too. :D

Just to add to your project list, you could consider adding an auxiliary fence that slides over the top of the SawStop fence, that adds dust collection and some zero clearance pieces on the face. Those will give you a lot more options.

Great upgrade! :thumbup:
I've got a roll of that tape on my 'tools' list - I'll give it a shot, can't be any worse than the garbage I've been using.

Looking at the Rockler plate, I do not think the levelers will work without drilling some additional holes, and things might get a little swiss-cheesy if you start doing that. The levelers use the mounting screw to hold the plate tight to the height adjust screws. A clever design that is super easy to setup and adjust.

Had I been paying closer attention, I would have got the corner radii correct. Kreg has a good set of instructions including what size drill bit to use and it came out really well on two of the four corners.

A fence for the router table is on the list. I've already got a set of clamps on hand, just a matter of having a project that necessitates making a fence (seems to be the only way I get any of these types of projects done).

 
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Sorry Ed, I just noticed your post. I created a thread that walks through the build of the fire pit:

Your garage and property have come a long way!
Wait until you see the house... (foreshadowing a future post)

Doing my tri-monthly check-in. Yes, I am still alive. No, I haven't installed the windows yet. but I am finally getting gutters.
 

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Sorry Ed, I just noticed your post. I created a thread that walks through the build of the fire pit:


Wait until you see the house... (foreshadowing a future post)

Doing my tri-monthly check-in. Yes, I am still alive. No, I haven't installed the windows yet. but I am finally getting gutters.

Great, another thread in which a Real Man gets twice as much done as me in one-fourth the time...

Can't wait to see it! Glad the **** Shack is still alive and kicking.
 

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Glad to hear you're alive :)

The fire pit is very cool. I'm in the same boat with wood fires, even though that's what I'd prefer. Must be 20 ft away from any structure and sadly my lot is not big enough for that. I got one of the cheap stamped sheet metal propane models on Amazon. It's been fine. But I like the design of yours a lot and cool that you made it!
 

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I just want to say this is a great thread, I ran through it in one day while I was off for COVID. It actually got me off my **** and out in the shop to finish something, but more importantly to update my build thread. Thanks for the inspiration
 

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Phew. Finally made it through this one as well. You've made a lot of progress. I like that you have a functional garage and that you use what you have and can get -- something I can aspire to!
 
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Well, I've been trying to find time to do a big update on the summer's events, but the speed of life just doesn't seem to be slowing down enough to let me do so. Instead of a single post to bring everyone up to speed, I'm just going to go through the camera roll on my phone and post mini-updates as I find time.

Perhaps the biggest event of the summer was getting the house painted. I'm not a heights guy at all, never have been. Roofing a single story structure like my garage is about the max I can handle, so hanging off a ladder 20' in the air painting the house was out of the question. I got a number of quotes and ended up hiring a local, well known company. After seeing all the work they put into the prep, I'm glad I went with them. So without further ado, here's the finished product...

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Same dark gray/black/light gray scheme as the garage from last fall. Overall, we couldn't be happier with how it turned out - it is better than what we had envisioned. As a bonus, we've received a bunch of compliments from the neighbors (and a number of random people passing by) about the new color.

One funny (well, only funny since nobody got hurt) story about the house painting - I was at home for lunch while the crew was pressure washing the house. I no more than sit down to eat when I see a bright flash out the window. My initial thought was that the kid running the pressure washer had somehow gotten electrocuted since he was working on the corner of the house where the line comes in. I look outside expecting to a body on the ground. Instead, I see my yard on fire, the pressure washer on fire, and the kid running away slapping at his face. I run out to the garage, grab my fire extinguisher, and then to the side of the house. By that time, one of the other guys on the crew had shut off the pressure washer and I hit it with the extinguisher to put out the flames. I then see a 5 gallon can of gas with flames puffing out of the nozzle is also on fire. I hit that with the extinguisher as well, and then put out the flames in the yard.

As it turns out, the kid running the pressure washer had tried to fill up the gas tank while the engine was still running. Somehow the nozzle came off while he was pouring gas into the tank, and spilled gas all over the hot exhaust and engine, creating a huge fireball (the bright flash). The kid spun away from the fire, pouring gas all over the yard before setting down the can. Other than singing most of the hair off his legs, arms, eyebrows, and half of his head, he amazingly made it out of that situation with no burns. When the crew leader came back to do some touch up work a few weeks later, he told me that as a result of this incident, all of the company vans now have big fire extinguishers and new Eagle safety gas cans. I was glad to hear that the owner of the painting company took the incident seriously.

We learned a few other interesting things about the house during the paint process. One fun thing was all the colors the house had been painted over the years. The original color was pink, which my daughter insisted was the color we should have chose instead of gray. After pink, it was light yellow, light blue/green, and then finally the tan that we bought it with. The other thing we learned is that we have redwood siding. This makes me very happy that we chose to paint instead of replace. I can't imagine how sick I would have felt had I lined up a crew to replace it only to find out I was getting rid of probably the best wood siding option you could ask for. Sure, the old wood is a little wavy in places, and there are a few rough spots here and there, but I'm glad that we kept it.

So there it is. Part one of I don't know how many updates that I'll hopefully start dropping in over the next few weeks. Thank you for your patience.
 

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The new color looks great! Definitely brings it out of the '70's. You've got a nice looking house, there, I'm a fan of split-levels. I apologize if it was covered earlier in the thread, it's hard to remember, but what's in the tuck under? Car parking?

I'm struggling to imagine it pink lol. Although I can 100% relate to your daughter's take. When we got our cedar fence a few summers ago my daughter was legit upset that it wasn't pink.

I wonder if it was pink from the get-go or if there was ever a world in which the redwood was oiled and the brick was natural. If someone covered that up with pink paint that's a cardinal sin!

The "flamethrower" story is pretty wild, glad no one got roasted!
 
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It was more than likely pink from the start. After finding out it was redwood, I asked the paint crew leader what he thought it would take to strip just the lower area around the front door and living room window to return it to wood. He actually tried to do it on his house and said it is very labor intensive and there was no way of knowing if it would even look good until you did a section. He ultimately scrapped the idea on his house and painted it. He did walk me through the process in case I wanted to try it. Maybe someday...

I haven't brought up the tuck under garage in previous posts because that is Wife's garage. The deal when we bought the house was that the detached garage was mine, the tuck under was hers. She parks her car in there and stores her garden tools and seasonal decorations, but other than the snowblower, its off limits to me and my stuff (which I'm okay with). The snowblower was a compromise on her part after watching me struggle trying to get it started one cold morning. Storing it in a climate controlled area makes it so much easier to get running.

Speaking of litter boxes, we have a new addition to the family... meet Mr. Whiskers:

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Wife and Stinker went to visit her Mom about a month ago. While they were hanging out on the back patio, Mr. Whiskers walked up to Stinker out of nowhere and wouldn't leave her side. No collar, no chip, and nobody in the neighborhood recognized him. I'm not a cat person and have resisted all attempts to get one for years now. But when your little girl asks if she can keep him, what do you do? Break her heart? I couldn't do that, so now we have a cat. I'll admit, the little guy is growing on me.
 

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That looks like a completely different house.

I hope the painting company institutes some safety briefings that include never fueling a running engine.

About 12 years ago, I left Steph at home and went to do something. When I got back one of the trees in the side yard was black about 20 feet up. The ground under it was freshly raked, I asked what happened. She had raked up all the limbs and leaves, and decided to burn them. She got a 5 gallon bucket of bad gas, poured some on the pile, then set the bucket about 10 feet away and lit the fire. IT burned for about 5 minutes, then the bucket went up in flames. She didn't put the lid back on it. She learned an important lesson.
 
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Over the last few years, I've noticed the birch tree that shades the patio and deck seemed to be losing quite a few branches and some of the bigger limbs were completely dead. I trimmed off a bunch of them last fall thinking it was just how birch trees grew. This year when only a few limbs produced leaves, I knew I had a problem. After some internet research I learned that the bronze birch borer had likely killed by beloved shade tree. I'm no arborist, so by the time I realized I had a problem, the tree was too far gone. After some of the larger limbs came down this summer, I knew I had to get the tree down before it did any real damage to the house.

Anyone who has had to pay to have a tree removed knows that it can be a bit pricey. Our market is not different. Talking to a few neighbors who have had trees removed in recent years, I figured it was going to cost me at least $1000 to hire it done, probably more. Luckily, I know a couple guys who have spent 30+ years cutting trees together... (que A-Team theme song and dramatic smoke as we walk up the driveway) my Dad and I.

After one winter paying for fuel oil in his first house, my Dad had a wood burning stove installed and has heated the house using wood ever since. Other than when we might leave for the weekend, the furnace never ran in our house growing up. I literally cannot think of a time in my life where we were not cutting trees and splitting logs. Its just something we've always done. Unlike painting the house, this was going to be a DIY job.

Cutting down the tree could not have gone any better. My Dad arrived at 9am. By 10am, the tree was safely on the ground. By 11am we had it loaded on the trailer. Dad's notch cut was about as perfect as could be - we missed the locust by a foot or two, and only had a few branches just slightly brush the garage on the way down. The big fear was that the tree might tip on to the house because of how it was leaning. To remedy this, we anchored off my locust tree and used an ATV winch to keep tension on the birch tree. As Dad was making the back cut, I ran the winch to keep the line tight. Once I saw the tree come over center and start to fall on its own, my Dad stepped away and the birch came down as gently as I've ever seen a tree land.

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Because the tree was full of bugs, Dad did not want to risk bringing anything home and killing his birch trees. We cut the straightest section of the tree up so I can make some bowl blanks for the lathe, the rest got hauled to the dump. I'd say that $30 in disposal fees and a half day's work was a pretty good deal compared to what it would have cost to bring in a service.

It wasn't all rainbows and lollipops though. As smooth as things went cutting down the tree, getting rid of the stump would prove to be a bigger headache than I expected.

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I called around/emailed a half dozen of the tree services in the area. What I figured out pretty quickly is that they are not interested in coming out to grind one stump when they aren't also getting paid to cut down the tree. Literally none of them got back to me. I can't say I blame them, its just business. I did find one guy on FB Marketplace who had a stump grinding service, he only wanted $400 to do the job. Yeah no. Time for Plan B - rent a grinder and do it myself.

I roped my neighbor into the deal because he had a few stumps in his front yard that I knew he wanted gone as well. We agreed to split the rental fee and help each other with the work. I ended up renting a grinder from Home Depot. Without going into all the details, I learned a lot about stump grinding machines over the course of the day, having to exchage the machines twice due to mechanical issues. We did get all of the stumps ground up, but it took us 12+ hours to get it done, most of the time was spent troubleshooting machines and driving back and forth between the store. I bet we spent only 4-5 hours actually grinding stumps. I have to hand it to the guys in the rental department - they were really good about swapping out machines and knocked the rental fee down quite a bit for all our trouble. My half the bill came out to $60.

Here's the spot where the stump once was (well, if you dig several inches down, its still technically there):

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The amount of wood chips was mind boggling. It filled up the 95 gallon yard waste container to the brim. I even packed the chips down as I was shoveling them in. 95 gallons is just shy of 13 cubic feet. I'm sure the collection guy wasn't too impressed with me.

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So that's the story of the birch tree. I'm going to be planting a couple more trees in the back yard this fall to take its place. The birch will eventually reappear in this thread in the form of bowl blanks on the lathe. Should make for some pretty interesting projects as there is quite a bit of spalting and bug holes in the wood. Until next time...
 

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Wow, nice work. Unfortunate to lose a tree and shade but that's awesome you were able to take care of it yourself. Wanna come do mine?

Anyone who has had to pay to have a tree removed knows that it can be a bit pricey.

I have a giant silver maple (and I mean GIANT) right next to our house. It's still healthy, but about 75 yrs old and it will have to go eventually.

This year I tested the waters and was quoted $11,000 from a commercial company, and got an FU price of $15,000 from a smaller outfit. Granted mine will involve disconnecting multiple peoples' power and a giant crane. But I was shocked. :oops:

After one winter paying for fuel oil in his first house, my Dad had a wood burning stove installed and has heated the house using wood ever since.

That is pretty cool. I assume a wood burning stove is more efficient than a fireplace? I love a wood burning fire, but have a hard time imagining it heating a whole house in MN or IA. If I ever move into a house it makes sense, I'd love to incorporate a wood burning stove.

I literally cannot think of a time in my life where we were not cutting trees and splitting logs. Its just something we've always done.

Well that explains the axes in this thread! :ROFLMAO:

Any idea what you'll plant in its place? We planted a small apple tree in our backyard this summer, a "Kinder Crisp" (related to Honey Crisp but smaller). Wouldn't ever provide the same shade as the birch but something like that might be fun for the kids and still provide some screening / privacy, just an idea!
 

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Sounds like my experience with HD rental as well. More time repairing and replacing than running the machine. I now only rent from a real rental outfit, even though it is farther, their equipment is tip top. Same price.

Paint, yard and whatnot is looking good.
 
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Wow, nice work. Unfortunate to lose a tree and shade but that's awesome you were able to take care of it yourself. Wanna come do mine?

I have a giant silver maple (and I mean GIANT) right next to our house. It's still healthy, but about 75 yrs old and it will have to go eventually.

This year I tested the waters and was quoted $11,000 from a commercial company, and got an FU price of $15,000 from a smaller outfit. Granted mine will involve disconnecting multiple peoples' power and a giant crane. But I was shocked. :oops:

Lol... that job might be beyond the scope of our abilities. If it were the locust that needed to come down, I would have had to hire a crew because it is too tall to land it in my yard safely. Given all those factors you have to deal with, I can see how that price goes up very quickly.

That is pretty cool. I assume a wood burning stove is more efficient than a fireplace? I love a wood burning fire, but have a hard time imagining it heating a whole house in MN or IA. If I ever move into a house it makes sense, I'd love to incorporate a wood burning stove.

Yes, much more efficient than a fireplace. The wood burning stove is tied into the house duct work and pumps warm air to all the rooms. It does take a fair amount of wood to keep the house warm. Depending on the winter, its not uncommon to burn 6-8 cords. On top of that, green wood needs to season, so there's usually about 10-12 cords stacked up in various stages of seasoning. I'll be at the farm next week and try to snap a pic if I remember.

Well that explains the axes in this thread! :ROFLMAO:

Interestingly enough, axes aren't really a part of our process. We use a hydraulic splitter almost exclusively. We do employ a splitting maul, sledge hammer, and wedges for knocking a side off some of the especially big logs so they fit on the splitter.

Any idea what you'll plant in its place? We planted a small apple tree in our backyard this summer, a "Kinder Crisp" (related to Honey Crisp but smaller). Wouldn't ever provide the same shade as the birch but something like that might be fun for the kids and still provide some screening / privacy, just an idea!

A maple will be one of them, and then a slower growing, long life tree (oak, elm, or maybe something else) for the other. Exact species of each are yet to be decided. I need the faster growing maple for shade right now, with the long term plan being that the slower growing oak or elm will eventually take over shade duty. I'd really love to plant a black walnut since my parents' farm has hundreds of them, but Wife is worried about the mess and the effect it might have on her flower garden due to allelopathy.

One thing is for sure, I've never been more cognizant of the the sun's path across the sky and where it hits my house than I have been over the last few months. I definitely took that birch for granted.
 
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Sounds like my experience with HD rental as well. More time repairing and replacing than running the machine. I now only rent from a real rental outfit, even though it is farther, their equipment is tip top. Same price.

Yeah, lesson learned. I almost rented a bigger unit from an equipment rental place, but my cheapness got the best of me. I won't make that mistake again.
 
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I finally made some time to make some real progress at getting my new windows installed. I had to take a few days off work to do it, but it was a good time to use up a few vacation days and I’m glad I did. A bit of a disclaimer before I start - hacking up windows and installing them sideways is not recommended. This is not advice, this is just showing what I did. Copy me at your own peril – you have been warned.

A quick refresher on the windows themselves, these were purchased from the local ReStore for $20 each. They are brand new (probably a mis-order or old stock) 24x60 vinyl construction, fixed pane windows. I only needed three for my project, but figured I’d buy all four just in case. Turns out, that was a good move as I ended up cracking a pane in one of them during the numerous shuffles around the garage over the last year.
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The windows were built to be installed vertically – with the long end going up and down and the short end being horizontal. For my garage, I wanted to install them horizontally. Looking at how they were built, and the fact that there are no moving parts, I was pretty sure I would be able to make them work despite this fact. The main thing I needed to do was to change the location of the weep vents. Turns out, a few minutes with a dremel was all it took to relocate the vents to the short side. I filled the old holes with paintable silicone caulk and cut away the excess with a razor blade. When I prime and paint them, the old holes should pretty much disappear. The pic below shows the factory hole on the left, my new hole and the weep vent moved on the right.

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Next was the task of cleaning off the north wall. I’ve actually been picking away at this here and there throughout the summer. All I really had to do was remove the wooden bolt bin and the shelves. Here’s the last pic of the north wall as it was originally built.

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Now the fun part – framing for the windows. As luck would have it, not only do the windows fit into the existing stud spacing, the studs that I needed to keep were actually in the correct locations, which was a nice surprise. I’d seen a bit of variation with the stud and truss spacing when sheeting the other walls and ceiling. Nothing crazy, less than an inch off here and there, but enough that it could have made some extra work for me if I had to move a stud. For the headers, I used douglas fir 2x8’s for the, doubled up with ½” plywood sandwiched in between. Everything else is standard framing technique. Perhaps the biggest worry was how I was going to support the structure while cutting the studs to make my modifications. I ended up finding a This Old House video on YouTube and just copied their system. It must have worked as my saw never pinched when I was cutting the studs. Apologies for the lack of ‘in progress’ pics, I was just too focused on not making a mistake when I was cutting the walls.

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After that, there wasn’t much to do other than to cut some big holes in my garage. Much to my relief, the windows fit without any issues. All the time spent measuring and making sure everything was square and level on the front end during framing made the install a breeze. After two windows, I was starting to run short on time that day. I still needed to patch in some siding from where the old window was and decided that instead of trying to rush the job, I’d just enjoy a celebratory beer while cleaning up my mess. I should be able to knock out the rest of the work this weekend and finally call the window project done.

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I cannot tell you how happy I am with how this project is turning out. Even with just the two windows in place already makes a huge difference in the space.
 
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