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Good on your for buying a top load washer, we switched two years ago. No more leaving the door open so it doesn’t smell musty.

Front load washing machines are a lot like tankless water heaters for me. I like the concept, but I've just heard too many first person accounts of issues to scare me away from purchasing them. Maybe someday they'll get all the issues taken care of, but until then, I'm going to stick with what I know works.

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damn, was reading the washer/dryer debacle and thought maybe we shared the same PO. But in my case washer and dryers have gotten fatter over the years. They had a fullsize (back in early 2000 anyways) separate stacked unit. They built it into an old pantry space.
Well they were about 24" deep, good luck finding anything stackable with that depth. So now I have to punk down like $30k for the addition that i wasnt ready for at all.

Ouch... I guess spending $20 on 2x6's to build a new frame isn't really something to complain about given your situation. Any chance of trying to track down a clean, used set? I know there are a couple places around here that deal in used appliances. Might be able to get you by for a few years before you have to take on that remodeling project.
 
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A small update on the goings on in The Shack. I am still working my way through Purge 2.0. Not really much to take pictures of, but I am making headway. For my own sanity, I had to make an effort this weekend to put things back into some bit of order. It was just getting too annoying to walk into a mess. So I carved out some good, solid hours of QST this weekend and got a lot done. I also installed a row of shelving along the west wall. My vision is to someday have cabinets to hide all these totes, but that's not happening any time soon and I was tired of tripping over them, so I put in an interim solution.

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I also hung up some of my signs to make things feel a little more like home. Again, probably temporary as I do intend on painting the walls once I figure out a color scheme.

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So there you have it. I know it's be a quiet couple of weeks, but most of my time has been spent just sorting through stuff. Over the years, I've accumulated a lot of stuff for half-baked project ideas. During the first purge, I was mostly focused on getting rid of the trash, which was pretty easy. This purge has been getting rid some actually useful stuff, which is a lot more difficult and I have to be in the right mindset to do. I keep reminding myself of the end goal - a clean and organized workspace. If this stuff is keeping me from achieving that goal, how useful is it to me? Letting go of those bananas is not as easy as I thought it was going to be, but I'm doing it.
 
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So there you have it. I know it's be a quiet couple of weeks, but most of my time has been spent just sorting through stuff. Over the years, I've accumulated a lot of stuff for half-baked project ideas. During the first purge, I was mostly focused on getting rid of the trash, which was pretty easy. This purge has been getting rid some actually useful stuff, which is a lot more difficult and I have to be in the right mindset to do. I keep reminding myself of the end goal - a clean and organized workspace. If this stuff is keeping me from achieving that goal, how useful is it to me? Letting go of those bananas is not as easy as I thought it was going to be, but I'm doing it.

Getting rid of useful stuff is tough, indeed. My criteria is "have I used this in [X] years? Will I use it in the next [Y] years?" I wish I had a set value for X and Y, but I don't.

I just went through a box of fasteners, a box that I got from my dad many years ago. As I sorted through the box, I found painted nails, the type used in hanging wood paneling. Now, I know when he bought these nails - it was 1968 or thereabouts. I would've been about 8 years old and he was finishing a room in the basement for an office. The paneling was off-white, as were the nails in my hand. Most embarrassing: I had to think for a moment if I was keeping or getting rid of these nails. Yes, I got rid of them, and I keep getting rid of stuff that might have a value to me or someone else, but I do it.

In the 3 years I've been purging there have been more than one time that I got rid of something I regret getting rid of. I just have to keep reminding myself to focus on the many things I got rid of that I will never miss.

I like your phrase "letting go of the banana." That's a powerful mental image. :beer::lol_hitti
 
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...In the 3 years I've been purging there have been more than one time that I got rid of something I regret getting rid of...

That has always been my biggest fear as well, more than likely due to growing up in a rural area without a lot of money. Over the weekend I had a bit of an epiphany related to this - the environment I grew up in is not the environment I live in.

I live in a suburb of a large city, not on a farm in the middle of nowhere. Within 5 miles of my house, there are three different big box stores and a handful of hardware and auto parts stores. I can get pretty much anywhere within the metro in 30 minutes or less. Metal, weld supplies, tools - almost anything I could ever need is within a relatively short drive of my house. With our Prime membership and expedited shipping offered by most internet retailers, I can get nearly anything shipped to my door within 2-3 days.

So then I have to ask myself, why am holding onto all this stuff for those 'just-in-case' moments when most of it could be replaced in a matter of minutes for a small amount of money? Case in point - I tossed a handful of rusty lug nuts from my Jeep. Why was I keeping them? In case I lost one? Putting a couple in the emergency tote in the back of the Jeep makes sense. Holding onto all of them on a shelf in my garage doesn't.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the biggest lesson I'm learning right now is that while holding onto a handful of lug nuts may seem trivial, holding onto handfuls of a lot of things adds up to a mess.

...I like your phrase "letting go of the banana." That's a powerful mental image.

...I actually printed this and am hanging it in my shop...

I stole that saying from sakurama's Mid-Century Moto Mecca Makeover build thread:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7030269&postcount=2533

If he is willing to let go of those motorcycles in order to achieve his dream, then I can surely find the willpower to part ways with a bunch of my junk to do the same thing.
 

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So then I have to ask myself, why am holding onto all this stuff for those 'just-in-case' moments when most of it could be replaced in a matter of minutes for a small amount of money? Case in point - I tossed a handful of rusty lug nuts from my Jeep. Why was I keeping them? In case I lost one? Putting a couple in the emergency tote in the back of the Jeep makes sense. Holding onto all of them on a shelf in my garage doesn't.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the biggest lesson I'm learning right now is that while holding onto a handful of lug nuts may seem trivial, holding onto handfuls of a lot of things adds up to a mess.
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I think being able to laugh at myself is the key. For example, I bought a car two years ago, and in the trunk was a Milwaukee M12/M18 charger. Well! I didn't have a Milwaukee tool to my name, so I put it on CL and sold it to a very grateful carpenter for $15. He was happy, I was happy, all was good.

What did I buy December, 2018? A Milwaukee battery tool kit; two batteries, a drill and a 1/4" drive impact. And a charger. Man... it sure would be nice to have two chargers... :lol_hitti

But what I focus on is the dozens of 90 gallon trash cans I've filled over the last 3 years, the multiple trips to the recyclers, the thousands of dollars I've recouped in selling my junk on CL and eBay. And the literally dozens of square feet of floor space and shelf space I have cleared. I revel in the freedom of walking out to my garage and walking right up to my toolboxes and opening the right drawer the first time and taking the right tool out.

I still have stuff to get rid of. That reminds me, I have a box of rusty 1970 Thunderbird lug nuts somewhere. I suppose I need to get rid of them. :lol_hitti
 

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[...] This purge has been getting rid some actually useful stuff, which is a lot more difficult and I have to be in the right mindset to do. I keep reminding myself of the end goal - a clean and organized workspace. If this stuff is keeping me from achieving that goal, how useful is it to me? Letting go of those bananas is not as easy as I thought it was going to be, but I'm doing it.

I have done some ******** waffling over exactly this.
 

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......So then I have to ask myself, why am holding onto all this stuff for those 'just-in-case' moments when most of it could be replaced in a matter of minutes for a small amount of money? Case in point - I tossed a handful of rusty lug nuts from my Jeep. Why was I keeping them? In case I lost one? Putting a couple in the emergency tote in the back of the Jeep makes sense. Holding onto all of them on a shelf in my garage doesn't.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the biggest lesson I'm learning right now is that while holding onto a handful of lug nuts may seem trivial, holding onto handfuls of a lot of things adds up to a mess.


I have been purging my stuff as well lately. I was looking at stuff I have had since I was 16. Cuz ya never know when I might need that widget. Yeah, it went into the trash along with a lot of other stuff. Felt good actually.


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That has always been my biggest fear as well, more than likely due to growing up in a rural area without a lot of money. Over the weekend I had a bit of an epiphany related to this - the environment I grew up in is not the environment I live in.



I live in a suburb of a large city, not on a farm in the middle of nowhere. Within 5 miles of my house, there are three different big box stores and a handful of hardware and auto parts stores. I can get pretty much anywhere within the metro in 30 minutes or less. Metal, weld supplies, tools - almost anything I could ever need is within a relatively short drive of my house. With our Prime membership and expedited shipping offered by most internet retailers, I can get nearly anything shipped to my door within 2-3 days.



So then I have to ask myself, why am holding onto all this stuff for those 'just-in-case' moments when most of it could be replaced in a matter of minutes for a small amount of money? Case in point - I tossed a handful of rusty lug nuts from my Jeep. Why was I keeping them? In case I lost one? Putting a couple in the emergency tote in the back of the Jeep makes sense. Holding onto all of them on a shelf in my garage doesn't.



I guess what I'm trying to say is that the biggest lesson I'm learning right now is that while holding onto a handful of lug nuts may seem trivial, holding onto handfuls of a lot of things adds up to a mess.











I stole that saying from sakurama's Mid-Century Moto Mecca Makeover build thread:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7030269&postcount=2533



If he is willing to let go of those motorcycles in order to achieve his dream, then I can surely find the willpower to part ways with a bunch of my junk to do the same thing.



I know. I have read that thread start to finish. I just like how you appropriated right into a piece of scrap and hung it on the wall. It was perfect!



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...I revel in the freedom of walking out to my garage and walking right up to my toolboxes and opening the right drawer the first time and taking the right tool out...

I still remember the first time I walked into my garage after my first big cleanup and did that. It made it all worth it.

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I have done some ******** waffling over exactly this.

I have been purging my stuff as well lately. I was looking at stuff I have had since I was 16. Cuz ya never know when I might need that widget. Yeah, it went into the trash along with a lot of other stuff...

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one...

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...I just like how you appropriated right into a piece of scrap and hung it on the wall. It was perfect!

Now that you point it out, that is kind of funny. Enshrining something I was going to get rid of to inspire me to get rid of more... there's something almost poetic about that in a GJ sort of way.

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Someone watches AvE...

I was wondering if anyone was going to notice that. :thumbup:
 
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Oh man, what a weekend...

I took Friday off of work because we were going to drive up to SW Minnesota for my sister in-law's wedding (Wife and Stinker were both in the wedding, so we needed to be up there for rehearsal). I woke up early thinking I was going to sip a little coffee, make a good breakfast, and go wash and gas up the van. You know, get a good start to the day. That plan blew up in my face as soon as I went down to the basement to take a shower and found we had a little flooding overnight and the floor was soaked. We've been getting a ton of rain lately and there's just nowhere for the water to go anymore. So I pulled the carpet and pad, mopped up the floor, and setup fans. I had the floors cleaned up, but water was still coming in when we left. I figured there really wasn't much more to ruin at that point, so we hit the road. We were only an hour late getting on the road despite that hiccup, but we still made it to MN in time for the rehearsal.

While Wife was doing hair and makeup for the bride, Stinker and I had a little downtime together Saturday morning. After we enjoyed a little hotel breakfast, we were on our way to one of the parks in town and stumbled on a car show. I asked if she wanted to look at cars or go to the park. She yelled "Cars!" so we pulled a u-turn and checked out the show. There were a few gems in the mix (a Studebaker limo, a pristine 1930's Willys Overland Tourer), but otherwise it was your typical small town car show. Lots of muscle, many cars with questionable "upgrades", a few classics, and a couple of odd-ball modern cars that really didn't belong but the guys who own them are buddies with the people who organize the event (like the early 2000's Impala SS with just about every chrome JC Whitney accessory stuck onto it, including fake side pipes).

The real highlight was the automobile memorabilia museum called Spomer Classics where the car show took place. I've never seen such an extensive collection of signs in person. Neither has Stinker who was blown away by all the neon...

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If you ever find yourself in Worthington, MN take the time to setup an appointment to take a tour of this place - it is definitely worth your time. https://www.spomerclassics.com/index.htm

The wedding itself was, um, interesting... You can about imagine what kind of shenanigans take place when most of the wedding party is smashed before the actual wedding takes place and there are people in the crowd who are drinking during the ceremony (it was an outdoor wedding at their acreage). We made an early exit, which was probably for the best given some of the photos and videos I saw posted on social media the next day. At least it didn't rain.

Sunday was uneventful - headed to my folks' farm and enjoyed a quiet afternoon with them. Monday we hit the road after breakfast knowing we might still have a mess on our hands in the basement. I was pretty relieved to find that the floor was dry when we got home. I tried to save the carpet in my den, but the stains aren't coming out, so it looks like new flooring in the basement will be a project in the near future. This time we're going with something a little more water tolerant - I'm leaning towards a good quality EVP right now. So to sum it up - no progress in the garage and another house project I didn't want to do just yet... a few steps forward, a few steps back... eh, what can you do besides laugh?
 
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(Reluctantly) back in the lower 48...

The last month has been a blur of attempting to finish up Purge 2.0 and prepping/packing for our trip to Alaska. I nearly completed the purge before I left, I just have a few things to wrap up this week - a tote of old paint cans to bring to hazardous waste, a couple boxes to donate to ReStore and Goodwill, and clear off some odds and ends that have accumulated on my workbench. If everything goes to plan, I should be able to cross off some milestone garage projects over the next few weeks.

On the vacation front, our trip could not have gone any better. This trip was celebrating my parents' upcoming 40th anniversary. They have always wanted to go on an Alaskan cruise with the whole family, but the logistics (and cost) of doing something like that with the whole family just wasn't realistic. Instead, we rented a house on VRBO for the week and explored the Kenai Peninsula. In hindsight, not doing the cruise was a great decision.

The house we rented in Soldotna was right on the Kenai river and was way better than we expected. There was plenty of room for everyone to spread out, a great patio/fire pit area for hanging out, and even had a bunch of toys and a great outdoor play area (trampoline, sandbox, swing set, and fort with zip line!) for Stinker. We missed the salmon run, but that was probably for the best as our main concern was relaxing and soaking up nature.

We saw all kinds of wildlife during our adventures including a half dozen moose and even a black bear with her cubs. Thankfully the moose and bear encounters occurred at a safe distance while we were in our rental van. We also saw dozens of orcas, humpback whales, sea lions, sea otters, harbor seals, puffins, and bald eagles on our Kenai Fjords boat tour. One of the staff said that it was actually one of the best tours she'd ever been on while working there - the water was especially calm, the weather was perfect, and the wildlife was plentiful and active.

Besides the spectacular scenery, the other thing I couldn't get over was how friendly/nice everyone was. The term "Iowa nice" is often used to describe how helpful/friendly people from Iowa tend to act towards others, even if they are complete strangers. Growing up and living here, you get used to it and it's often a bit of a culture shock when traveling outside the midwest at how rude or mean people can be. It was such a pleasant surprise learn that Alaskans have their own version of "Iowa nice" and it made the trip just that much more enjoyable.

Finally, the question that I know is on everyone's mind - did I meet anyone from the Discovery Channel's Alaskan "reality" shows. The answer is maybe. My family is convinced that I chatted with Bonnie Dupree while dropping off trash at one of transfer dumpsters. I saw her taking pictures of one of the recycling dumpsters and asked if there were bear claw marks on it or something. She said she was actually taking pics of the rust spots - she thought it looked neat with the faded blue paint (it was an interesting pattern). We then chatted for a bit about the grizzly that had been spotted around the lake over the last few days and how we were from Iowa on vacation. She wished us well and we parted ways. As soon as I got into the van my Dad says "Did you see the license plate? It said 'Kilcher2' on it! She looked just like Atz's wife Bonnie!" I shrugged it off at first, but my family was insistent that was her. After I looked at a few pics of her on a Google search, it could very well have been her. This was actually near Soldotna, not Homer, so who knows, maybe?

My Dad did spot Otto's boat "Constructor" in a wrecking yard in Homer and got a few pics. He also talked to Otto's nephew at a machine shop next to the Kilcher Country gift shop they have setup in town. If you haven't guessed it by now, my Dad is a big fan of that show - he's fully aware of the fact that its totally staged, but still enjoys watching it.

And since everyone likes pictures, here are a few from our trip. I apologize for the image quality, these are just a few I downloaded off Wife's social media (I haven't had time to go through any of the pics I took with the DSLR yet).

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Byron Glacier (not a pic of the glacier, looking away from it)
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I taught Stinker how to cross streams by stepping on the dry rocks while at the glacier - she got pretty good at it
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Homer Spit beach - Stinker was all about having a walking stick whenever we were out in nature
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Sounds like an awesome trip! Glad your family could get together for the experience. Alaska is in my bucket list for sure.

I picked up a bike that’s pretty similar to yours- mines a 94xl1200. Main selling points were that it ran well and didn’t need anything. After a few hundred miles, the tires started to show dry rot cracks, so I have a new set waiting to get installed.
 

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My family had a commercial fish site near Kenai river so I spent a few summers up there when I was in high school. Some years did well and made a pile of money and others just worked really hard for not much. Not exactly safe, but interesting times!
 
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Sounds like an awesome trip! Glad your family could get together for the experience. Alaska is in my bucket list for sure.

I picked up a bike that’s pretty similar to yours- mines a 94xl1200. Main selling points were that it ran well and didn’t need anything. After a few hundred miles, the tires started to show dry rot cracks, so I have a new set waiting to get installed.

The trip was truly special - I will be going back again someday.

Congrats on the new bike! Please feel free to post pics if you have any. I love all Sportsters, but I really love that early evo era, probably because that was when I was a kid and falling in love with motorcycles for the first time. IIRC, '94 is kind of a sweet spot year for classic looks with modern reliability - it should have a CV carb and belt drive, but also have the 3.1 king fuel tank, correct? IMO, that's one of the best looking factory fuel tanks HD ever made, at least in the modern era.

Also, your line about the bike not needing anything but then needing tires cracked me up. Sounds like that Peter Egan quote rings true yet again!

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My family had a commercial fish site near Kenai river so I spent a few summers up there when I was in high school. Some years did well and made a pile of money and others just worked really hard for not much. Not exactly safe, but interesting times!

That probably was very interesting. It does seem to be a bit of a hard-scratch, feast or famine type place to make a life. Whenever I travel, I always play the "could I live here" game in my head. Alaska is probably the first place I've visited where I liked everything I saw, but told myself that no, I could not live here. I could live there as a part time resident if I didn't need to earn an income, but not right now. The owner of the house we rented has it figured out - he's retired and spends his summers in Alaska and winters in northern New Mexico (or northern AZ, I can't quite remember now).
 
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The trip was truly special - I will be going back again someday.

Congrats on the new bike! Please feel free to post pics if you have any. I love all Sportsters, but I really love that early evo era, probably because that was when I was a kid and falling in love with motorcycles for the first time. IIRC, '94 is kind of a sweet spot year for classic looks with modern reliability - it should have a CV carb and belt drive, but also have the 3.1 king fuel tank, correct? IMO, that's one of the best looking factory fuel tanks HD ever made, at least in the modern era.

Also, your line about the bike not needing anything but then needing tires cracked me up. Sounds like that Peter Egan quote rings true yet again

Compared to what the rest of my heaps need, tires are nothing!

Some quick research shows that tank was used from 82-94, so it was the last year of the run.

It's been a fun little bike so far. I mostly travel on back roads where the speed limit is never over 50 and usually more like 25, so it's been perfect for where I ride.

Is yours still off the road?
 

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That's a clean bike! Good find!

Those solid mounted engines aren't the greatest for long days in the saddle, but for bumming around backroads like you're doing, I think they're a lot more fun than the rubber mounted engines. I like the mechanical feedback - it just makes the whole experience more primal. I think they're like 40lbs lighter than the 04+ bikes as well.

Yes, my bike is still in pieces. Initially, I was just going to pull the rear wheel and bring it in for a new tire, but as I was doing that, I started finding a bunch of stuff that needed to be addressed. In all fairness to the bike, I did ride her really hard without doing the best job of keeping up with maintenance. Between that, and the fact that some of my mods from 'back in the day' were kind of hacky, I decided that I should take the time to get her back in shape for the long haul. Not wanting to have too many irons in the fire, I've put her aside for now and am trying to stay focused on finishing the insulation and sheeting in the garage.
 

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Good on you for having the discipline to not allow the motorcycle to distract you from higher priority projects. I often lack that focus and run scattershot.

I would not have purchased a Sportster if I wanted to eat up highway miles. They’re not very good at that. For my country roads commute, the bike’s been great. I can’t wait to install the new tires though. The current ones are from 2002 and hard as rocks. A couple times today I locked up or slid the rear tire unexpectedly. Like in a low speed turn, I have to be really careful with the throttle because too much and the rear tire just wants to walk out.
The fun thing about riding is that motorcycles give you a ton of feedback.
 

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I purchased Avon Cobra Chrome tires. Supposedly they put their sport bike tire geometry and patterns into cruiser size. That fits what I do well since I don’t care about racking up miles on the highway.
 

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...I would not have purchased a Sportster if I wanted to eat up highway miles. They’re not very good at that...

Eh, it's not as bad as you'd think, especially if you don't know any better. For a number of years when I first started riding, I was obsessed with knocking out serious miles each season. 500+ miles in a weekend, 2-3 times a month was standard. I even did a few 1000+ mile weekends. The vast majority of these miles were on two-lane roads because I hated riding on the interstate.

My perspective on riding has since changed - I suppose with age comes a bit of wisdom. After an especially scary incident brought on by my own stupidity, I gave up the chase. Now I prefer the riding you describe - backroads, low speed, just having fun.
 
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It's been awhile since I've posted an update, so I figured I should check in. To spoil the surprise I had planned, I've been chugging away at pulling electrical for new lights and sheeting my celling in the garage. I'm saving the "in-process" pics for when the project is complete.

In the meantime, I will post about a new distraction - I bought a 3D printer. This is my birthday/father's day/birthday gift. Yes, birthday is in there twice - I'm hard to shop for so Wife always asks me to treat myself whatever new tool or peashooter I'm obsessing over at the moment. Last year I didn't get myself anything for my birthday, so I got to double-down this year.

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I got a Creality CR-10S4 which gives me a 400mm cube build area, or just shy of 16" in 'Merica units. I haven't spent a ton of time messing with it, but I have gotten the build plate flat and level, and designed and printed off my first big item - an organizer for my junk.

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Well, that's it for now - better get outside and get to working on the ceiling...
 
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I’ve been chugging along when time allows on installing a ceiling and lights in the garage over the last few months and am happy to say that these two major milestones of my garage nearly complete. If I had to put a title on this long overdue update, I think either “Making possibly bad decisions, or at the very least controversial ones” or “Obsessing over what should have been a simple task – the story of my life” would be appropriate. The inspiration for those two titles comes from the fact that I’ve been thinking about what type of lighting to install and how to finish my ceiling since I decided to clean up and finish my space, and have changed my mind so many times I've lost count. I also wasn’t sure how well my ideas would work in real life until I tried them. Now that the project is nearly complete, I’m happy to report that I’m very pleased with the direction I took.

Before I could finish the ceiling, I needed to figure out lighting since pulling wiring is way easier when the trusses are exposed. After considering a bunch of different options, I finally landed on the idea of recessed lighting. This is the “possibly bad, somewhat controversial decision” number one. Doing a search for threads on GJ about putting recessed lights in your garage, you’ll quickly see that many are quick to steer members away from them for various reasons. In reading through posts from people who had actually installed them, they seemed to be generally pleased with their decision for the same reasons I liked them – clean looks, less likely to be damaged while handling material, and even light distribution throughout the space. I really liked the idea that no matter where I might be standing in the work area, my shadow wouldn’t affect my ability to see whatever I was working on.

When I was looking for recessed lights, I soon stumbled on these neat panel mount LED lights that don’t require a big can sticking up into the ceiling. They are an absolute breeze to install. Links to the ones I ultimately purchased are below, but there are dozens of them in various color temps, sizes, and brightness levels to choose from. At roughly $9-10 each, they also fit the budget nicely. The main reason I went with the 4” vs the 6” really came down to the fact that I thought it would look better to have smaller fixtures in my relatively small space. A few things to pay attention to when buying this type of light – make sure they are IC rated (can be in contact with insulation), are compatible with triac dimmers (so you can use traditional dimmers instead of having to get special LED dimmers), and have a decent CRI rating (how well they render color accurately, these are supposedly 90 which is apparently pretty good for LEDs).

The only word of warning about the lights I purchased. As I’ll explain later, I ended up needing 16 lights. Since they didn’t sell a 16 pack, I purchased a 12 pack and a 4 pack from the same seller to get the quantity needed. Even though packs are supposedly the same product, in my case, they were slightly different – I’m guessing just a running change on component suppliers to the factory. The driver boxes that came with the 4 pack are slightly smaller, the male/female plug ends are swapped, and the light color temperature is just a touch different. Wife doesn't see the difference. Maybe I’m just being OCD on the color temp issue, either way, it wasn’t different enough for me to send them back.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KRS7C4S/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Next I played around in CAD trying to find the best way to arrange the lights in the garage. I used the beam angle specified by the manufacturer to make a shaded (hatched) circle of what the expected diameter of coverage area would be at 40” (or was it 48”? I can’t remember…) from the floor (my best guess at a typical work height for myself). After about a dozen or so arrangements, I finally landed on a 4x4 grid of lights (16 lights total) spaced 60” apart from each other with the grid centered in the garage.

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You’ll notice that the light is more concentrated in the central area of the garage, but that coverage is poor around the edges. The plan is to eventually install task lighting over the workbench and tool box area so it was acceptable that these areas were under lit. More importantly to me, the coverage is pretty even – no hot spots, and very small, if any dim spots. I took the layout a step further to see what the distribution would look like at floor level and found that I had a nice even distribution throughout the space with only minor dim spots in the corners – hopefully any dropped hardware rolls to the middle of the garage and not the corners.

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One thing worth discussing – how much light is enough? That is a confusing, and often times controversial rabbit hole of a topic that I’ll allow you to explore for yourself. To keep things short, I’ll just say that (using a comparable light on the tool linked below) my area should theoretically be lit to around 20 foot-candles at working height. 20fc is, depending on the source you refer to, recommended for general office work. However, 20fc is not even close to the numbers that get tossed around if you research this subject here on GJ. Most of what I read recommends a minimum 50fc, and all the way up to 100fc as the goal for lighting. This would be the “possibly bad, somewhat controversial decision” number two. All I know is that bright white overlit spaces have always bothered me. They put me on edge and the last thing I want is to be anxious every time I spend time in my garage. Only time will tell if I made the right choice, but working in the space with most of the lights hooked up has been an absolute joy so far.

http://www.visual-3d.com/tools/interior/

Okay, so I’ve got the lights and I’ve got the layout, the next step was figuring out the ceiling material and color. I knew I wanted something with a little bit of character, so for the longest time I was planning on either galvanized corrugated tin or T&G pine, but that idea was eventually scrapped. Trying to think back on it now, I can’t even remember what prompted it, but all the sudden one day I got the idea in my head that my celling should be black. This would be “possibly bad, somewhat controversial decision” number three. Normally, using a dark color in small space is a bad idea. However, I’d read an article somewhere online where the author made an interesting point about how dark ceilings, when lit properly, can make the ceiling itself sort of disappear, tricking the mind into thinking the height of the room is actually higher than it really is. The author was talking about finishing basements with low ceilings, but I figured the same could be true for my garage.

I will admit, this is the decision that I had the lowest confidence in. Even when I went to buy paint, I hemmed and hawed at the store for probably 20 minutes before I finally just said “F-it” and grabbed a can of flat black industrial paint. While installing the boards on the ceiling, I was still second guessing myself. It wasn’t until I got most of the lights hooked up and flipped the switch for the first time that all that angst about my decision was put to rest. The amount of light was exactly what I was hoping for (maybe a touch brighter than I expected) and the black ceiling works! It actually does feel taller in there now and the room does not feel dark at all. Wife, who waited until after the fact to admit that she thought I was absolutely crazy for painting the ceiling black, loves how it turned out.

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As it turns out, taking a photo of a flat black ceiling with a bunch of recessed lights is actually a bit difficult with a crappy cell phone camera. I’ll dig out the DSLR once I get everything wrapped up and try to take some pics that more accurately reflect what I see. My teaser pic from yesterday was me getting the last two sheets of OSB painted – luckily we’ve had a nice run of mild weather that I was able to finish painting without having to use a heater to cure the paint. I’ve just got a few sheets to hang this weekend and I’ll be ready to go back and touch up the paint around the screw heads. Next step after that is to blow in some insulation. It’s weird to think that I’m only a couple of days of work away from actually having a warm shop this winter.

Since you've made it this far, I figure I might as well share a life update as well. Coming this April, we’ll be adding kid #2 to the family – a boy this time! To say that I'm excited would be an understatement. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore my daughter, but I'm also very excited to have a son as well.

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New kid means we need a new family hauler, right? 2017 Cadillac XTS...

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Actually, the main reason we got the car is because Wife got promoted and had to turn in her company car (no more sales calls, managing now). We got a solid deal on it thanks to Wife's negotiation skills. What really surprised me was how affordable it was compared to its similarly equipped models from the competitors. It was actually cheaper than the Impalas we were initially looking at, even though its basically the same car.

Again, apologies for such a long post and making everyone wait so long for an update, its just been so crazy lately. Thanks for following along, hopefully I can do better with keeping everyone up to date on progress now that things have slowed down a bit.
 

Terracar

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Congrats on the latest addition to come for the family! Just remember, when you think you know how it works, the second one comes along and throws everything you know out the window. At least that was my experience with my son and daughter.

Now on to the garage - I am intrigued by the black ceiling. Can you take a picture of the garage looking from outside inwards? Also would love to see how well lit the garage is now.

Thank you for the updates and congratulations again!
 

fourbyford

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bd... I've been following your thread for quite some time... always interesting things happening around your place! Thanks for the detailed description of this portion of your build. I've been working on lighting in my shop and, like you, have been contemplating various ideas for finishing the ceiling. You've definitely given me yet another idea to consider!
And... congrats on the soon-to-arrive addition to the shop crew!
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rattle_snake

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“Obsessing over what should have been a simple task – the story of my life”
wait, I thought that was the story of my life?

Congrats on the little man on the way!
 

Hawk136439

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Congrats on the little guy on the way! Can't wait to see finished pictures of the space with the lights and ceiling.
 

Craptain

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That an update worth waiting for. Just didn't want to wait so long. Congratulations on all fronts.

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