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older as dirt
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How does something become older as something else?

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Your point being? Some people haven't seen it yet, so let them enjoy.
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Yeah!

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In all seriousness... If it's old, it's old. I've never seen it... and it's my website, so deal with it you driveling swine!

Kidding again... of course... But I've always wanted to say that.

Anyhow, excuse my tardiness to the party.
 
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That's really cool! I guess it uses the same principles as the rotary combustion engine.
 
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I saw several videos of concept animations, but I hadn't seen one that looked like a shippable product.

I wonder how practical that is, it looks like it requires a special head on the spindle.
 
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This is old technology, and Western, not Japanese or Chinese, as many of us here have posted. Search this forum or Google, but do your homework. You'll also learn the mathematical principles behind it, which will be worth the exercise.
 
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why make square hole for round bolt??
haha seriously what would be the purpose? im just a mechanic so i cant think of anything i would use it for but would like to here what you would do with it??
 
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I've never seen it before. Neither has my dad. My buddies at work have never seen it. Nor has my father in law. My wife and kids haven't seen it. My mom and sister have not seen it before either. The priest at my church said it's new to him. The guys in the Knights of Columbus said they had not seen it before. The autotech teachers at my school said they were not aware of this item. My secretary laughed when I asked her if she had seen a bit that drilled a square hole. The maintenance chief at the school thought I was joking when I told him about a bit that drilled square holes.

So a collective "Thanks" to Ryan for posting this from all of us that have never seen it before.

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That concept design and product is called a Watts drill. A little pricey for the garage guy, but they can be had. Here is a Swiss made one for the mill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=3n9kFqfmwoU

Also, for the lathe:

Depending on the part and access to it, most large shops use large hydraulic punches to punch squares. They can also be made with plasma or waterjet. But you cant always access the part that way or punch an odd shape. So, for a small machine shop operation the above method is great. Also, with an undersized round hole drilled in the stock, a good patient craftsman can make a nice square using good quality files.

An arbor press and square cutting broaches that you press into your previously drilled round holes can make squares also.
 
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That is just plain cool. I've heard of them before, but never seen one in action. I THINK the unit I heard about was used for wood, however.

I'm curious...I note the "arbor" ocillates heavily...does this require a special machine, or would it work in a large drill press? (Is "ocillate" the right word?)

Very impressive.
 
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Coach James said:
I've never seen it before. Neither has my dad. My buddies at work have never seen it. Nor has my father in law. My wife and kids haven't seen it. My mom and sister have not seen it before either. The priest at my church said it's new to him. The guys in the Knights of Columbus said they had not seen it before. The autotech teachers at my school said they were not aware of this item. My secretary laughed when I asked her if she had seen a bit that drilled a square hole. The maintenance chief at the school thought I was joking when I told him about a bit that drilled square holes.

So a collective "Thanks" to Ryan for posting this from all of us that have never seen it before.

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That is just plain cool. I've heard of them before, but never seen one in action. I THINK the unit I heard about was used for wood, however.

I'm curious...I note the "arbor" ocillates heavily...does this require a special machine, or would it work in a large drill press? (Is "ocillate" the right word?)

Very impressive.
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The machine I belive your talking about is a Motriser(sp). Uses a drillbit in a square chisle to make square holes.
 
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They showed us that video at work about a month or so ago. Pretty cool stuff. Wonder if it'll ever see much use in the real world or if it'll be more of a "specialty" thing.
 
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A buddy of mine could use one, but at the prices they go for, probably will never end up with one.
 
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This is called rotary broaching. The center axis of the bit follows an ellipse while simultaneously rotating. In this case the ellipse is a circle with a triangular bit. A "square" is only one on many shapes that can be made this way. If you change the ellipse or the bit, any number of shapes can be cut. Harry Watts created this and patented it 100 years ago.

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Pretty cool. Don't think you'll be making this work in your drill press though. To keep that square hole square both the spindle and the fixture would need to be damn rigid.
 
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I thought I'd seen a discussion on rotary broaches on this site a few months ago.

But older n dirt, of course. It's just a matter of putting a square peg in a round hole!

Dave, who couldn't file a round hole into a square hole to save his life.
 
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For super old square/star/etc hole wood-boring tools, check out "A Very Boring Program" by a hero of mine, Roy Underhill in his tv series, The Woodwright's Shop. Go to about 14:25.
 
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We had a discussion about this drilling a square hole 20+ years ago back in college. I didn't understand it then, but now that I see it work, it seems simple. The oscillation is from the triangular "flutes" of the drill being offset to the shank of the drill - not the spindle of the machine oscillating.
Glad I finally saw it in action after all of this time - I did think about it every now and then.
Thanks for posting.
 
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Stick said:
If you think that's neat, you need to check out How Round Is Your Circle?
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You can check how round your circle is by checking it against the most spherical thing ever made.

The pursuit of the Kilogram:
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But thanks for the book. I'll have to look it up.
 
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I can see myself finding one of these and putting it in a corded drill and swearing alot after it cranks my wrist in half
 
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A Watts drill is not the same as a rotary broach. I can't explain the difference, but there is one. Quoted from the Woodworkforum;

http://www.woodworkforums.com/archive/index.php/t-142453.html
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"I think rotary broaching is actually a different principle to that shown above. IIRC, with a rotary broach, the broach is held stationary on the work and "wobbled" by an eccentric, hmm, not sure how to describe it, I'll say "cam" but I'm sure somebody will shoot me down for that as it's not really a cam at all. Anyway, an eccentric "plate" behind the broach that wobbles the broach from side to side and drives it through the pre-drilled hole. I intend to make one of these, but just haven't had time ... hence why I'm typing while sitting in Tokyo!

On the other hand the one above is a "Harry Watt" drill bit. As I understand it, that rotates pretty much like a normal drill bit, BUT the drive to the specially shaped drill bit ALSO rotates. It's really tricky to describe, but I think it showed it on the video in the link. Imagine getting your drill press quill, mounting that offset on a plate, and also turning that around in a circular shape. Ok that's a really **** description, sorry you'll just have to look at the videos. Google "Harry Watt", he was a clever dude. Edit: Oh, just watched that video, ok, yes that would be another way to rotate the drive, run it through a fixture with universal joints so the axis of the drive is changed. Very cunning. Anyway the point is rotary/wobble broaching, and Harry Watt drill bits work on quite different principles, so may be confusing when intermixed in posts. Both pretty clever, but as mentioned, I've heard the former is better for a number of reasons."
 
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Richard D said:
A Watts drill is not the same as a rotary broach. I can't explain the difference, but there is one. Quoted from the Woodworkforum;

http://www.woodworkforums.com/archive/index.php/t-142453.html
By Pete F
"I think rotary broaching is actually a different principle to that shown above. IIRC, with a rotary broach, the broach is held stationary on the work and "wobbled" by an eccentric, hmm, not sure how to describe it, I'll say "cam" but I'm sure somebody will shoot me down for that as it's not really a cam at all. Anyway, an eccentric "plate" behind the broach that wobbles the broach from side to side and drives it through the pre-drilled hole. I intend to make one of these, but just haven't had time ... hence why I'm typing while sitting in Tokyo!

On the other hand the one above is a "Harry Watt" drill bit. As I understand it, that rotates pretty much like a normal drill bit, BUT the drive to the specially shaped drill bit ALSO rotates. It's really tricky to describe, but I think it showed it on the video in the link. Imagine getting your drill press quill, mounting that offset on a plate, and also turning that around in a circular shape. Ok that's a really **** description, sorry you'll just have to look at the videos. Google "Harry Watt", he was a clever dude. Edit: Oh, just watched that video, ok, yes that would be another way to rotate the drive, run it through a fixture with universal joints so the axis of the drive is changed. Very cunning. Anyway the point is rotary/wobble broaching, and Harry Watt drill bits work on quite different principles, so may be confusing when intermixed in posts. Both pretty clever, but as mentioned, I've heard the former is better for a number of reasons."
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Conventional broaching pushes a form tool straight into/through the workpiece. Rotary broaching, done on a lathe, angles the tool about 1 degree off the centerline of the workpiece. The broach is allowed to spin freely, and is pushed into the workpiece. As the workpiece rotates, it rotates the tools, engaging only one edge of the tool into the cut at anytime.

That's probably the best way I've actually ever explained that process!

Slater Tools makes rotary broaching tools for lathes, and they've got some videos of the process in action on their website. We use these where I work to put hex sockets in some aerospace parts.

If I were to classify that Dijet tool into a generic machining category, I would call it an end mill. A really crazy end mill.
 
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