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The Truck Tool Equivalents Thread - Gathering Data

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It’s interesting how Snap-On has leveraged its brand.

In the early days, Snap On bought Blue-Point and used the Blue-Point brand to market products made by other manufacturers.

How times have changed.

How many mechanics are easily fleeced by these businesses that sell direct to wrench turners and simultaneously rob them blind due to their customers’ lack of diligence and good business sense.

I give Blakethecarguy huge respect for the time he spends on here. I’m surprised I don’t see more mechanics on this forum (as an example).
 
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It’s interesting how Snap-On has leveraged its brand.

In the early days, Snap On bought Blue-Point and used the Blue-Point brand to market products made by other manufacturers.

How times have changed.

How many mechanics are easily fleeced by these businesses that sell direct to wrench turners and simultaneously rob them blind due to their customers’ lack of diligence and good business sense.

I give Blakethecarguy huge respect for the time he spends on here. I’m surprised I don’t see more mechanics on this forum (as an example).

You forget, tool truck owners finance the tools at no interest. They also warranty items on the spot.
 

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I can absolutely understand why the pros use tool trucks for many reasons. I also think there are probably good quality cheaper options for some tools if your situation allows.

I have pro mechanic friends that are 100% Snap-on, some are 100% tool truck, and some are whatever the minimal cost level they have to go to that works. One pro friend of mine works at a GM dealer who has just about all tool truck stuff bought some Icon stuff just as a test and he liked it. I personally think a lot of Snap-on tools are better than most, but I personally can’t justify the cost when I’m not breaking a Craftsman, Husky, etc.

I’m not a pro and don’t wrench for a living, but do way more than the average homeowner. The lowest end stuff is not good enough for what I do especially in the specialty tools. Forget Harbor Freight snap ring pliers, I bought Snap-on (before I found this thread). So for me knowing the equivalent brand is super beneficial to save money. I’m getting a circle track car ready for the spring and I don’t have to have a tool for a job tomorrow. Instead of paying tool truck price, the equivalent is cheaper and works for what I’m doing since I have 3 months to get the car ready. I’m not wrenching all day every day and don’t need the warranty like a pro. I have plenty of time to ship a tool for warranty and wait for it to come back. A pro has to get the timing belt on the car today. I have another car to drive, I can wait 3 weeks.

Everyone’s situation is different.
 

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I can absolutely understand why the pros use tool trucks for many reasons. I also think there are probably good quality cheaper options for some tools if your situation allows.

I have pro mechanic friends that are 100% Snap-on, some are 100% tool truck, and some are whatever the minimal cost level they have to go to that works. One pro friend of mine works at a GM dealer who has just about all tool truck stuff bought some Icon stuff just as a test and he liked it. I personally think a lot of Snap-on tools are better than most, but I personally can’t justify the cost when I’m not breaking a Craftsman, Husky, etc.

I’m not a pro and don’t wrench for a living, but do way more than the average homeowner. The lowest end stuff is not good enough for what I do especially in the specialty tools. Forget Harbor Freight snap ring pliers, I bought Snap-on (before I found this thread). So for me knowing the equivalent brand is super beneficial to save money. I’m getting a circle track car ready for the spring and I don’t have to have a tool for a job tomorrow. Instead of paying tool truck price, the equivalent is cheaper and works for what I’m doing since I have 3 months to get the car ready. I’m not wrenching all day every day and don’t need the warranty like a pro. I have plenty of time to ship a tool for warranty and wait for it to come back. A pro has to get the timing belt on the car today. I have another car to drive, I can wait 3 weeks.

Everyone’s situation is different.
I don't mean to derail the thread and it's been awesome.

I agree with this and I'm like you. Not a pro and but work on all of our cars, relatives too and do it as a hobby.

My best friend just got out of being a Snap-On dealer. He is a realist and works on cars like me. He told me which items to absolutely go with Snap On and anything else not on the list, in his opinion, it doesn't matter.

When he got out, I bucked up and got a set of MM and SAE flank drive wrenches at a killer price. I will say, comparing the Snap On wrenches to my US-made Craftsman Industrial, there is definitely a difference. Worth it at retail, not sure. At the price I got them for, it was for me.

That said, I'm done and don't need any more tools.
 

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I don't mean to derail the thread and it's been awesome.

I agree with this and I'm like you. Not a pro and but work on all of our cars, relatives too and do it as a hobby.

My best friend just got out of being a Snap-On dealer. He is a realist and works on cars like me. He told me which items to absolutely go with Snap On and anything else not on the list, in his opinion, it doesn't matter.

When he got out, I bucked up and got a set of MM and SAE flank drive wrenches at a killer price. I will say, comparing the Snap On wrenches to my US-made Craftsman Industrial, there is definitely a difference. Worth it at retail, not sure. At the price I got them for, it was for me.

That said, I'm done and don't need any more tools.




What tools did he say were must haves?
 

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He told me which items to absolutely go with Snap On and anything else not on the list, in his opinion, it doesn't matter.
I really enjoy using "tool truck tools" but I do not believe Snap On is absolutely without competition in any category. Their flare nut wrenches are super nice and stand out to most people - but even for those, I wonder how the Facom ones with the bolster compare, I assume that design is inherently much more rigid.

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I really enjoy using "tool truck tools" but I do not believe Snap On is absolutely without competition in any category. Their flare nut wrenches are super nice and stand out to most people - but even for those, I wonder how the Facom ones with the bolster compare, I assume that design is inherently much more rigid.

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I never found line wrenches to be that useful. I typically use plier wrenches or a set of Cobras.
 
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I don't mean to derail the thread and it's been awesome.

I agree with this and I'm like you. Not a pro and but work on all of our cars, relatives too and do it as a hobby.

My best friend just got out of being a Snap-On dealer. He is a realist and works on cars like me. He told me which items to absolutely go with Snap On and anything else not on the list, in his opinion, it doesn't matter.

When he got out, I bucked up and got a set of MM and SAE flank drive wrenches at a killer price. I will say, comparing the Snap On wrenches to my US-made Craftsman Industrial, there is definitely a difference. Worth it at retail, not sure. At the price I got them for, it was for me.

That said, I'm done and don't need any more tools.

Curious which tools your snap-on friend recommended to splurge on? My dad was an ex snap-on truck dealer and when he cleared out inventory he kept almost nothing. Since he only did lightweight home and vehicle repairs he generally felt almost nothing was worth the 2-3x price premium haha.
 

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Curious which tools your snap-on friend recommended to splurge on? My dad was an ex snap-on truck dealer and when he cleared out inventory he kept almost nothing. Since he only did lightweight home and vehicle repairs he generally felt almost nothing was worth the 2-3x price premium haha.
Wrenches, sockets, and ratchets. Everything else, it didn't matter.
 

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In desperation one night broke down in the boonies I used the open end of a 19mm Snap on combination wrench with a 3 foot cheater pipe on it to break off a welded bracket on a Rusty *** Toyota pick up cross member. It took everything I had pushing on it using my feet to break it off but it did and the wrench was unfazed. I figured it wouldn't work and the wrench would be mangled but man was I surprised and impressed. Needless to say any lesser wrench would never have done that. Snap on sockets are in that same category of impressive, I've never broken one. Trying to do a field repair one night with limited tools I broke a Snap on 1/2" ratchet with a cheater pipe on it but that wasn't the ratchets fault because I broke two 1/2" breaker bars on the same bolt after making a trip for more tools. One was a Napa and the other I don't remember.
 

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In desperation one night broke down in the boonies I used the open end of a 19mm Snap on combination wrench with a 3 foot cheater pipe on it to break off a welded bracket on a Rusty *** Toyota pick up cross member. It took everything I had pushing on it using my feet to break it off but it did and the wrench was unfazed. I figured it wouldn't work and the wrench would be mangled but man was I surprised and impressed. Needless to say any lesser wrench would never have done that. Snap on sockets are in that same category of impressive, I've never broken one. Trying to do a field repair one night with limited tools I broke a Snap on 1/2" ratchet with a cheater pipe on it but that wasn't the ratchets fault because I broke two 1/2" breaker bars on the same bolt after making a trip for more tools. One was a Napa and the other I don't remember.
Depending on your local guy, Snap On dealers have a way to demonstrate this type of scenario using a SO wrench. I didn't believe it at first, but the SO wrench was unfazed by the torture test.
 

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I didn't read every page of this thread, but the first couple pages and 15 to end. In case it wasn't mentioned, Malco Eagle Grip locking pliers are the same as the SO locking pliers. Both are very high quality; the Malco's are a bargain. Definitely better than Irwin Vice Grips, in my opinion.

I like SO tools, and tool truck tools in general. I find the finishes on the tools are nicer, the markings tend to be nicer, and the quality will be good.

I bought a set of half-inch drive deep sockets (chrome) from HF in their Taiwanese Icon brand. Nice enough sockets, but I broke a 9/16 on a stubborn nut. The socket cracked up the side, which was disappointing. To their credit, HF gave me an entire new set and took the old one.

My opinion is that there are a number of made in Taiwan tools that are all about equivalent quality. Icon, Tekton, Capri, Milwaukee, etc. And these are probably worth buying given that they are decent quality at a tremendous price. I will not support any Asian countries by buying their tools *except* Japan and Taiwan. Japan's stuff is usually very good.
 

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Just curious, if buying a used Sanp-On or other Tool Truck Brand online, has there ever been any evidence of Chinese Counterfeit versions? I would hate to pay $$ for a tool and find out its fake.
 

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Just curious, if buying a used Sanp-On or other Tool Truck Brand online, has there ever been any evidence of Chinese Counterfeit versions? I would hate to pay $$ for a tool and find out its fake.
It would be rare, there's not really that many people searching for such stuff.

There are some fakes of German pliers. Knipex electrician pliers and some NWS pliers. You can find both on Aliexpress. I have some fake knipex pliers from there, and for the price I paid they're quite alright, but it would be a big scam to sell them for Knipex prices...
 

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I have a friend that had a Snap on Route for 10 years. He said the Ratchets are the best. Sockets no so much. He is now an industrial mechanic and buys some tools at HF which would have been sacrilegious to him not too long ago.
The former SO dealer probably saw what was routinely returned for warranty, defects, etc and maybe not as impressed as people who may not see his side of things.
 
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It would be rare, there's not really that many people searching for such stuff.

There are some fakes of German pliers. Knipex electrician pliers and some NWS pliers. You can find both on Aliexpress. I have some fake knipex pliers from there, and for the price I paid they're quite alright, but it would be a big scam to sell them for Knipex prices...
Aliexpress in general is a Counterfeit from China paradise. I'm an audiophile and the amount of counterfeit items is terrible.
 

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The former SO dealer probably saw what was routinely returned for warranty, defects, etc and maybe not as impressed as people who may not see his side of things.
I think you are exactly correct. Plus, as an industrial mechanic he is not working on as many rusted fasteners and does not have to beat up his tools so much to get things completed. Totally different environments. I once heard him say the stuff he now works on does not have to be car tight.
 

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Any manufacturer that takes their IP to china and expects it to not be stolen by their business partners is naive at best.
Why is that? Do you think their thirst for short term profits out weighs any long term profitability. Or perhaps they see the product as something that will fizzle out in a few years?. Which is what often happens with electronic gadgets.? They all can't be naive?
 

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Why is that? Do you think their thirst for short term profits out weighs any long term profitability. Or perhaps they see the product as something that will fizzle out in a few years?. Which is what often happens with electronic gadgets.? They all can't be naive?
My opinion FWIW, is shortsighted greed backed by self serving charts and graphs showing that there is no way to compete if they don't offshore.

The reality of Post Covid19 logistics may change things a bit, at least I hope so.
 

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You forget, tool truck owners finance the tools at no interest. They also warranty items on the spot.
And deliver them.

Often times know about the "special wrench" you need to work on the "brand crappy" cars sold at the "stealership"....long before the "stealership" lets you know.

Many will make a special stop if asked by a customer....

Most of the tool truck wrenches? DO NOT round the rust belt fasteners we see here....(or the ones the owner messed up prior to bringing his klunker in for fixing)
 

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Aliexpress in general is a Counterfeit from China paradise. I'm an audiophile and the amount of counterfeit items is terrible.
Sure, but if you know what you're buying some of it can be an okay deal too. Not a lot of it, but there's stuff they sell that I've been quite happy with....
 

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It’s interesting how Snap-On has leveraged its brand.

In the early days, Snap On bought Blue-Point and used the Blue-Point brand to market products made by other manufacturers.

How times have changed.

How many mechanics are easily fleeced by these businesses that sell direct to wrench turners and simultaneously rob them blind due to their customers’ lack of diligence and good business sense.

I give Blakethecarguy huge respect for the time he spends on here. I’m surprised I don’t see more mechanics on this forum (as an example).
As a professional mechanic I have a mix of just about everything in my toolbox. Somethings aren't worth the tool tuck cost others are.
 

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Well, 40 year professional harley mechanic here. Always indy shops, no dealer stuff. I like others have a mix of a lot of stuff in my boxes. There are 2 stories that became lessons I learned 30 years ago regarding tool trucks.

Story 1. 30 years ago in the mid 90's A friend of mine had an auto repair shop. At the time I was in between shops and I working out of my garage since I had a ton of side work. He ended up with medical problems and asked if there was any way I could work out of his middle bay since it had no lift and nobody used it. He wanted me to watch over the place. He sweetened the deal by gifting me a really nice set of MAC boxes, top, middle, bottom, and 2 side boxes. He had just bought a mammoth snap-on box, so the MAC boxes were sitting unused. At that point all I had to do was move the harley tools, the bike lift, and split up my hand tools. Well that wasn't happening, so I bought one of those billion piece craftsman tool sets, mainly for the sockets, and I got myself a bunch of snap-on ratchets when the tool truck came in since I was ready to upgrade anyway, and at the time there wasn't much out there that felt as nice. Soooo...one day I had a handlebar job, and on the 1982-1994 handlebar switch housings there are these small ******* Phillips screws that hold the switches in the housings. I went through every ******** screw driver I had. New MAC, New SK, craftsman, and others, and NONE of them would budge the screws. They were rounding out the heads and wouldn't break them loose. The one really good auto mechanic hears me cursing, and comes walking over with a smirk on his face and hands me a snap-on screw driver. I said ok snap-on man with your fancy screw driver, give me the damn thing. I stuck it in the screw, gave it a twist and *POP*, the screw breaks loose instantly. I do the other 3 screws with the same result. 2 weeks later I have another handlebar job, and the same thing all over again. None of my screw drivers would break them loose. I call the mechanic over and ask if I can borrow the magic screw driver. I put it in the screw and *pop*, it instantly breaks loose. I said ok, I'm done with this ****, the next time that dude rolls the truck in I'm getting some snap-on screw drivers. To this day i never had a problem with those screws. Final score- Snap-on 1, everything else zip, zero, nada.

Story 2. During this time I was also looking at snap-on wrenches, again at that time nothing felt as nice. The other mechanic, who used to work at a K-mart auto center started preaching about this benchtop brand of tools they had at the time. Talking about sockets his exact words were " i hit them with torches, beat them with hammers, and they don't break. I didn;t care about sockets, but he said they had a set of wrenches that looked like older snap-on before they made them longer, and its $20 for the set. After 2 weeks of this preaching I said ok, lets go to K-mart, I'll buy $50 worth of tools and I'll show you that I'll turn them to dust in a week. I got the wrenches, a string of 3/8 sockets, a 3 piece wobble extension set, and a string of torque sockets for $50. Even though the wrenches looked pretty damn good the next day or so i grabbed the snap-on wrenches off the truck. Well, joke was on me. A week later the wrenches were fine, 1 year later the wrenches were still perfect, and now 30 years later those bench top wrenches are still going fine, and every bike I worked on in the last 30 years was with those wrenches and they are still like the day I got them. The 2 lessons I learned in those few weeks was yeah, sometimes the tool truck is your savior, and never poo poo a set of tools because they're cheap, because there might be some serious gems. There is a balance in there somewhere.
 

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I had a handlebar job, and on the 1982-1994 handlebar switch housings there are these small ******* Phillips screws that hold the switches in the housings. I went through every ******** screw driver I had. New MAC, New SK, craftsman, and others, and NONE of them would budge the screws. They were rounding out the heads and wouldn't break them loose. The one really good auto mechanic hears me cursing, and comes walking over with a smirk on his face and hands me a snap-on screw driver. I said ok snap-on man with your fancy screw driver, give me the damn thing. I stuck it in the screw, gave it a twist and *POP*, the screw breaks loose instantly. I do the other 3 screws with the same result. 2 weeks later I have another handlebar job, and the same thing all over again. None of my screw drivers would break them loose. I call the mechanic over and ask if I can borrow the magic screw driver. I put it in the screw and *pop*, it instantly breaks loose.
Sounds like the snap-on had a hardened tip and yours didn't?
 

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And deliver them.

Often times know about the "special wrench" you need to work on the "brand crappy" cars sold at the "stealership"....long before the "stealership" lets you know.

Many will make a special stop if asked by a customer....

Most of the tool truck wrenches? DO NOT round the rust belt fasteners we see here....(or the ones the owner messed up prior to bringing his klunker in for fixing)

I used to be a "If it ain't Snap-On it ain't Sh1t" type of guy (I still hold them in high regard). But I've found that there's some stuff out there as good or better! The Mac RBRT or USAG 285-X branded version of the same wrench is a fraction of the price of SO Flank Drives: $128
vs $674
The MAC Precision Torques have become my Go To and if I lived in the Rust Belt the RBRTs would probably be my go to (I just gravitate more towards 12pt vs 6pt and am waiting for an opportunity to put the 285-X to the test). I used Snap-On wrenches in the past and know first hand how good they are but I honestly prefer the feel of the MAC/FACOM/USAG design in my hand.

Yeah I know that the Avg Mech isn't going to mail order the USAG and wait a month and end up with something difficult to warranty, BUT for us part timers I'll take something that out performs the SO on rusted fasteners for a fraction of the price.

And you don't need to take my word for it:
 

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Well, 40 year professional harley mechanic here. Always indy shops, no dealer stuff. I like others have a mix of a lot of stuff in my boxes. There are 2 stories that became lessons I learned 30 years ago regarding tool trucks.

Story 1. 30 years ago in the mid 90's A friend of mine had an auto repair shop. At the time I was in between shops and I working out of my garage since I had a ton of side work. He ended up with medical problems and asked if there was any way I could work out of his middle bay since it had no lift and nobody used it. He wanted me to watch over the place. He sweetened the deal by gifting me a really nice set of MAC boxes, top, middle, bottom, and 2 side boxes. He had just bought a mammoth snap-on box, so the MAC boxes were sitting unused. At that point all I had to do was move the harley tools, the bike lift, and split up my hand tools. Well that wasn't happening, so I bought one of those billion piece craftsman tool sets, mainly for the sockets, and I got myself a bunch of snap-on ratchets when the tool truck came in since I was ready to upgrade anyway, and at the time there wasn't much out there that felt as nice. Soooo...one day I had a handlebar job, and on the 1982-1994 handlebar switch housings there are these small ******* Phillips screws that hold the switches in the housings. I went through every ******** screw driver I had. New MAC, New SK, craftsman, and others, and NONE of them would budge the screws. They were rounding out the heads and wouldn't break them loose. The one really good auto mechanic hears me cursing, and comes walking over with a smirk on his face and hands me a snap-on screw driver. I said ok snap-on man with your fancy screw driver, give me the damn thing. I stuck it in the screw, gave it a twist and *POP*, the screw breaks loose instantly. I do the other 3 screws with the same result. 2 weeks later I have another handlebar job, and the same thing all over again. None of my screw drivers would break them loose. I call the mechanic over and ask if I can borrow the magic screw driver. I put it in the screw and *pop*, it instantly breaks loose. I said ok, I'm done with this ****, the next time that dude rolls the truck in I'm getting some snap-on screw drivers. To this day i never had a problem with those screws. Final score- Snap-on 1, everything else zip, zero, nada.

Story 2. During this time I was also looking at snap-on wrenches, again at that time nothing felt as nice. The other mechanic, who used to work at a K-mart auto center started preaching about this benchtop brand of tools they had at the time. Talking about sockets his exact words were " i hit them with torches, beat them with hammers, and they don't break. I didn;t care about sockets, but he said they had a set of wrenches that looked like older snap-on before they made them longer, and its $20 for the set. After 2 weeks of this preaching I said ok, lets go to K-mart, I'll buy $50 worth of tools and I'll show you that I'll turn them to dust in a week. I got the wrenches, a string of 3/8 sockets, a 3 piece wobble extension set, and a string of torque sockets for $50. Even though the wrenches looked pretty damn good the next day or so i grabbed the snap-on wrenches off the truck. Well, joke was on me. A week later the wrenches were fine, 1 year later the wrenches were still perfect, and now 30 years later those bench top wrenches are still going fine, and every bike I worked on in the last 30 years was with those wrenches and they are still like the day I got them. The 2 lessons I learned in those few weeks was yeah, sometimes the tool truck is your savior, and never poo poo a set of tools because they're cheap, because there might be some serious gems. There is a balance in there somewhere.
Years ago, early 90's, my wife bought me a set of Benchtop sockets and ratchets. We were newly married and didn't have much money. Those Benchtop tools fixed a lot of stuff, saved us a lot of money and I still have them. I still use them occasionally, for sentimental reasons.

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