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The Ultimate Shop Safety Thread

danmcph

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Hey Guys,

I am completely self taught. I have never had a class, course, mentor etc. So, I have never had anyone teach me things to do to avoid injury in a shop. I have gleaned what I have learned through common sense, horror stories, threads in forums and I am much safer now then when I started. But it is the info you don't have that you should have that can really help.

So, lets make a thread that hopefully becomes a resource that people can read to learn the best safety practices in a shop. If we help one person avoid one injury it will be time well spent. Lets keep this packed with info and real world advice. I will start out.

1) DO NOT clean anything you are going to weld or heat with Brake Cleaner. Doing so creates poison gas that will mess you up. (Think trenches of WWI)

2) Angle grinders mean using guards, eye glasses, face mask, two hands on the tool and giving the tool the same amount of trust you would give a starving rabid dog that just wants to ruin your day.

3) If you are working with cable moving at faster speeds close to the winch, don't use gloves that could snag and pull your hand into the winch

4) Assume the wire wheel you are using is going to launch wires out of it that will act like heat seeking missiles aimed for the softest parts of your body, act accordingly.

5) That automotive jack you paid $9.99 for that is holding up your 12,000 lb vehicle needs to be backed up with quality jack stands and it doesn't hurt to have a secondary catch under the car as well, like that tire you just took off positioned under the axle if your repair allows it.

6) That friend you think is in no way stupid enough to actually ______ while you are ______ because that would potentially injure you, may have a lapse in thought process long enough to get you hurt. Keep an eye on everyone while doing anything dangerous, and ask them to keep an eye on you because you might end up being "that guy" today.

7) The piece of metal you just welded doesn't cool down as fast as you are thinking it did. Don't grab it too soon

8) I know you love your wife. She fell in love with a dude with 10 fingers. Lets keep it that way. No wedding rings can be worn in the shop.

9) On the drill press, bolt that workpiece down. Nothing like your Ellis drill press catching the work piece and spinning it at 600 RPM right into your hip or hands.

10) Chock your tires.

11) Do what your wife asks. Don't ask, but the difference between steak and a **** sandwich is the difference between doing what you need to do and doing what you want to do. :thumbup:

12) Throw away scratched safety glasses so you aren't taking them off to "get a better look". Then, sprinkle safety glasses around like my kids sprinkle lego's around on the floor for me to step on at 2 am in a drunken stupor. A 24 pack of safety glasses costs way less then a cutting edge eye transplant from your 3rd cousin who is a match for the procedure. I know, I priced it out on Amazon.

13) The number thirteen is so damn unlucky I'm skipping this one and moving right along.

14) A tool is designed to do a job, don't use it for something other than its intended purpose. An example that has nothing to do with me owing my wife $100 and being in the doghouse for a week, would be using a really nice hair dryer to dry your motorcycle air filter after washing the filter. Then proceeding to let the hairdryer become just another shop victim before you have a chance to return it.

15) Keep your clothing tucked in while operating rotating equipment. Snag hazards will mess you up.

16) No one ever has fires in their shop, except that one dude that one time who had all his **** burn to the ground. Other than that, it never happens, until it does. Get a fire extingisher. Put it where you can grab it fast. Really, they are pretty cheap. Oh, and get a real one, because if you are like me and there is a fire in my shop it will probably involve Napalm and a two ton pile of shredded paper, not some trivial average shop fire.

Thats all I have for now. Lets get this going!
 
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17) Don't decide that because you're to cheap to take that brake rotor resurfaced, you can do it with the motor running, clutch engaged, in gear, and the wheel spinning using a file. Breaking the file is a noisy and surprising experience, and trust me, having the file tang stuck through the palm of your hand is not a "Fashion Statement"...
 

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1) DO NOT clean anything you are going to weld or heat with Brake Cleaner. Doing so creates poison gas that will mess you up. (Think trenches of WWI)

That's with chlorinated brake cleaner. The non-chlorinated type doesn't create the hazard (although it also doesn't clean as well.)
 

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18) NEVER weld on or put heat on a wheel unless the tire has been dismounted! This includes torching off sticky lug nuts.

19) NEVER use concrete cinder blocks as a substitute for jack stands.
 
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20) If you have any of these widow-makers in your garage, throw the things out.
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I don't like to wear gloves in the shop except for cold weather needs. They can and will get caught in any kind of sawing or rotating equipment, to include a seemingly silly cordless drill. The latter are more powerful than ever, towit the blood blister I had under my thumbnail.

If using a corded 1/2" chuck drill (I am thinking specifically Milwaukee), always install the side handle. Absent the handle, the drill has enough torque in the right circumstance to wrap your hand in a position where the trigger is forced ON and you cannot let go, if a large diameter bit gets stuck.

Stationary grinding wheel is one of the most lethal metal particle launchers there is. I had a piece of tungsten grit removed from my eyeball when I forgot to reinstall my glasses.
 

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Agree on the gloves. It is always wet and cold here so I usually have gloves on, recent drove a screwdriver bit into my finger, being cold isn't so bad..
 

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21. Always wear a face shield when using the lathe. Any lathe: wood lathe, metal lathe, small, medium, or huge lathe, wear a face shield.
 

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21. Do not use tools and extension cords with damaged wiring insulation and/or no ground plug unless it is supposed to have no ground plug.
22. Clean up that oil spill before it sends you on your ***.
 

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Only open your oxy/acetylene bottles 1 hand turn. It won't affect flow and is much faster to turn off if SHTF.
 

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18) NEVER weld on or put heat on a wheel unless the tire has been dismounted! This includes torching off sticky lug nuts.

19) NEVER use concrete cinder blocks as a substitute for jack stands.

So how do you dismount a tire if the lug nuts are frozen? Lol!
 

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In no particular order:

23. Safety glasses under full face shield.

23a. Everyone else in the shop wears eyes & ears when the person working is wearing them.

24. Do not wear a respirator unless you have been Fit Tested.

25. Remove the ignition wire from the spark plug and pop the boot onto a head bolt to disable the ignition when servicing small engines.

26. Use push sticks for power saws.

27. No oil or lube on regulators.

28. Proper tool for the job. (i.e. Screw drivers are not chisels.)

29. Do not mix cleaners unless they are designed to be.

30. No flammable/volatile chemicals in ultrasonic cleaners.

31. Oily rags go in an oily waste can.

32. Never blow out uncontained bearings with compressed air.

33. No unlabeled fluids.

34. No dull blades.

35. Ventilate when spraying/using materials that give off harmful vapors.

Tommy
 
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20) If you have any of these widow-makers in your garage, throw the things out.
If you are feeling particularly civic minded, cut them in pieces first so somebody who doesn't know better won't try to salvage them from the dump.
 

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38.) When I ran a wood shop, any long hair had to be put up anywhere near power tools (stationary or portable)

39.) No jewelry of any type in the shop

40.) Keep the pets out of the shop/garage
 
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Only open your oxy/acetylene bottles 1 hand turn. It won't affect flow and is much faster to turn off if SHTF.

You are correct on the acetylene but wrong on the oxygen. Oxygen is under such enormous pressure that the valve is used to seal the stem when it is all the way open. When the valve is open part way it leaks around the stem.

Here is a link to a good article on tank safety that mentions this.

https://ehs.okstate.edu/modules/cylinder/handling.htm
 

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42. Working in the shop is like hiking. Make sure some one knows where you are or better yet have someone with you.
43. First aid kits are cheap.
44. You never realize how awesome steel toe shoes are until you drop a car battery on your toes and are spared from a really bad day. (Happened to me a couple days ago)
 

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42. Dull saw blades are dangerous because they require more force to cut. Sharpen or replace.
43. Chain your gas cylinders.
44. Hearing protection is your friend. You'll be grateful when you are 60+. Whaaat?
45. Use at least 3 separate things to hold up a vehicle before working underneath. Chock the wheels front and back too.
 

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Hearing protection is your friend. You'll be grateful when you are 60+. Whaaat?
Or tinnitus, which is even worse.

People are getting better about eye protection but no one wears hearing protection when they should be, which is much of the time. Sawing, hammering, grinding, A/C squarewave welding, etc.
 

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4 1/2'' cutting wheels are for cutting only. DO NOT use it as a grinding wheel .
The wheel is designed to be used straight. IF it flexes as in using it as a flat grinding wheel it may shatter.

When welding or cutting a connected garden hose on a working waterline and a 5 gallon bucket of water maybe handy.
 

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22. Clean up that oil spill before it sends you on your ***.

For sure, I slipped on some hydraulic oil that leaked out of my engine hoist cylinder after the engine I was lifting rubbed against the fill plug and knocked it out. I hit the ground faster than I thought was possible, completely dislocated my left middle finger and missed the frame rail of an F250 with my skull by a couple inches. 2+ years later, that finger is still a little goofy and the hospital bill wasn't cheap either.

45?) Be mindful of loose clothing. A shirt tail or sleeve can easily get caught in moving parts and kinda ruin your day.
 
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20) If you have any of these widow-makers in your garage, throw the things out.
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If you are feeling particularly civic minded, cut them in pieces first so somebody who doesn't know better won't try to salvage them from the dump.

What is wrong with the triangle jack stands? :headscrat I have a set (dont look like the one pictured though) that is old american made and I trust it much more than the ratcheting craftsman ones. The old triangles with a pin to adjust height seem more stable and I trust the steel pipe with a nice pin through it more than some Chinese pot steel ratcheting jackstand....

Not trying to be combative, I would like to be educated on the danger :thumbup:
 
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46) Have a sterile Eye Wash 'stand' set up, just in case.

I had chlorinated brake cleaner splash back and between my safety glasses - nose piece, straight into my eye.
 

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Oh have I learned this the hard way!

2) Angle grinders mean using guards, eye glasses, face mask, two hands on the tool and giving the tool the same amount of trust you would give a starving rabid dog that just wants to ruin your day.

I also wear safety glasses and a full face shield whenever I use a portable grinder / cut-off wheel. Great tool but you need to be very careful!
 

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What is wrong with the triangle jack stands? :headscrat I have a set (dont look like the one pictured though) that is old american made and I trust it much more than the ratcheting craftsman ones. The old triangles with a pin to adjust height seem more stable and I trust the steel pipe with a nice pin through it more than some Chinese pot steel ratcheting jackstand....

Not trying to be combative, I would like to be educated on the danger :thumbup:

Three legs vs four. Four is inherently more stable.

The ratcheting c-man kind despite country of origin use a cast cast steel post and the ratchet pawl is designed in a way that even if the pin slipped out some way the pawl would still be wedged in. The posts are not pot-metal. Bear in mind that despite country of origin, to be legally sold in the US; jacks and stands have to meet established design and safety criteria.

The post is solid cast steel vs cold extruded steel tube. The frames are heavy steel vs thin almost sheetmetal.

The plate on the top that the weight rests on can bend and deflect (again due to thin sheetmetal vs a cast piece.

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Really, it should be pretty clear visually. I'm 30 and I've never used the old style tripod ones for anything other than leveling the back of a camper. They just plain look unsafe imho.
 

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What is wrong with the triangle jack stands? :headscrat I have a set (dont look like the one pictured though) that is old american made and I trust it much more than the ratcheting craftsman ones. The old triangles with a pin to adjust height seem more stable and I trust the steel pipe with a nice pin through it more than some Chinese pot steel ratcheting jackstand....

Not trying to be combative, I would like to be educated on the danger :thumbup:

Nothing when used in the correct application, and when used correctly.

Three legs vs four. Four is inherently more stable. 4 legs are not inherently more stable.. 3 legs are much more stable if the surface it is placed on is not perfectly level. As in: 4 legs rock, 3 legs won't.

The ratcheting c-man kind despite country of origin use a cast cast steel post and the ratchet pawl is designed in a way that even if the pin slipped out some way the pawl would still be wedged in. The posts are not pot-metal. Bear in mind that despite country of origin, to be legally sold in the US; jacks and stands have to meet established design and safety criteria.
That's just naive. Caveat Emptor. They don't test every individual jack stand, just the initial design.

The post is solid cast steel vs cold extruded steel tube. The frames are heavy steel vs thin almost sheet metal. Nothing wrong with sheet gauge steel, material choice is based on the design requirement, cost, manufacturability and the weight rating. Both have their advantages and dis-advantages. Steel is ductile, the cast parts snap right in to

The plate on the top that the weight rests on can bend and deflect (again due to thin sheetmetal vs a cast piece. User error. You don't put the load on the bent up part, you put it on the flat part that is supported by the center tube.

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Really, it should be pretty clear visually. I'm 30 and I've never used the old style tripod ones for anything other than leveling the back of a camper. They just plain look unsafe imho.
Opinions vary, I've used a set since before you were born, no worries, no issues..

I have both types, the 3 legged style work fine when used within their rated capacity.

I guess maybe the compromise is to use whatever you are comfortable with. A properly sized chunk of lumber makes an excellent support, be it domestic or foreign.
 
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If you need to read the instructions how do do something (run a piece of machinery, service a pressurized strut, whatever), do it BEFORE you start. Heck, even if you've done this before, if you're not sure, get sure before you start. You don't want to get to the "(Step 16) Remove nut from the stud" and do that before you know the second half of that says "Warning - have the assembly secured in a suitable device, and caged".

Don't ask how I learned this... tho the old garage *did* need re-roofing anyway. :D
 
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Nothing when used in the correct application, and when used correctly.



I have both types, the 3 legged style work fine when used within their rated capacity.

I guess maybe the compromise is to use whatever you are comfortable with. A properly sized chunk of lumber makes an excellent support, be it domestic or foreign.

Well, I'm just young and dumb. I'll never put anything past a mower on 30+ year old used and abused sheet metal tripod stands that may not even have a weight rating still visible on them. The bases on 4 leg stands aren't cast either, just the post typically. If for no other reason than concerns over metal fatigue/corrosion over the years. Like you said, I'd sit a car on 4X6 wood blocks before I used them.

And yeah, I'm fully aware that only the original design is tested. I'll still take a new production or older production 4 point that has had to meet the rating criteria including a safety margin over decades old 3 point ones that may or may not have. And I love antique/vintage tools.

As far as stability, if placed on unlevel ground the tripod has even contact, but it now leaning. The 4 point may rock, but 3/4 point remain on the ground. Additionally the square made by the 4 leg stand is larger in surface area than most 3 leg stands I've seen, so in that sense, the stability is greater with the 4 point.

Besides, unless you have no other choice, you really shouldn't be crawling under a car on a surface that's that uneven anyway (not that I haven't done it countless times myself).

As far as the top plate, even being careful, loads can shift, especially when putting torque onto a fastener, bracket etc. I'd personally not want to take the chance on either me having a momentary lapse of caution or of the load shifting and going onto the edge of the plate.

It's my life and my choice, just as it's as much yours and I appreciate the rebuttal even if you had to throw in the age-related jab :) It's an interesting counterpoint. Both styles work wonderfully until they fail and than can be due to poor design, poor use, age/fatigue/rust, etc. I guess, I've never seen a set of tripods that haven't been used and abused to the point of almost being scrap metal; so that alone is sketchy. Then again, I won't use the old sheetmetal service ramps, but I will use Rhino ramps...

Meh, to each their own freedom and judgement.
 
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