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Yes it is mine. It was on Craigslist locally. The light is gone, and the fixed caster setup was replaced by swivel casters. Some of the chrome trim strips are missing, too. The door for the lower compartment was stuck, but I got the rails straightened out and it works again. The price was right and it makes a good place to keep some of my tool collection.
 
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Yes it is mine. It was on Craigslist locally. The light is gone, and the fixed caster setup was replaced by swivel casters. Some of the chrome trim strips are missing, too. The door for the lower compartment was stuck, but I got the rails straightened out and it works again. The price was right and it makes a good place to keep some of my tool collection.

Great fixer upper. IMHO.
What's the story on your avatoar pic? DC-3? My dad was a big fan of those and I had a chance to ride in them as a kid. He was a career pilot for Warren Pet. and then Gulf Oil.
 

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That is a -3 I flew in Alaska. We were picking up Sockeye salmon to fly out for the fresh market, landing on a beach at low tide. I flew DC-3's all over Alaska, from out in the Aleutians, north of the Arctic Circle, down in the Panhandle, and everywhere in between.

For two years I flew telephone construction crews, supplies and equipment into little native villiages all over the state and helped install the underground cabling, central office switchboard building and contents, generator systems, and even hang the phone on the wall in the house. I got to spend a lot of time in each villiage and get to know the people. It was great to learn their lifestyle and not just fly over.

I flew several different -3's, but most of my time was in this one. It was built as a C-47B, converted to a C-47D, later a VC-47D, and it's last use by the military was with the Strategic Air Command flying B-52 engines to remote bases for changing out failed ones. It was surplused off to Mexico, where it was a cargo airliner for a couple of years, then it showed up in Alaska trying to get work on the pipeline. A fisherman bought it to get his fish to market from Bristol Bay, and that is where I got involved.

Last I heard, this airplane was in line a Basler to be converted to turbines. It was a clean, low-hour airframe, and should be a good candidate. If converted, it will be flying long after I am gone!
 

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Fell in love with all things Blackhawk thanks to GJ, still have two SJ-18 floor jacks to restore (if anyone has any original casters please let me know) but wanted share the Porto Power cart and engine stand I just finished.

Cart is sort of a Resto-Mod, accurate-ish red color powdercoat used but it was originally white, thought it would always look dirty in my shop so went with an older style color scheme. Graphics reproduced thanks to a picture from Don's Party Garage.

Engine Stand was in pretty good shape, just blasted and powdercoated, will eventually hold a restored Flathead Ford.

MADC
 

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As some of you may know from an old post, I inherited my dads Blackhawk rollcab toolbox. As long as I can remember back in the mid 50's and even a picture I have some where, it was painted white. Anyone have an opinion on this? Was it custom or available in other colors? His other aircraft mechanic partner had another white one as well. I know all the others I've seen are red of course.

Found this in a 1950 catalog:


 

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This 1953 catalog pic shows the same box now known as model number 100D....:headscrat I'm thinking double Ds must be way better....:)

 
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Found this in a 1950 catalog:



Yes, that clearly confirms it. I notice it does have a kind of fairing around the casters which mine doesn't have. I might be able to fab that , looks kinda cool.

I haven't been able to find that catalog online. Can you tell me where I might? or get actual catalog or reprint?

Thanks CRTDI, very much for great info and detective work! Now I won't have any reservations on restoring again to white. :bowdown:
 

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Glad to help out...:beer:

Keep a watch on E-bay for old catalogs. For some reason, the 1953 W-101 hand tool catalog seems to be the most commonly available one.
 

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Fell in love with all things Blackhawk thanks to GJ, still have two SJ-18 floor jacks to restore (if anyone has any original casters please let me know) but wanted share the Porto Power cart and engine stand I just finished.

Wow! Excellent job on your cart and stand restorations...:thumbup: Thanks for sharing these.
 

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Yes, that clearly confirms it. I notice it does have a kind of fairing around the casters which mine doesn't have. I might be able to fab that , looks kinda cool.

I haven't been able to find that catalog online. Can you tell me where I might? or get actual catalog or reprint?

Thanks CRTDI, very much for great info and detective work! Now I won't have any reservations on restoring again to white. :bowdown:

The "fairing" around the casters is actually the axle support for the wheels, which do not swivel. To turn the box while moving you use the handles that extend from one end and skid the box or lift that end and swing it on the wheels still in contact with the floor. The handles have chrome-plated balls on the ends.

My box has had these removed and the wheels replaced with conventional casters, swivel ones on the handle end.
 

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Provi: nice story about your adventures with flying up in Alaska and getting to know the local people up there too. :bowdown:

Twertsy: are we still talking toolboxes when DD's are better than D's? :bounce:

ALL: everytime I think it's about time to quit buying or maybe selling some of my old tool boxes you post up some catalog pics or pictures of restored ones and I quit thinking about selling and start thinking where i'll put them.

I do love the quality of Blackhawk stuff!!
 

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The "fairing" around the casters is actually the axle support for the wheels, which do not swivel. To turn the box while moving you use the handles that extend from one end and skid the box or lift that end and swing it on the wheels still in contact with the floor. The handles have chrome-plated balls on the ends.

My box has had these removed and the wheels replaced with conventional casters, swivel ones on the handle end.

OK, good to know. My castors may have been replaced sometime because the handle end has swivel casters. Still like the look of the fairing, adds to the deco look. Thank you again.
 

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My first post in the BH thread...hit an estate sale while visiting my mom out of town and found this old Blackhawk toolbox. Although reading the decal I guess it contained a "Chief" wrench set and probably sockets given the upper tray. ?? I'm hoping you guys can give me an idea how old it would be and if the paint is original? It appears to be given that the decal is applied on top of the red paint but you can see gray paint at the hinge for the front flap(?). So was it originally gray, red or some other color? It appears to me that a previous owner drilled at least 3 holes in the top and put that metal piece on the top.

As I'm not really a Blackhawk guy I thought I might be able to use it in trade for things that do interest me. I appreciate any info you guys can provide.
 

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1940ish 1/2 drive socket set box. Looks good! Is that a plaque or nameplate of some sort on the lid?
 

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1940ish 1/2 drive socket set box. Looks good! Is that a plaque or nameplate of some sort on the lid?

I don't know Otg. I can't see anything stamped on it so I don't think it's a nameplate. I'll try to have a better look tomorrow. Do you think the red paint is original?
 

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OTG: I was thinking the same thing. maybe a brass government badge or maybe a personal one?

TEX: great find and you might want to start filling it up with old Blackhawk for fun while you decide if you want to keep it cause it does have the COOL LOOK.
 

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That came red. Here is an earlier, rusty one loaded with blackhawk goodies...
 

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Tex,

First of all, I am almost positive your box was made in 1937 or shortly thereafter. In 1937, Blackhawk introduced new cases with the lid and front panel all one folding piece that lifted up. No more drop front. And they were red. They were still offering the older style boxes (with the drop front, like yours) and tools in the back of the catalog as late as 1939. Those sections reuse the images from the 1935 catalog, showing the boxes as black, but they may have been actually furnished red. Lastly, the decal does not have the last "Lock-on" patent, 2,190,081, issued in 1940, which removed the need for a release button and key.

All the 1930’s Blackhawk “Treasure Chests” (R Case, 23-1/4” L x 18-3/4” H x 11-1/4” W) came standard with a brass name plate, reading “PROPERTY OF” on the top line followed by the owner’s name underneath that, and they were located exactly where that one is located. Several 1930’s catalogs show the plate on the top of the lid in the figure and proclaiming the feature in the text.

From the 1935 catalog…

And his pride will be pleased at the attractive individual brass name plate furnished for the top cover of each 70RD set. Name plate will be sent, ready to be attached, on receipt of card which is included with each Treasure Chest.

They were a little wider, with four screws in each corner. See an example owned by Craftsman C-Series on this thread here and my post immediately following that.

I think yours could be a “Hot Box” (27 pieces, see Otg's one post up) or a “Junior Treasure Chest” (45 pieces) which both came in a CB Case, 20-1/2” L x 6-1/2” H x 8-5/8” W. They did NOT come with a name plate in 1935 (again, see Otg's, which does not have one), but they did come with a name plate in 1939.

From 1939 catalog..

Name-plate furnished free with mechanic’s name.

Perhaps they made them narrower, leaving off the “PROPERTY OF” part, and perhaps yours left the factory (i.e., grew legs, given away, etc) without the actual name being stamped on it?

That’s what I would say if I was using it as tradebait! And if I was keeping it, I would shorten “PRIVATE” to “PVT”! :lol:

I would say it could be after-factory, but who would add a nameplate without a name on it?

Then again, I don't think these boxes came with that handle on top, and it looks to have been added with the same hardware as the nameplate, right through the decal. So, I am not sure.
 
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Mine did at one time have a nameplate, but alas has been lost. It was of the 4 screw variety.
 

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My first post in the BH thread...hit an estate sale while visiting my mom out of town and found this old Blackhawk toolbox. Although reading the decal I guess it contained a "Chief" wrench set and probably sockets given the upper tray. ?? I'm hoping you guys can give me an idea how old it would be and if the paint is original? It appears to be given that the decal is applied on top of the red paint but you can see gray paint at the hinge for the front flap(?). So was it originally gray, red or some other color? It appears to me that a previous owner drilled at least 3 holes in the top and put that metal piece on the top.

As I'm not really a Blackhawk guy I thought I might be able to use it in trade for things that do interest me. I appreciate any info you guys can provide.

Nice snag Tex! I'm game for a trade...…….I actually think that box style could also be late '30s. I have one but it's been spraybombed black.
 

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My full size treasure chest has the same 4 holes, no nameplate. I suspect when these would change hands the name plates were either kept by original owner or discarded by new owner.
 

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Tex,

First of all, I am almost positive your box was made in 1937 or shortly thereafter. In 1937, Blackhawk introduced new cases with the lid and front panel all one folding piece that lifted up. No more drop front. And they were red. They were still offering the older style boxes (with the drop front, like yours) and tools in the back of the catalog as late as 1939. Those sections reuse the images from the 1935 catalog, showing the boxes as black, but they may have been actually furnished red. Lastly, the decal does not have the last "Lock-on" patent, 2,190,081, issued in 1940, which removed the need for a release button and key.

All the 1930’s Blackhawk “Treasure Chests” (R Case, 23-1/4” L x 18-3/4” H x 11-1/4” W) came standard with a brass name plate, reading “PROPERTY OF” on the top line followed by the owner’s name underneath that, and they were located exactly where that one is located. Several 1930’s catalogs show the plate on the top of the lid in the figure and proclaiming the feature in the text.

From the 1935 catalog…

And his pride will be pleased at the attractive individual brass name plate furnished for the top cover of each 70RD set. Name plate will be sent, ready to be attached, on receipt of card which is included with each Treasure Chest.

They were a little wider, with four screws in each corner. See an example owned by Craftsman C-Series on this thread here and my post immediately following that.

I think yours could be a “Hot Box” (27 pieces, see Otg's one post up) or a “Junior Treasure Chest” (45 pieces) which both came in a CB Case, 20-1/2” L x 6-1/2” H x 8-5/8” W. They did NOT come with a name plate in 1935 (again, see Otg's, which does not have one), but they did come with a name plate in 1939.

From 1939 catalog..

Name-plate furnished free with mechanic’s name.

Perhaps they made them narrower, leaving off the “PROPERTY OF” part, and perhaps yours left the factory (i.e., grew legs, given away, etc) without the actual name being stamped on it?

That’s what I would say if I was using it as tradebait! And if I was keeping it, I would shorten “PRIVATE” to “PVT”! :lol:

I would say it could be after-factory, but who would add a nameplate without a name on it?

Then again, I don't think these boxes came with that handle on top, and it looks to have been added with the same hardware as the nameplate, right through the decal. So, I am not sure.

Lugz I didn't even notice that Otg's toolbox doesn't have that top handle. This box measure 20-1/8 in length and add the side handles you get 21-1/8", 9-1/4" in width and 7" tall. That differs from your measurements of the Junior box so I'd like to understand how they came up with those measurements.

Nice snag Tex! I'm game for a trade...…….I actually think that box style could also be late '30s. I have one but it's been spraybombed black.

twertsy I'm game for a trade. PM coming your way.
 
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Lugz That differs from your measurements of the Junior box so I'd like to understand how they came up with those measurements.
The measurements I gave you are consistently cited in the 1935, 1937, and 1939 catalogs for the CB chest. The R chest is bigger. And the W chest is the biggest with drawers. Since Otg is confirming your measurements, something is definitely off. Your boxes are in between the CB and the R, which is weird.
 

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The 27 refers to the number of tools in the set. The CB refers to the box. They called that the Hot Box set. Blackhawk sold a 45CB set (with 45 pieces, which they called a Junior Treasure Chest) in the same box. And they sold a 77-pc Nuggets set in the CB box. When you said that Tex had the "same" box as you, did you mean the style? Or did you mean size? Size would mean that your box also does not match the stated dimensions of a CB box. In case you missed it, they are 20-1/2” L x 6-1/2” H x 8-5/8” W. If you haven't measured, please do. It may help us figure out what box Tex (or perhaps soon to be Todd) has, or if something is screwy with the catalogs.
 
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More pics. I think the measurements vary a little depending on where you measure, as this box sticks out a bit in spots...
 

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Found this Blackhawk 18" adjustable wrench today and wire wheeled it just to clean it up. Turned out pretty nice, it's an AW-1018. Didn't see any info on it on the Alloy site so not sure what year it might have been made. It's a heavy wrench! Found a William's Pierce Arrow 723A and a Cadillac 3932 also so put them in the photo for a comparison shot.
 

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