topop101
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Any one know where I can find the swivel base with lock down for an Athol 681
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The VISES of Garage Journal
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drivesitfar
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**: I thought you didn't want us to help you find a vise?
CC: thanks
BB: I think Autopts and EX are talking about the hole in the end to lock the handle in place and not the change in style.
CC: thanks
BB: I think Autopts and EX are talking about the hole in the end to lock the handle in place and not the change in style.
Double lock down? What is that? The 681 on ebay only has one lock.
drivesitfar
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All: i finally found an XY Drill press vise with the help from another member i should have it soon. i'm actually not sure of the manufacturer on this one, but here's the tag and i'll get a few more pictures if anybody has an idea. i'm guessing age is 40's early 50's, but not sure how long they made these?
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Yea that's what I am talking about to. You have the old style with the meatball spindle, then the split collar R revision with a meatball and then split collar with the flat front spindle. Autopts had apparently never seen the split collar with a meatball before.
mtesh73
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CW: its a vise (vice) and it's steel so hell yes it counts and it has style. very nice and looks like a keeper.
Mtesh: i think that CW wanted to know if the 112 pound C2 was huge which i think it is, but yours almost looks small next to the C3. nice line up by the way with the C1, C2 & C3 on your bench.
CC: great vises, but we need more facts when you post those when you have time. did you restore them, what size because you don't have a $1 or a beer close by and is that the only 2 or do you have a few more. very nice.
DIF, i am missing the C3, man do i wish i had one. the search continues. i haven't weighed the C2, but 112 pounds sounds right on according to my back muscles. current line up is a C0, C1, and C2.
JeremyBurke
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That x-y table is very cool and I am jealous of your's actually having the vise blocks.
CwazyWabbit
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That was a deja vu moment for me!
About 10 years ago (maybe longer) I was dumping some rubbish at the local council dump and I spied (and retrieved) this.
Unfortunately it needs a repair, no doubt why it was dumped.
I'll be intersted to know what you find out about them.
CwazyWabbit
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There is an advert for the "Mastercraft milling table for the drill press" in Railroad Model Craftsman, Volume 7 from 1938.
Found in google books, here's the part of the ad that it displays
Sorry, but I don't know anything about a handle lock. I was only referring to the ball shape (as opposed to the flattened) of the spindle. I'm almost finished refurbishing my 2C, so I'll look for that lock....
drivesitfar
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BB: i should let Ex and AutoPts speak to what they are saying, but i'm "guessing" they didn't mean the change in style. Parker had these holes drilled in their handles were you can put a couple parts in and then a screw to lock the handle in the middle for speed open and closing. I've had the flu this past week so i might be mis understanding what they meant. here's a few pictures of McB's Parker and Ritzbliz actually makes handle like this if you want that option and this is one of his handles.
Mtesh: i was thinking it didn't look quite big enough for a C3 and excuse me reading your post to quick. still a very nice collection and even though you'd like a C3 i bet you haven't found any jobs that C2 can't handle which i think it Wilton's best vise other than the Baby Bullets.
Jeremy: it's been a long search to find a replacement since you wanted my original one so i hope it works. once i get it in my hands i'll let you take measurements so maybe you can make the clamps if you haven't found some before then.
CW: talking about Deja Vu i used to own one until Jeremy wanted mine to sit on the stand up Walker Turner drill press i sold him. do you still have yours? i'll let you know what i find out, but it might be a while so stay tuned or let me know if you google or find something else.
EDIT: sorry Ex i don't think Reed's had that option, but it looked like a prior owner might have done it with yours if there is a hole in your ball. here's my Morgan that has a POS bolt in it for a crude but effective method.
sorry BB maybe i was wrong unless Autopts speaks up
Mtesh: i was thinking it didn't look quite big enough for a C3 and excuse me reading your post to quick. still a very nice collection and even though you'd like a C3 i bet you haven't found any jobs that C2 can't handle which i think it Wilton's best vise other than the Baby Bullets.
Jeremy: it's been a long search to find a replacement since you wanted my original one so i hope it works. once i get it in my hands i'll let you take measurements so maybe you can make the clamps if you haven't found some before then.
CW: talking about Deja Vu i used to own one until Jeremy wanted mine to sit on the stand up Walker Turner drill press i sold him. do you still have yours? i'll let you know what i find out, but it might be a while so stay tuned or let me know if you google or find something else.
EDIT: sorry Ex i don't think Reed's had that option, but it looked like a prior owner might have done it with yours if there is a hole in your ball. here's my Morgan that has a POS bolt in it for a crude but effective method.
sorry BB maybe i was wrong unless Autopts speaks up
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CwazyWabbit
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DrivesItFar Yep I still have mine, it's been sitting on a shelf in the shed since I found it .... I should probably do something with it.
Mine has slots in the base to bolt it down, I can seem to see these on yours.
Mine has slots in the base to bolt it down, I can seem to see these on yours.
Blame it on the cough medicine LOL!
I misunderstood what you were saying myself, didn't realize you were talking about the center hole.
454ragtop
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Drivesitfar, Mastercraft is the manufacturer for that cross slide table, have one just like it. Yours even has the often missing vise jaws, we're getting ready to do a group buy of the castings for those over on OWWM.
Jim
Jim
CwazyWabbit
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Is the extra face on the moving jaw a standard part as in this picture? I've not seen it in any other pictures.
topop101
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ok, a single lock down and a bolt with acorn nut on the opposite side.
454ragtop
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Is the extra face on the moving jaw a standard part as in this picture? I've not seen it in any other pictures.
Detail pics here http://www.owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=156754
Jim
CwazyWabbit
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Cheers Jim
Outlawmws
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454, what size are the T slots in the mastercraft? I have an Atlas/Craftsman very similar, also missing the vise jaws.
Are sign-ups still going on for that?
blackoakcutter
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I picked this Fulton 13-1/2 up today. It's a beast. It's been abused and has sat outside for mlany years. It will need a lot of TLC, but I think I can get it back to shape. The front jaw has the most damage. I was wondering the best fix for it. It's the largest vise I have seen in person. I'm guessing 150-175lbs. It was all this 6' 235lbs man wanted today while packing it to my truck. It about got me down.
Is there any way to determine it's age? I have started cleaning it up and will try to come up with the best way to fix the front jaw. It doesn't have replaceable jaw inserts so I will have to cut out the old damaged piece and fabricate something to replace it with. Any info on it will be appreciated.
It makes my bigest Wilton look tiny
I assume 13-1/3 is the what it opens to but when I took it apart it was 16" before the threads ran out between the two jaws.
It has more damage to it. It looks like the front knob on the lead screw was bronken off and welded back on and whoever did it must have been cockeyed because it's not even centered
Here's a good picture to show the size of the vise. That's an Echo 3400 saw beside it.
Jaw damage. Can it be fixed? This vise will never again as long as I'm alive see any abuse like it's has seen. I plan on using it, but have much safer undamaged vises on hand to use. I don't have the paper work saying I'm a welder, but in 35 years of striking an arc, I never had anything come apart that I welded that I was serious about.
The knob and the handle is really screwed up so I made a new one tonight. Whoever welded the original one back on after it broke must have been blind. it is way off center, crooked and his welding skills sucked.
Is there any way to determine it's age? I have started cleaning it up and will try to come up with the best way to fix the front jaw. It doesn't have replaceable jaw inserts so I will have to cut out the old damaged piece and fabricate something to replace it with. Any info on it will be appreciated.
It makes my bigest Wilton look tiny
I assume 13-1/3 is the what it opens to but when I took it apart it was 16" before the threads ran out between the two jaws.
It has more damage to it. It looks like the front knob on the lead screw was bronken off and welded back on and whoever did it must have been cockeyed because it's not even centered
Here's a good picture to show the size of the vise. That's an Echo 3400 saw beside it.
Jaw damage. Can it be fixed? This vise will never again as long as I'm alive see any abuse like it's has seen. I plan on using it, but have much safer undamaged vises on hand to use. I don't have the paper work saying I'm a welder, but in 35 years of striking an arc, I never had anything come apart that I welded that I was serious about.
The knob and the handle is really screwed up so I made a new one tonight. Whoever welded the original one back on after it broke must have been blind. it is way off center, crooked and his welding skills sucked.
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drivesitfar
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BlackO: i think it's a bit newer than my early 1900's LM & V vise because Fulton i'm pretty sure bought that company out. maybe yours is 1920's. i'm about the same size as you and even though i can lift these big vises I've taken many all the way apart to put them in my Honda.
hard part about that is you need to learn how to put them back together without wearing yourself out holding up that 75 pound dynamic and trying to turn the screw in at the same time.
nice vise and post a few more pictures when you get a chance. ok? are the width of your jaws 6 inches wide?
hard part about that is you need to learn how to put them back together without wearing yourself out holding up that 75 pound dynamic and trying to turn the screw in at the same time.
nice vise and post a few more pictures when you get a chance. ok? are the width of your jaws 6 inches wide?
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It has 7" wide jaws. Yes I will get more picts soon. I will have help when I go back together with it. A guys got to be careful with one this size. About any part on it would mash, break a finger or a foot real easy.
sandman54
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Hi i have a 6 inch boley its on page 809 last entry on the page . Sandman54 be well
drivesitfar
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Sandman: instead of putting page # down can you put the post # because some of us have different page set ups? if you can email me pictures i'll post them for you if you are having problems posting yourself.
BO: i forgot to post a couple pictures of my LMV so here they are for your research. my dynamic jaw is actually held with a bolt on the back of the dynamic jaw that the main screw extends out side of. i'm missing a vise nut for mine and one of these day's i'll have one made.
Joe: did you ever get to see those machine gun vise mounts and do tell what happened? or did you just get a couple vises because the seller wanted too much money for the stands?
BO: i forgot to post a couple pictures of my LMV so here they are for your research. my dynamic jaw is actually held with a bolt on the back of the dynamic jaw that the main screw extends out side of. i'm missing a vise nut for mine and one of these day's i'll have one made.
Joe: did you ever get to see those machine gun vise mounts and do tell what happened? or did you just get a couple vises because the seller wanted too much money for the stands?
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topop101
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Unlike the one on ebay, mine has a hole on each side. After closer inspection, one side is built up for the lock down . The other side is not . So I'm guessing it would take a bolt with an acorn nut ???
The Fulton (F. M. V.) and L. M. V. timeline is fuzzy but I think I just figured it out.
Timeline I have found.
1898 Lafayette Wetmore (1857-1910) acquired the Lowville Iron works.
1902 After a fire Wetmore built a new factory near the Lowville rail yard.
https://books.google.com/books?id=g...AQ#v=onepage&q=Lafayette Wetmore vise&f=false
1905 "The Fulton Machine and Vise Co. has been incorporated to manufacture vises, pumps, etc. The incorporators are Edwin W. Fulton and Mason M. Swan, both of Watertown N.Y.; Lafayette Wetmore, Lowville N.Y. and others. The capital is $30,000
https://books.google.com/books?id=e...BA#v=onepage&q=Lafayette Wetmore vise&f=false
1907 the 5 year old plant burns down! "The company was organized for the purpose of manufacturing swivel vises of Mr. Fulton's invention. The entire plant was destroyed by fire, May 19, 1907, causing a loss of $22,000, of which $10,000 was not covered by insurance. Arrangements were immediately made to rebuild. A new two-story modern concrete factory was erected and equipped with the latest machinery and tools, and business resumed in the new plant Oct. 1, 1907. In June the capital stock of the corporation was increased from $30,000 to $50,000 in order to provide for the new plant and increased volume of business. The company is now (1910) making a large assortment of high-grade vises and pumps, and find a market for the product in all parts of the world."
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hubbard/NNY_index/fulton.html
1924 Fulton goes to work for Oswego. My computer has a hard time downloading this PDF from the Aug 19, 1924 Oswego Daily times. The highlights are:
1. At the time he controlled the Atlas Vise Co, Inc and Velox Vise Co, Inc, of Lowville N.Y.
2. He was for many years with the Prentice Vise Co.
3. Up to 3 years ago he was with the Fulton Machine and Vise Co WHICH HAS RECENTLY REORGANIZED AS THE LOWVILLE VISE CO.http://www.fultonhistory.com/Proces... Oswego Daily Times June-Aug 1924 - 0508.pdf
1930 The Fulton, now Lowville, vice company apparently closes.
https://books.google.com/books?id=i...wAQ#v=onepage&q=lowville machine vise&f=false
So apparently Fulton was BEFORE Lowville.
And Fulton marked vises are from approximately 1905-1924, LMV from 1924-1930.
My head hurts. Time for a beer!
Timeline I have found.
1898 Lafayette Wetmore (1857-1910) acquired the Lowville Iron works.
1902 After a fire Wetmore built a new factory near the Lowville rail yard.
https://books.google.com/books?id=g...AQ#v=onepage&q=Lafayette Wetmore vise&f=false
1905 "The Fulton Machine and Vise Co. has been incorporated to manufacture vises, pumps, etc. The incorporators are Edwin W. Fulton and Mason M. Swan, both of Watertown N.Y.; Lafayette Wetmore, Lowville N.Y. and others. The capital is $30,000
https://books.google.com/books?id=e...BA#v=onepage&q=Lafayette Wetmore vise&f=false
1907 the 5 year old plant burns down! "The company was organized for the purpose of manufacturing swivel vises of Mr. Fulton's invention. The entire plant was destroyed by fire, May 19, 1907, causing a loss of $22,000, of which $10,000 was not covered by insurance. Arrangements were immediately made to rebuild. A new two-story modern concrete factory was erected and equipped with the latest machinery and tools, and business resumed in the new plant Oct. 1, 1907. In June the capital stock of the corporation was increased from $30,000 to $50,000 in order to provide for the new plant and increased volume of business. The company is now (1910) making a large assortment of high-grade vises and pumps, and find a market for the product in all parts of the world."
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hubbard/NNY_index/fulton.html
1924 Fulton goes to work for Oswego. My computer has a hard time downloading this PDF from the Aug 19, 1924 Oswego Daily times. The highlights are:
1. At the time he controlled the Atlas Vise Co, Inc and Velox Vise Co, Inc, of Lowville N.Y.
2. He was for many years with the Prentice Vise Co.
3. Up to 3 years ago he was with the Fulton Machine and Vise Co WHICH HAS RECENTLY REORGANIZED AS THE LOWVILLE VISE CO.http://www.fultonhistory.com/Proces... Oswego Daily Times June-Aug 1924 - 0508.pdf
1930 The Fulton, now Lowville, vice company apparently closes.
https://books.google.com/books?id=i...wAQ#v=onepage&q=lowville machine vise&f=false
So apparently Fulton was BEFORE Lowville.
And Fulton marked vises are from approximately 1905-1924, LMV from 1924-1930.
My head hurts. Time for a beer!
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KMScott
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Got you covered Sandman, Here is your Boley 150 (6" jaws) I added a couple more of your 6" vises like your Leinen 150. Some day you will share pictures of your 7" and 8" vises. You are getting a nice collection. Do not mind Drives he likes posts done a certain way.
blackoakcutter, if you cut a pocket and install 5/16 or 3/8 threads on 4" centers I would be happy to cut your serrations for you in replaceable jaws. If you made them out of A2 Toolsteel then I would even heat treat them for you. I would love to see that vise put back together. Good luck and can not wait to see how you fix this gem.
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454ragtop
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Outlaw, they are actually Atlas jaws we're getting castings for,but since they're rough castings they can be machined to fit either,may even be the same. Check with Bob in the OWWM thread, if too late I ordered an extra set for future use.
Jim
Outlawmws
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Thanks, I posted there (First post! member over a year!
) Had to resurrect my PW, and then the forum would not work like they were down... 
Has anyone posted a price for these?
454ragtop
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Thanks, I posted there (First post! member over a year!
Has anyone posted a price for these?
No, no price yet. It's one of those Amish deals, can't just call and get a number. I trust the price will be more than fair. The Cat Tail foundry is very highly recommended, their castings seem to be of very high quality.
Jim
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Appreciate the info on the Fultons. After that you deserve a shot of Crown instead of a beer.
I did a Google search but couldn't find much on Fulton vises but I'm computer dumb and probably did it wrong.
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joe.striper
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Weather conspired against me. Seller is elderly and recently it has been brutal up here, so she begged off until it is back in the mid 30s. I will post here with a ton of pics when I get out there. I can guarantee you I will buy one of those vise stands if they are under $600. I may be dragging a couple of board members with me as well.
joe.striper
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NJ Marty, would you like to share your new acquisition with all of us????
mtesh73
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DIF: nothing i have thrown at the C2 begs another inch. i concur, the best vise in my lineup. my back can't take much more of this either.
Blue Frog
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For those of you who live in central Ohio, and are looking for a pedestal for a vise, there's a vintage Delta pedestal grinder on Columbus C/L. The grinder is listed as a 7", which was probably an 8" originally. The pedestal looks quite sturdy.
At 8:30 pm - it's gone!
Blue
At 8:30 pm - it's gone!
Blue
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Outlawmws
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I'm pretty much a lurker when it comes this thread. It's one of my favs, just scared that I'm going to get the Vise vice...
Thought I would share this though. My 14 year old son picked up this little 3.5" Dunlap at a pawnshop a while back. It was rusted up and heavily beat on with gashes on the front face of the dynamic jaw and a really deep gash on the anvil area. The swivel lock down lever was bent to the extreme as well.
With the exception of re-bending the swivel lever, cutting off the acme screw lock collar, and a dunk in a buddies electrolysis bath, he performed all of the dis-assembly, cleaning, prepping, painting, polishing and reassembly on his own.
I think he did pretty well for his first ever vise restoration...
Thought I would share this though. My 14 year old son picked up this little 3.5" Dunlap at a pawnshop a while back. It was rusted up and heavily beat on with gashes on the front face of the dynamic jaw and a really deep gash on the anvil area. The swivel lock down lever was bent to the extreme as well.
With the exception of re-bending the swivel lever, cutting off the acme screw lock collar, and a dunk in a buddies electrolysis bath, he performed all of the dis-assembly, cleaning, prepping, painting, polishing and reassembly on his own.
I think he did pretty well for his first ever vise restoration...
firemanast
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CRTDI
He did a great job it turned out wonderful and you should be very proud !
He did a great job it turned out wonderful and you should be very proud !