Above 1200 Sq/FT The Warthog Hidey Hole

[jbmatth]

FYI: 5" exhaust has become the normal in the performance diesel world, gotta let these motors breath. Honestly most people buy the 5" for the depth of the exhaust tone vs a 4". The stock 3.5 Is just too small for these modern diesels.


Nice garage project

Cummins Guy,
I would agree that the 3.5" (90mm) exhaust is restrictive especially with the muffler and cat, but going to 4" (102mm) increases your flow area only 30.61% compared to going with a 5" (127mm) exhaust at 104.08% over stock. However for the Duramax engines in the '01-'07 trucks you would still have the limiting factor of the downpipe at 3" (76mm)for even the best aftermarket one which has 36.11% less flow area than the stock exhaust, 77.78% less than the 4", and a whopping 177.78% less than the 5" exhaust. I'd have to see some actuall test results on a Duramax before I would spend the extra to go from the 4" I currently have on up to a 5".

Now for you Cummins guys, well you have it made and stop teasing me with your access space, ease of repairs, and easy power gains.

Okay now I'm curious, I have to do some research on what benefits I could gain. Off to google, hi ho Silver away!
JB

 

[jbmatth]

I have been working on two things this week so far, one is removing the rear axle from B.B.B., the other is working toward installing the lift. I was able to get the axle removed last night before the girls made it home from visiting Grandma after dance:
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That was a fun experience, I always enjoy fighting axle U bolts, they always seem to have way too many threads to where even a deep socket won't reach, are rusty but thick enough they won't break. I eventually was able to remove 5 of the 8 and loosen the other 3 to move the hangers out of the way. All in all I have about 2 hours into removing it, but it is done now and ready for the next owner to pick it up Saturday.

No pictures of the lift work just yet, I'm cleaning up the concrete and the light boxes in prep to install the lights and test them prior to moving the lift over to stand it up.

My work time was cut short this morning due to rain, the shop was leaking about normal until it started to rain a monsoon, 6.5" 165 mm) in about an hour and a half. That caused issues, there was so much water coming down the hill it overwhelmed everything and filled up the area by the south main bad door and ran over and into the shop. I now have 1-2" (25-50 mm) of standing water everywhere! Oh well, it is what it is I guess. Good news was with all of the lightening I was able to catch a few good shots with my phone:

These were taken at 4:00 am, no lights on in or around the house or shop, the only flash was from the lightening, pretty neat even if they are a bit blurry.

Time to dry out,
JB

 

[bonecrrusher]

Hey JB - I just went through putting an aftermarket exhaust on my Duramax - and I understand not wanting to go with the expense of a 5" kit with the factory downpipe being 3".

I ended up with a Jamo 4" stainless catback - no cat or muffler. I added an FTE 30"x4" stainless steel resonator - and the Corsa front 4" kit - and I really like it.

I really wanted the Corsa muffler - but they stopped making it.

I've got less then $500 in the whole system - all stainless - and like it wayyy better then stock.

http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/10521490-post100.html

Heres my install thread - and a video clip on the bottom of it.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Sorry to hear about your water problems. Really need to get that fixed!

Big exhaust does look cool, but isn't there a limit as to how big does any practical good? GM didn't put a 3" exhaust in by mistake.

 

[BUGTHUG]

was wondering if you were still kickin?

 

[jbmatth]

All,
I am still alive, I've just been working way too many hours and have been very busy outside of work too. For the past month it has been wake up at 3 PM, eat, run, shower, leave for work by 4 PM. Work all night, get home at 7 AM, kiss the family as they leave, shower and in bed by 7:30 AM. I had one night off a couple weekends ago and made some good progress in The Warthog Hidey Hole that I'll share with you over the next week or so. I haven't even logged into the G.J. for almost a month now and I was having withdrawals. More to come soon though I promise you.

Hey JB - I just went through putting an aftermarket exhaust on my Duramax - and I understand not wanting to go with the expense of a 5" kit with the factory downpipe being 3".

I ended up with a Jamo 4" stainless catback - no cat or muffler. I added an FTE 30"x4" stainless steel resonator - and the Corsa front 4" kit - and I really like it.

I really wanted the Corsa muffler - but they stopped making it.

I've got less then $500 in the whole system - all stainless - and like it wayyy better then stock.

http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/10521490-post100.html

Heres my install thread - and a video clip on the bottom of it.

After installing my 4" I don't think I really would have been able to fit a 5" without hitting stuff under the truck. I'll check it out as I catch back up on the happenings here.

Sorry to hear about your water problems. Really need to get that fixed!

Big exhaust does look cool, but isn't there a limit as to how big does any practical good? GM didn't put a 3" exhaust in by mistake.

Andy,
I agree, for what I have performance wise in my truck 4" is more than adaquate and will be unless I start going for 700+ hp. I assume the stock exhaust was more to control sound than getting every last bit of performance out of the engine. I think it was 3.5" but haven't slept much lately.

was wondering if you were still kickin?

Herb,
As above, I am still alive, just very busy and tired. I have some good news for you on your hearse though, feel free to call me and I'll tell you about it, otherwise you'll have to wait like everyone else.

JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

October is Turnaround Month, after all.

 

[BUGTHUG]

now you have my curiosity up??

 

[jbmatth]

October is Turnaround Month, after all.

That is is Andy, I worked an average of 13.25 hours a day for right at 4 weeks straight, or 93 hour weeks only getting one day off that was mandated by the company as well as limited to 14 hours a day. Now this time next year the Alky is coming down and is scheduled for 39 days and I'll be there for every one of those.

now you have my curiosity up??

Herb,
Wait no longer, well maybe a little longer I have a few other things to catch ya'll up on first.

All,
To "celebrate" the end of driving season for my cobra I took my youngest daughter for her first ride to get some ice cream:
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She had a good time even if it did mess her hair up a bit and she couldn't keep the hat and glasses on her little head. She loved the rush of the rowing the gears though.

Next my youngest brother managed to find a fun car:

It is a 1966 Mustang with a 289 and auto trans, the crazy part is it only has 41,000 miles (65,600 kms). It is a 2 owner car that has spent its entire life in their home town. And yes it was owned by a little old lady that my family has known for many many years.

Proud new owner, not bad for $9,000!

Hearse updates in the next post.
JB

 

[jbmatth]

Now time for the Herb's Hearse and the lift install:

I'd previously tried to lift the columns with no luck being able to get them high enough with just the cherry picker:
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I was chocking it a little too high, on my one day (night) off I was polishing some aluminum and was tired of that so I decided to try on more time before having to either rent something or call for help. I chocked it lower down by the release lever and was able to get them stood up. Except I didn't have a beer because I was soon to be working at heights and working alone. I stood both of them up by hand and was so excited I didn't get any photos so you will have to use your imagination.

Now to back up a little I tried out the lights in the floor, hopefully I'm not repeating this but don't think so. This is one of my favorite pictures of the pre-lift installation:
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Now with it all together and working it was time to give it the maiden voyage:

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It works!!!!!

Some glamour shots for Herb:
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I'm really excited to have this installed finely and even if it was a little sketchy at times it went off without incident, not even a scratch on me or the paint. Now it is time to really get cranking on the Hearse for Herb, I really feel bad for the little amount of progress I've made on it but have been able to get some projects done that make the resurrection go much smoother and will give a better end result. Now back to work and catching up on everyone elses projects and progress.

JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

A long path but GREAT results! Congratulations!

I was going to really rib you if I got my lift up first, but now I can't.

I love the lights in the floor. I'll admit I thought that was a little dumb when I first saw your idea but the results are fantastic.

Looks like an operating room under there, any proctologist would be proud!

Glad you figured out rigging immediately above the balance point makes lifting and adjusting the columns easier. If I had brought Bob up to lift the columns I was going to try to show you how without unloading him

All in all tremendous progress, Kudos from OK

 

[1/2 Cup]

JB, just awesome.

The lift done and dusted..

Your floor lights look sweet, thank you for the update..

Regards

 

[vonhef]

I am so excited for you about the lift... you will like it I am sure. The lighting in the floor is a great idea.

 

[BUGTHUG]

OH YEAH! That's exciting, glad to see the post in the vertical position. Glad to see you can light up under her skirt
Let the games begin!!

 

[jbmatth]

A long path but GREAT results! Congratulations!

I was going to really rib you if I got my lift up first, but now I can't.

I love the lights in the floor. I'll admit I thought that was a little dumb when I first saw your idea but the results are fantastic.

Looks like an operating room under there, any proctologist would be proud!

Glad you figured out rigging immediately above the balance point makes lifting and adjusting the columns easier. If I had brought Bob up to lift the columns I was going to try to show you how without unloading him

All in all tremendous progress, Kudos from OK

Andy,
Thanks for the Kudos and the kind words, I didn't rig the column that low initially because I thought it would be below the C.O.G., turns out it was easily .25" above it.

The pictures don't do the lights justice, I'll try to get better photos with my camera as my phone just doesn't cut it in low light. You know you should do the same, it won't be that much extra effort.

My excuse for not having it done earlier is that I just didn't have the time, but in reality I was just scared to do the work on my own. Now you can call me feminine names and question my abilities that I've admitted my fears for the world to see. I'm making my way down the list of threads and I'm afraid I'll be 20 pages behind on some of them like yours.

JB, just awesome.

The lift done and dusted..

Your floor lights look sweet, thank you for the update..

Regards

1/2,
The lift may be done, but the lights are on temporary power for the time being, I still have to get them hardwired in and install a switch. Thanks for the props though, more to come.

I am so excited for you about the lift... you will like it I am sure. The lighting in the floor is a great idea.

Hef,
Thank you, I am very excited about the lift, I've lifted and lowered it many times just to gaze at the wonder of how easy it is. I used it to remove the front diff. on B.B.B. this weekend and it only took 30 minutes, access probably played a huge role in that. One thing I will probably install in the future is a D ring in the floor to attach a winch, rolling around 3 ton vehicles by hand is no fun whatsoever.

JB

 

[jbmatth]

OH YEAH! That's exciting, glad to see the post in the vertical position. Glad to see you can light up under her skirt
Let the games begin!!

Herb,
You snuck one in on me, I must say this is the first time I've ever actually been excited to look under the skirt of a girl that is 68 years old.

The games have begun!

JB

 

[BUGTHUG]

That old Mustang is sweet! Man its nice the old lady sold it, and some young nephew didn't inherit it to molest.
Looks like the daughter is happy in the Cobra, you need to stretch it out to a 4 door to get all the family in

 

[oldironfarmer]

Herb,
I must say this is the first time I've ever actually been excited to look under the skirt of a girl that is 68 years old.


JB

You'll eat those words! My girl passed 68 and is 69, and it's still pretty exciting.

Time for a story. My wife and her carpool partner (who happens to ride with me to Zumba now) were driving separately one day and I happened to be behind them as they pulled off in Sand Springs to get gas. This was before cell phones, and they didn't know I was behind them. I whipped up in the lane on the other side of the pump she had pulled up to, jumped out grabbing a rag from the truck. I was able to walk around the pumps and surprise them before my wife could get out of the car. Wiping my hands I approached the window as she rolled it down smiling because she knew she would not have to pump gas. So I said "Fill 'er up? Check under that skirt?" Cracked up her carpool buddy.

 

[jabin]

Big props for a big update, the lights are GREAT and the lift is good too

I'm glad she got to go ride with you on the last day, great memories for you guys!!

I"ll be heading to Enid in 2 weeks for the holidays. Keep the good weather around for me if you don't mind.

My first car was a 1968 Mustang, coupe, 289 Auto. Green with black interior. I have great memories of my dad and I working on that car.

 

[BUGTHUG]

Herb,
You snuck one in on me, I must say this is the first time I've ever actually been excited to look under the skirt of a girl that is 68 years old.

The games have begun!

JB

you know what you might see under the skirt of a 68 year old girl?? "depends"

 

[jbmatth]

You'll eat those words! My girl passed 68 and is 69, and it's still pretty exciting.

Time for a story. My wife and her carpool partner (who happens to ride with me to Zumba now) were driving separately one day and I happened to be behind them as they pulled off in Sand Springs to get gas. This was before cell phones, and they didn't know I was behind them. I whipped up in the lane on the other side of the pump she had pulled up to, jumped out grabbing a rag from the truck. I was able to walk around the pumps and surprise them before my wife could get out of the car. Wiping my hands I approached the window as she rolled it down smiling because she knew she would not have to pump gas. So I said "Fill 'er up? Check under that skirt?" Cracked up her carpool buddy.

you know what you might see under the skirt of a 68 year old girl?? "depends"

Okay okay, I'll eat my words er uh at least explain more, in my previous 30 years I've never been excited to look under the skirt of a 68 year old. Now in 38 years when my wife gets to the 38th anniversary of her 30th birthday I'm sure I'll change my tone.

Big props for a big update, the lights are GREAT and the lift is good too

I'm glad she got to go ride with you on the last day, great memories for you guys!!

I"ll be heading to Enid in 2 weeks for the holidays. Keep the good weather around for me if you don't mind.

My first car was a 1968 Mustang, coupe, 289 Auto. Green with black interior. I have great memories of my dad and I working on that car.

I'll try to keep the weather nice for you, it is supposed to be around 80 tomorrow! Hopefully my brother takes care of that car and doesn't try to spend too much money on it until he is either out of college or trade school or whatever. But if he gets into a bind and has to sell it, I guess I'll be there to lend a hand.

JB

P.S. I found a couple of new pieces of equipment that are going to follow me home today after work, one I won't be able to load alone, and the other will be a struggle.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy,

My excuse for not having it done earlier is that I just didn't have the time, but in reality I was just scared to do the work on my own. Now you can call me feminine names and question my abilities that I've admitted my fears for the world to see.

JB

I'm glad you made that comment. I regularly tell my wife I'm scared of doing something. In reality, it is apprehension of not feeling competent and putting it off to think about it and making sure I'm ready to tackle it. Usually it is when the consequences of doing a poor job can be great, like dropping your lift or cutting a hole in an exterior wall in the wrong place. I was scared of putting the head back on Bob. I didn't want to have a blown gasket and have to tear it down again. You can call it prudent reticence. But I call it being scared, too. After the stews cooks for a while it is always better, and in the same vein I always ask myself "what was I scared about?" after I've let a job stew for a while. When waiting is not an option I dive in and it gets done, I don't have time to be scared.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Okay okay, I'll eat my words er uh at least explain more, in my previous 30 years I've never been excited to look under the skirt of a 68 year old. Now in 38 years when my wife gets to the 38th anniversary of her 30th birthday I'm sure I'll change my tone.

Of course all us old guys knew exactly where you were coming from and how your perspective will change. I just enjoyed calling you on it.

Picture of my wife from a few years ago. You know your spouse always looks, in your mind, like she did in her (and your) younger years.

She's a looker. And I don't have to ask for concurrence.

 

[jbmatth]

I'm glad you made that comment. I regularly tell my wife I'm scared of doing something. In reality, it is apprehension of not feeling competent and putting it off to think about it and making sure I'm ready to tackle it. Usually it is when the consequences of doing a poor job can be great, like dropping your lift or cutting a hole in an exterior wall in the wrong place. I was scared of putting the head back on Bob. I didn't want to have a blown gasket and have to tear it down again. You can call it prudent reticence. But I call it being scared, too. After the stews cooks for a while it is always better, and in the same vein I always ask myself "what was I scared about?" after I've let a job stew for a while. When waiting is not an option I dive in and it gets done, I don't have time to be scared.

That is very true Andy, I don't have the time or money to be scared to do anything. If I wait until I know what I'm doing it'll never get done because I'll never learn how. Now I do know how to stand the columns up on my own, in that same vane, I also know I don't know how to finish concrete, or do my own dental work.

JB

 

[BUGTHUG]

Of course all us old guys knew exactly where you were coming from and how your perspective will change. I just enjoyed calling you on it.

Picture of my wife from a few years ago. You know your spouse always looks, in your mind, like she did in her (and your) younger years.

She's a looker. And I don't have to ask for concurrence.

Yes she is I think she might of married down? (not really) jk

 

[Lyndon]

I'm glad you made that comment. I regularly tell my wife I'm scared of doing something. In reality, it is apprehension of not feeling competent and putting it off to think about it and making sure I'm ready to tackle it. Usually it is when the consequences of doing a poor job can be great, like dropping your lift or cutting a hole in an exterior wall in the wrong place. I was scared of putting the head back on Bob. I didn't want to have a blown gasket and have to tear it down again. You can call it prudent reticence. But I call it being scared, too. After the stews cooks for a while it is always better, and in the same vein I always ask myself "what was I scared about?" after I've let a job stew for a while. When waiting is not an option - I dive in and it gets done, I don't have time to be scared.

That is very true Andy, I don't have the time or money to be scared to do anything. If I wait until I know what I'm doing it'll never get done because I'll never learn how. Now I do know how to stand the columns up on my own, in that same vane, I also know I don't know how to finish concrete, or do my own dental work.

JB

Andy/JB

Wise advice from the both of you. I like those thoughts, and will keep them with me. . . . . For the day when my energy levels come back up!

Lyndon
Interested.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Yes she is I think she might of married down? (not really) jk

Thanks, I know she married down, but I guess she was desperate.

37 years later she's pretty happy.

 

[jbmatth]

Andy/JB

Wise advice from the both of you. I like those thoughts, and will keep them with me. . . . . For the day when my energy levels come back up!

Lyndon
Interested.

Lyndon,
I don't know if anyone has ever taken my advice before, I guess do so at your own risk. Oh wait, that bit was actually good advice I guess, well then use away!

Thanks, I know she married down, but I guess she was desperate.

37 years later she's pretty happy.

Andy,
In my best S.E. Okie accent, you dun well son! Anyone who can stay together with their husband/wife for 37 years has to be doing something right.

All,
I've had some pretty good luck lately selling parts off of B.B.B., I sold the transmission a few weeks ago, and the injectors and transfer case yesterday. I'm a bit ahead now so I decided to spend some of that "hard earned" money. I picked up a couple of pieces from someone near here that I used to work with. First is this Pexto shear:
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I didn't measure the bed capacity, but did note this:
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It'll handle 16 gauge material and does so with ease:
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Also something to note:
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It was bought by the refinery I work in to be used in the insulators shop for cutting aluminum jacketing. It has led a pretty easy life other than it is dirty and has some random paint spots from years of use. It operates flawlessly and will be a benefit in the future...hopefully.

I also picked up this from the same gentleman:
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As you can see it is also Pexto brand, once again I didn't measure the width, but gave it a test run with some scrap 16 gauge:
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Sorry for the alcohol can but it was the only thing I could thing of at the time that I had available. I was able to roll a complete circle and release the end by the handle to pull it off. Thinking about it now I should have used a spray can for scale, oh well. Sadly I didn't read the label until later:
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It is only rated for 22 ga material, glad that was just a small test piece near the supported ends. It as well works flawlessly and is very smooth, eventually they will both be restored but will just add them to the bottom of the to do list...Now where is that list anyway? Oh yeah the list said 1. Make a to do list 2. Check 1 off the list 3. Realize you've completed 3 items already and forget about the rest of the list. So mark that D. U. N. DUN!

Keep moving forward,
JB

 

[Mike.ASC]

Matt, Your really making some great progress with your shop. I have enjoyed following the transition and the acquisition of equipment.

 

[jbmatth]

Thank you Mike, but please call me JB, or Jay, or JBMatth, or really anything as long as you don't call me late for supper. :hitti Matth is part of my last name and it just seems odd for whatever reason.

Speaking of names, the gentleman I purchased this equipment from not only had the same first name as me up also the same last name. That was the first time in my life I've ever met someone with the same name even though it is realtivily common. On top of that his son and grandson were also there and had the same name. The simple things in life make me smile. LOL

I didn't mention it earlier but I actually picked them both up for $650, not a you **** price, but still a reasonable deal I think. A quick look on thE bay had the shear (37" capacity) at $800 plus, and the roller (36" capacity) at $325 plus.

JB

 

[Mike.ASC]

I apologize for some reason I just assumed your first name was Matt, now I get it. Thanks for the clarification .

 

[1/2 Cup]

JB, you have some great scores there, well done.

 

[BUGTHUG]

Oh Yeah!
I can see some future use for those, great find and good deal.

 

[jbmatth]

I apologize for some reason I just assumed your first name was Matt, now I get it. Thanks for the clarification .

Mike,
Not a problem, I didn't even think about it looking like my first name was Matt until you mentioned it to me. My dad always jokes with me about being an engineer, he say JB math good, but cain't spell good words. If it weren't for those little squiggly red lines under most of my typing I'd have half of the spellings incorrect.

JB, you have some great scores there, well done.

Oh Yeah!
I can see some future use for those, great find and good deal.

Thank you 1/2 and Herb, I'm sure I'll find uses for them in the future. It would have really helped in cutting out those boxes for my floor lights.

JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

Great deal on the sheet metal tools.

IMHO you should abide by the shear capacity: it cuts from one end to the other. The slip roll, however, as you demonstrated, bends across the full width of the work so it will roll heavier metal safely based on the section modulus of the sheet you are bending. Since section modulus varies by the square of the thickness, you can roll double the thickness of 22 ga if you keep it no wider than 9". Still a nice size to roll 16 ga 9" wide, or 19 ga 18 inches wide, or 18 ga 14" wide. I could use that!

 

[dhubbard422]

JB, Nice score!

 

[jbmatth]

Andy,
I had to rack my brain for a bit there to remember the details about section modulus and how they related to bending. I "perform" those calculations regularly but have become lazy and built a spreadsheet that can get me results much faster than doing all of the math on my own. Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but the point of greatest deflection in the rollers would be the center if that is where the roll is being performed. If I were to roll a 10" wide piece of 16 ga at the supported end of the roller there would be less deflection than at the center using a 9" wide piece. The unknown potential would be the strength of the bearings and what is the weak link in the entire system. Maybe I just won't push my luck, and just roll with it as is.

JB

 

[jbmatth]

JB, Nice score!

Thank you,
I haven't really been looking for any new equipment lately so it was nice to find the shear pop up on my F.B. I went to check it out and he also had the roller which was also a nice surprise. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.
JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy,
I had to rack my brain for a bit there to remember the details about section modulus and how they related to bending. I "perform" those calculations regularly but have become lazy and built a spreadsheet that can get me results much faster than doing all of the math on my own. Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but the point of greatest deflection in the rollers would be the center if that is where the roll is being performed. If I were to roll a 10" wide piece of 16 ga at the supported end of the roller there would be less deflection than at the center using a 9" wide piece. The unknown potential would be the strength of the bearings and what is the weak link in the entire system. Maybe I just won't push my luck, and just roll with it as is.

JB

The only thing I calculated was the section modulus of the sheet being bent, as when you get to yield the force does not increase with additional bending. Equipment of that age will be over designed to withstand abuse. I'm not recommending you abuse it, but you don't have to baby it either. If you apply all the load in the center 10" of the rollers, and that load is equal to the design load for the entire 36" roller you will have more deflection however it will be minimal. Compare deflection of a continuously loaded 36" beam with deflection of the same total load over the center 10". You won't damage the rollers. As to rolling at one end, that obviously is better for the rollers and I would have no concern over the bearings. They will have ample safety factor built in. In reality, when you have a six inch piece of 16 gauge you should feel comfortable rolling it. Knowing the limit to match factory design loads will keep you out of trouble because you won't be operating at that limit often. Just an old engineer here, who sometimes thinks a little outside the box (know where that saying came from?).

 

[jbmatth]

Andy,
Sounds good to me and glad we are on the same page now. I don't actually know where that saying comes from, enlighten me please.
JB