oldironfarmer
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Great to see the progress!!
Are your roof leaks a thing of the past?
Are your roof leaks a thing of the past?
Above 1200 Sq/FT The Warthog Hidey Hole
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
I would hate to dissapoint, I found this Prince Costume
, but think the $18 would be better spent elsewhere, maybe next time.
HP Tuners seems to be the go to tuning software for LS swaps. I know there are a few people who tune their own cars in my area, one guy even has a couple of 1,000 hp twin turbo builds under his belt.
jb,
You've been busy as usual.
It makes me tired just keeping up with all you get done.
Great work on the frame table!
It will be stout.
The S-10 needs a V8.
The LQ4 will make a good hot rod engine!
Jon,
I'm surprised so many people think I get a lot done but I never seem to make much progress each morning, but I guess at the end of a week of mornings I get a solid 8 hours or more of work done. Thanks for the confidence on the frame table and the compliments, I sure hope it works out for as much time as I put into it. I do agree the S10 does need a V8, it also needs a name, do you have any suggestions?
Thank you Taumac, it keeps me off of the streets and out from behind bars.
Shorty,
I'll have to check that out, I hadn't seen the episode before, thanks for the link.
Andy,
No roof leaks in the past few weeks...of course it hasn't rained in the past few weeks either.
I still have a few holes I need to plug, I guess doing that in the morning wouldn't be a bad idea with the lights on inside the shop. Herb,
The '57 is getting love it just doesn't know it yet, I'm pulling some suspension parts off of the 'Vette now, then will mount it onto the frame table to make the jigs, then it is time to put the Pinky Pi on the lift, pull the body and install the frame for suspension fabrication.
JB
I'm back after taking a little time off last week from work, sadly I didn't get as much done as I'd wanted to on the Corvette or PPP (Project Pinky Pie) as I was Mr. Mom on every day I was in town, but did get to spend some quality time with my girls so that was nice. I managed to go deer hunting which was pretty relaxing and even managed to get a little 8 point:
After that I wasn't as worried about scaring the deer off so I took my youngest daughter back to an old dump site and started cleaning it up a little:
The cattle wanted to help out too, but with their lack of an opposable thumb they weren't much help:
Between what I could load up in my truck along with some leftovers from some vehicles I had 1,400 pounds in B.P. 2.0 and made $56.
The next update will have the C4 to PPP suspension work, so stay tuned.
JB
After that I wasn't as worried about scaring the deer off so I took my youngest daughter back to an old dump site and started cleaning it up a little:
The cattle wanted to help out too, but with their lack of an opposable thumb they weren't much help:
Between what I could load up in my truck along with some leftovers from some vehicles I had 1,400 pounds in B.P. 2.0 and made $56.
The next update will have the C4 to PPP suspension work, so stay tuned.
JB
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I started off by getting the Corvette onto the lift and removing the wheels and springs so I could cycle the suspension:
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Next I put the frame table under it and leveled it up:
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Next I installed my mock wheels, these are bolted to some wings bolted to the table I tacked them into place once the Corvette was at my desired ride height. I chose 7" (177.8mm), .1" (2.54mm) higher than the stock Corvette from what I could find, this will give me a little extra droop and still be in the standard operating range of the suspension to make PPP handle like a C4. At least that is the theory anyway. These also serve to mark the wheel center-line so I can put them under PPP and have the tire in the right location front to back.
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Here is a photo of it all mocked up:
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Here is a better view of it at ride height, not shown are the removable plates under the blocks that hold the body in place. Those blocks are tacked to the corvette and welded to the plates that bolt to the table to keep it secure to the table:
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Then I removed all of the suspension and the mock wheels, now I can see where all of the jigs need to be placed:
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View from the front, the "K" member is very beefy and will probably loose some parts that will not be used on PPP:
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Next are the mounting points for the jig, lots of 2" x 3/16" (50mm x 4.75mm) strap with lots of appropriately sized holes drilled:
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Another mounting tab for the "K" member:
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Then finely the rear suspension:
View media item 77357One tube is the "bat wing" for the rear suspension, the other is the shock location, the plate is where the 4 link bars mount, and not pictured is where the rear roll bar mounts. I used 1/2" sch. 160 pipe for all of these then bored them to the right size and couldn't resist turning the outside down to match what I'd used for the front shock mount points.
That is all for now, it was more work than I thought I'd gotten done since my last update and I'm ready to start building the structure that will weld in to mount all of this. I'm still thinking about exactly how to make them to where they can be removed easily and still be rigid.
JB
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Next I put the frame table under it and leveled it up:
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Next I installed my mock wheels, these are bolted to some wings bolted to the table I tacked them into place once the Corvette was at my desired ride height. I chose 7" (177.8mm), .1" (2.54mm) higher than the stock Corvette from what I could find, this will give me a little extra droop and still be in the standard operating range of the suspension to make PPP handle like a C4. At least that is the theory anyway. These also serve to mark the wheel center-line so I can put them under PPP and have the tire in the right location front to back.
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Here is a photo of it all mocked up:
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Here is a better view of it at ride height, not shown are the removable plates under the blocks that hold the body in place. Those blocks are tacked to the corvette and welded to the plates that bolt to the table to keep it secure to the table:
View media item 77352
Then I removed all of the suspension and the mock wheels, now I can see where all of the jigs need to be placed:
View media item 77353
View from the front, the "K" member is very beefy and will probably loose some parts that will not be used on PPP:
View media item 77354
Next are the mounting points for the jig, lots of 2" x 3/16" (50mm x 4.75mm) strap with lots of appropriately sized holes drilled:
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Another mounting tab for the "K" member:
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Then finely the rear suspension:
View media item 77357One tube is the "bat wing" for the rear suspension, the other is the shock location, the plate is where the 4 link bars mount, and not pictured is where the rear roll bar mounts. I used 1/2" sch. 160 pipe for all of these then bored them to the right size and couldn't resist turning the outside down to match what I'd used for the front shock mount points.
That is all for now, it was more work than I thought I'd gotten done since my last update and I'm ready to start building the structure that will weld in to mount all of this. I'm still thinking about exactly how to make them to where they can be removed easily and still be rigid.
JB
OutlawDrifter
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Nice progress JB, makes me feel silly for not going out and changing the PS pump on my 49!
Outlaw,
This was 12 days worth of work so don't feel too bad, but really a power steering pump...come on now.
One thing I will say is that drilling all of those holes took a lot of time. I used a transfer punch set and only drilled the holes large enough to get the bolts in and they all worked out great. Sadly each hole was at least 3 steps of drilling, most were 4, and the largest holes were 5 steps. The drill Dr. got a little bit of a workout.
JB
This was 12 days worth of work so don't feel too bad, but really a power steering pump...come on now.
One thing I will say is that drilling all of those holes took a lot of time. I used a transfer punch set and only drilled the holes large enough to get the bolts in and they all worked out great. Sadly each hole was at least 3 steps of drilling, most were 4, and the largest holes were 5 steps. The drill Dr. got a little bit of a workout.JB
oldironfarmer
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I'm finally understanding why you needed a rigid structure.
Nice work! No question when you get the 57 mounted to the points selected that the suspension will fit like factory.
Nice work! No question when you get the 57 mounted to the points selected that the suspension will fit like factory.
Thanks for the visit Dwight, I have a bit of a plan and hope it all works out but I'm flying by the seat of my pants more than I probably should be.
I'm finally understanding why you needed a rigid structure.
Nice work! No question when you get the 57 mounted to the points selected that the suspension will fit like factory.
Andy,
I'm glad it is at least as clear as mud now, it got a little murky there for a bit. I sure hope the suspension works, if the suspension is too high I can lower it slightly with a few available parts I've found. If it is too low the only real option is to get stiffer springs. I hope it doesn't come to that because I would rather have a little softer ride than an all out corner carver.
JB
One story I didn't have time to relay as part of my update yesterday was my brothers 65 Mustang. My youngest brother who I believe I shared a photo of before with his 66 Mustang, but here he is with it again:
He has owned that one for about a year and a half, be bought it the summer before his senior year in high school. Since he purchased it he has done a few small things under the hood, mostly to the outside of the engine like water pump, intake and exhaust gaskets etc. Well he and another of my brothers were asked to rebuild a deck for a fellow teacher. Knowing they liked cars she offered to pay them a little less but give them her "old car". That old car turned out to be a 65 Mustang with a 289 and in need or some work, but it "ran when parked". Here is a terrible photo of the car in my parents very dirty shed:
The now 19 year old brother took it upon himself to do the mechanical restoration on the car. He pulled all of the brake and fuel lines, gas tank, drum brakes and master cylinder. Rebuilt with all new components then started tearing into the engine. He even went as far as to pull the heads for some reason.
New water pump, gaskets, seals, all of the ignition system except the coil, just about everything was gone through. The two of them tried to start it a month or so back and it wouldn't even crank, and in the video there was a spark coming from somewhere near the distributor. I think they replaced the starter too but don't know for certain. During Thanksgiving I went home to give them a hand with the wiring and determine where the fault was. We cleaned up all of the wiring and verified continuity of all of them and everything checked out, we cleaned the contact points on everything, replaced a few wires and taped up the ones we didn't have a big enough gauge for. Turned the key and it cranked over just fine, but wouldn't fire. Discovered it wasn't getting fuel to the carb, resolved that and found it wasn't getting a very strong spark. Tried it again and when the fuel pump filled the carb is started leaking like a sieve. It would catch every now and then but just wouldn't start. I gave him some homework and he should be able to get it running pretty soon. Sorry for the long winded post but here is a photo of the engine bay to help make up for it:
Have a good one,
JB
He has owned that one for about a year and a half, be bought it the summer before his senior year in high school. Since he purchased it he has done a few small things under the hood, mostly to the outside of the engine like water pump, intake and exhaust gaskets etc. Well he and another of my brothers were asked to rebuild a deck for a fellow teacher. Knowing they liked cars she offered to pay them a little less but give them her "old car". That old car turned out to be a 65 Mustang with a 289 and in need or some work, but it "ran when parked". Here is a terrible photo of the car in my parents very dirty shed:
The now 19 year old brother took it upon himself to do the mechanical restoration on the car. He pulled all of the brake and fuel lines, gas tank, drum brakes and master cylinder. Rebuilt with all new components then started tearing into the engine. He even went as far as to pull the heads for some reason.
New water pump, gaskets, seals, all of the ignition system except the coil, just about everything was gone through. The two of them tried to start it a month or so back and it wouldn't even crank, and in the video there was a spark coming from somewhere near the distributor. I think they replaced the starter too but don't know for certain. During Thanksgiving I went home to give them a hand with the wiring and determine where the fault was. We cleaned up all of the wiring and verified continuity of all of them and everything checked out, we cleaned the contact points on everything, replaced a few wires and taped up the ones we didn't have a big enough gauge for. Turned the key and it cranked over just fine, but wouldn't fire. Discovered it wasn't getting fuel to the carb, resolved that and found it wasn't getting a very strong spark. Tried it again and when the fuel pump filled the carb is started leaking like a sieve. It would catch every now and then but just wouldn't start. I gave him some homework and he should be able to get it running pretty soon. Sorry for the long winded post but here is a photo of the engine bay to help make up for it:Have a good one,
JB
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Wow, that's some pretty crazy work going on with the C4. I can't wait to see more updates on that.
I saw that you mentioned the Drill Dr. How do you like it? I just picked one up on BF and am waiting for it in the mail.
I saw that you mentioned the Drill Dr. How do you like it? I just picked one up on BF and am waiting for it in the mail.
Alex,
Just like all good stories start... I saw someone do "X" on youtube, surely I can do it too right? For me it was Project Binky on the Bad Obsession Motorsports channel, along with several other people who have done similar but never really documented how they accomplished it.
I like the Drill Dr., I picked up the 750x, it works great on bits down to around 3/16", but is tougher on the 1/8" bit I use for pilot holes. I would get one again in a heartbeat, it is much better than buying new bits when they get dull and puts on a much more accurate point than when I try to use the grinder or belt sander.
JB
Just like all good stories start... I saw someone do "X" on youtube, surely I can do it too right? For me it was Project Binky on the Bad Obsession Motorsports channel, along with several other people who have done similar but never really documented how they accomplished it.
I like the Drill Dr., I picked up the 750x, it works great on bits down to around 3/16", but is tougher on the 1/8" bit I use for pilot holes. I would get one again in a heartbeat, it is much better than buying new bits when they get dull and puts on a much more accurate point than when I try to use the grinder or belt sander.
JB
oldironfarmer
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Great to see you helping your brother.
Keep the posts coming!
Keep the posts coming!
don long
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JB
That solid bench you are working on took me back to my body working days.
We had a bench simular to yours that we mounted the car on prior to pulling it straight. We had special jigs that mounted on the bench and lined up with certain holes or bolts under the car. We pulled the car with large porto powers hooked to "L" rails til the jigs fell into place. It was called the multi bench.
Nice start on the Vette.
That solid bench you are working on took me back to my body working days.
We had a bench simular to yours that we mounted the car on prior to pulling it straight. We had special jigs that mounted on the bench and lined up with certain holes or bolts under the car. We pulled the car with large porto powers hooked to "L" rails til the jigs fell into place. It was called the multi bench.
Nice start on the Vette.
It is always a fun experience working with any of my brothers. I have given out lots of free advise to both of them that are in on the '65 and I'm sure they will tell you it was worth every penny.
I'm to the point now where I'm making the jigs and it is very slow going notching the pipe with a grinder. I tried to use my little drill press with a hole saw to notch the tubing this morning and think I bent the spindle when the saw caught. 
I may have to take a hiatus to get it disassembled and repaired, I wonder if the machine shop here at work with help me out. I've seen some of those big frame straightening tables before and the are a marvel to behold, and not cheap either. That is why I had to make my own, I have about $200 into the steel, bolts, and casters but have a bit of steel left over. Glad I could bring back some memories for you, hopefully they were mostly good memories.
JB
I have the majority of the first jig done now:
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Wow it takes a lot of time to fit all of those little pieces together. I'm using black iron pipe from Lowes for all of this work as it is really easy to get but isn't the cheapest route. I'm using both 3/4" and 1/2" depending on where it is needed. I still may add a few more supports and will need to tie this side into the other side eventually as well but at least it is moving forward, here is another view:
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That is all for now, wanted to show I am making progress, albeit slow progress.
JB
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Wow it takes a lot of time to fit all of those little pieces together. I'm using black iron pipe from Lowes for all of this work as it is really easy to get but isn't the cheapest route. I'm using both 3/4" and 1/2" depending on where it is needed. I still may add a few more supports and will need to tie this side into the other side eventually as well but at least it is moving forward, here is another view:
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That is all for now, wanted to show I am making progress, albeit slow progress.
JB
OutlawDrifter
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Keep pluggin' along, you're a champion in my book!
Thirdyfivepickup
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Two days of reading and I'm finally at the end... quite the story for sure! Thanks for documenting your progress!
mybigwarwagon
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Great work on the vette. I just need my back to cooperate so I can change head gaskets out of three identical Suburbans. I seem to be collectin 1999 Suburbans with blown head gaskets. LOL>
mybigwarwagon
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I had back surgery last August. Not sure if it helped or hurt at times.
Back in 2000 a 96 year old man who was still driving went Dukes of Hazard across a median in a Chrysler LHS and demolished my Subuaru GL. ON permanent disability now. Doesn't make me feel any better.
Well after spending way longer than I expected on the suspension jigs I believe they are done other than some cleaning and finish welding. I knocked out the remainder of the rear:
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Then moved to the front, they way it is all set up I should be able to unbolt it and pull the 'Vette off of the top:
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The critical points have more bars welded to them and places like the shock mounts and anti-roll bar mounts aren't as critical so they have less bracing:
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I ended up getting the pipe from the scrap yard new, 20' (~6m) of schedule 40 was cheaper than buying 10' (~3m) from Lowes. I'm also working on adding 3rd set of pulley's to my Craftsman drill press to run it in a lower speed so I can use it to drill metal or swap belts to bypass the 3rd set and drill wood. I'll update on that when I get the last little bushing I'm missing.
JB
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Then moved to the front, they way it is all set up I should be able to unbolt it and pull the 'Vette off of the top:
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The critical points have more bars welded to them and places like the shock mounts and anti-roll bar mounts aren't as critical so they have less bracing:
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I ended up getting the pipe from the scrap yard new, 20' (~6m) of schedule 40 was cheaper than buying 10' (~3m) from Lowes. I'm also working on adding 3rd set of pulley's to my Craftsman drill press to run it in a lower speed so I can use it to drill metal or swap belts to bypass the 3rd set and drill wood. I'll update on that when I get the last little bushing I'm missing.
JB
oldironfarmer
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Looking real good! This is going to work very well.
Seems like I run my drill presses all pretty slow, metal and wood, so try wood on slow speed before you got to too much trouble to be able to convert it back.
Seems like I run my drill presses all pretty slow, metal and wood, so try wood on slow speed before you got to too much trouble to be able to convert it back.
Thank you Andy, I sure hope it works out. I do the same and drill wood on the slowest setting on the Craftsman as it sets. Time will tell I suppose, I have a few days off at the end of this week and early next to try to get some more stuff ironed out and hopefully get the '57 up onto the frame table. Crossing my fingers.
JB
shortykorte
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Just saw a similar Vette for sale south of me. Didn’t get the price. Thought you might want another set of twins.
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Thanks for the offer Shorty, but I think I am twinned out for the moment. My vehicle count is out of control. As a side note it looks like the car I took to my brother in Georgia is coming back to stay until someone else needs it. That means I'll be up to 10 vehicle and my wife will have her Jeep on top of that. I need to get rid of some quick!
JB
JB
Finallygotit
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JB's use car lot!
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JB's Salvage!
Well, I'm only tagging eleven, so you're not doing too bad for a young feller.
sean Buick 76
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Looking good!
JB's used car lot!
There certainly isn't any room for new cars, or money for them for that matter. I'd hate to have a new car and get it dusty or store it in The Warthog Hidey Hole and have the cat climb all over it. Now to just get a few of them sold...
I'm only tagging 4 right now and one more black tagged (Oklahoma's way of getting a few extra tax dollars for non-op vehicles) the rest are spares or for sale. Hope some sell soon I'm running out of room inside the shop.
I do have a lot of catching up to do, but don't plan to get any more non-op vehicles until I can get a few of these out of here. Darn did I just admit to wanting to get more. I have a disease.
You aren't the only one! I'm installing the suspension back on the Lil Red 'Vette now so I can move it out of the way. Then pull the twin back on the lift to cut it up and take to the scrap yard this week while I'm off work. A friend is supposed to get the other twin this weekend then I can pull Pnky Pi to the lift, pull the body, mount the frame on the frame table and do a lot of work on it.
Sounds so simple typed out like that.Thanks Sean, lots of work left but progress is being made even if it isn't really visible.
JB
fastjohnny
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I am using your thread to get myself motivated to change my LB7 injectors (again). I really should just block off a day and knock it out! I've got 4 remans from Lincoln Diesel, need to get 4 more tear in to it.
Thanks for the posts.
Thanks for the posts.
Johnny,
Thank you for reading along and I hope the motivation holds.
It really isn't tooooo hard, but certainly not easy either. 
The toughest parts or at least most frustrating were getting the fan off and the little allen bolts at the back of the head on the driver's side. Good luck and let me know how it goes.JB
Thirdyfivepickup
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As Andy mentioned in his post I made a trip over to his place to get rid of some scrap aluminum and pick up some old beams he had taking up space for my next big project. I didn't take nearly enough photos but we had a great visit, he showed me how to make some muffins and I helped him assemble his gantry crane. He also showed me how to mount and balance a tire:
Man those tires are in bad shape. I hope you didn't use them!
oldironfarmer
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It is Oklahoma...
I only plan to use it as a roller tire if needed. Say I happen upon a couple of old service trucks with very bad tires that won't hold air, I'll use these to roll the trucks on the trailer and around the shop. Or maybe do a burnout if the need arises.
It is Oklahoma, and anything goes out in the sticks.
All,
I am back and have a few updates for y'all shortly. But one I didn't get any photos of is that I am down one vehicle, yes that is right I finely sold something. One of the twins has now been sold and is in good hands. He was able to get it to fire but would immediately die. Evidently there was a lot of junk in the injector lines, he is replacing the injectors now and it should finely start up.
JB
Thirdyfivepickup
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I've seen many people judge tire condition based only on how much tread is left...