Above 1200 Sq/FT The Warthog Hidey Hole

[oldironfarmer]

Back in the good old days lug nuts were more interesting. Chrysler put left-hand threads on the driver side wheel studs and right hand threads on the passenger side. Broke a stud on my Plymouth trying to get the front wheel off on the driver side.

I didn't use a torque wrench on lug nuts when I couldn't afford one (before Harbor Freight). When I got a car with "alloy" wheels it became more important. The different expansion rate and wheel thickness at the studs made it more important/critical to get them torqued tight. Torque spec for aluminum wheels on the PT Cruiser and '87 Corvette is 100 ft. lbs. (the Cadillac is 140 ft. lbs.). Torque spec on the '72 Corvette stock steel wheel is 85 ft. lbs. Most of my local tire stores try not to snap off the studs. Not their fault if a wheel falls off -- they only do tires.

Ford trucks, and others, also had left hand threads on the left side. Usually if you see a block 7 on the end of a stud you need to roll the wheel 180 to see an L. They're not always marked. It's good when one won't come loose to try tightening it. Even if it's right hand threads that can help it loosen. But you can usually see the end of the thread if you look close and determine the proper direction.

 

[jbmatth]

Nice. I'm running the same hood latches on my JKUR. No more hood flutter and is quiet as can be. Wasn't too awfully bad until a semi truck passed or a bit of a cross wind then the hood would try to lift. Could also be because I hate the nose-dive stance of Jeeps and have my front end slightly higher than the rear.

I don't mind a little nose down, but don't like that "Cali-Lean" some trucks have with the nose 6" or more higher than the rear unloaded. The hood flutter is gone now and I am much happier about it. Now I just wonder what the next to do will be on her Jeep.

Hmmm, I've still never had a torque wrench on a lug nut.

I was the same way until I put the wheels on a friends trailer with an impact and lost one....
The wild wheel center punched a Mercedes in the grill at speed...
Did several hundred dollars damage....
Kinda put the cure on me....


Lynn W

It is some thing that I do religiously

I torque all lug nuts now. I've heard too many stories like Lwel's. I also retorque once after 30 to 50 miles after a tire change. I've been suprised that some of the lugs must have seated as I get a bit more out of some of them.

Frankly, I'm not surprised.

Back in the good old days lug nuts were more interesting. Chrysler put left-hand threads on the driver side wheel studs and right hand threads on the passenger side. Broke a stud on my Plymouth trying to get the front wheel off on the driver side.

I didn't use a torque wrench on lug nuts when I couldn't afford one (before Harbor Freight). When I got a car with "alloy" wheels it became more important. The different expansion rate and wheel thickness at the studs made it more important/critical to get them torqued tight. Torque spec for aluminum wheels on the PT Cruiser and '87 Corvette is 100 ft. lbs. (the Cadillac is 140 ft. lbs.). Torque spec on the '72 Corvette stock steel wheel is 85 ft. lbs. Most of my local tire stores try not to snap off the studs. Not their fault if a wheel falls off -- they only do tires.

Mee two now....

Ford trucks, and others, also had left hand threads on the left side. Usually if you see a block 7 on the end of a stud you need to roll the wheel 180 to see an L. They're not always marked. It's good when one won't come loose to try tightening it. Even if it's right hand threads that can help it loosen. But you can usually see the end of the thread if you look close and determine the proper direction.

I'm still not sure what happened but I'm keeping and eye on them, I really haven't driven the S10 more than moving it so I can mow. I've heard about the Chrysler left hand threads on the lugs/studs before but haven't ever encountered them before personally. Speaking of Chrysler vehicles I now have my second ever Chrysler (The Jeep is my wife's.), and just like the red Dakota it was also free and also came from my FIL.

Anyone want '96 2wd with many issues I'll make you a heck of a deal? Lots of cut wires, missing the entire gauge cluster, and lots of the interior is missing or broken. Surprisingly the engine runs great even if you do have to twist wires and touch a third to get it to go.

I have parts coming in to fix a slew of problems on BP 2.0 with the biggest/hardest to get to being the starter and flywheel. While it is "mostly" apart I'm replacing the water pump (starting to leak), thermostats (I'll be in there anyway), power steering pump (whining), steering gearbox (sloppy and the adjustment is out of adjustment), power steering hoses (they will be loose anyway), steering column bearing (it has been bad for a while now but I didn't know what it was until reading Z's thread), LB7 up pipe to replace my LBZ unit that used to have the EGR inlet, passenger exhaust manifold (I have a spare with a hole drilled and tapped for an EGT), and I'm replacing all of the fluids and filters along with a few hoses and re-wrapping some of the harness that has deteriorated split loom.

That should keep me busy for a couple of weeks.

JB

 

[zmotorsports]

I don't mind a little nose down, but don't like that "Cali-Lean" some trucks have with the nose 6" or more higher than the rear unloaded. The hood flutter is gone now and I am much happier about it. Now I just wonder what the next to do will be on her Jeep.

Hmmm. Where to begin.

Jeep, Just Empty Every Pocket.

I'm with you on the nose in the air. I don't like the nose down at all but either level or just about a half inch higher in the nose, nothing more. It took me a bit of adjusting to get both my truck and my Jeep sitting just right.

That 2WD ZJ is unique. I have heard of them but never seen one in person. Would make for a rare project.

 

[jbmatth]

Hmmm. Where to begin.

Jeep, Just Empty Every Pocket.

I'm with you on the nose in the air. I don't like the nose down at all but either level or just about a half inch higher in the nose, nothing more. It took me a bit of adjusting to get both my truck and my Jeep sitting just right.

That 2WD ZJ is unique. I have heard of them but never seen one in person. Would make for a rare project.

I can vouch for the Jeep acronym, it is hers and her hobby, she could have chosen much more expensive hobbies that is for certain.

I do like the way your truck and Jeep sit, and if you hadn't have told me I'd have never known they were actually higher in the front. With BP 2.0 I drive it loaded with something at least half of the time so it usually comes out pretty close to level. The S10 needs some suspension work, it sits too high in the front and way too high in the back, I want it about level but that will have to wait until after BP 2.0 is back on the road and I'm ready to drop some money on lots more parts.

You are welcome to come get this one, I've run across a few before, now if it were a manual and 4wd I'd probably keep it just for playing around the farm but as is it is pretty much useless to me.

JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

Hmmm, does it come with the wheels? And what's the engine?

You are very fortunate that you can please your wife by modifying and repairing her Jeep. I've never had a wife who called a car by any name but it's color. no comprehension that they are actually different.

 

[jbmatth]

Hmmm, does it come with the wheels? And what's the engine?

You are very fortunate that you can please your wife by modifying and repairing her Jeep. I've never had a wife who called a car by any name but it's color. no comprehension that they are actually different.

Andy,
Yes it does come with the wheels, 4.0L inline 6 (I think at least, I haven't verified but it is an inline and think that was the only option in '96.) Auto trans, could make a fun/different swap into something. As a side note the heater core is brand new shiny aluminum as well.

I don't think she has named her Jeep, she just refers to it as her Jeep. I call it Ol' Greg sometimes just to mess with her.

All,
On another note I mentioned I'm working on BP 2.0 (Black Plague version 2), it is my 2006 Chevy Silverado 3500 crew cab long bed. I'm making progress but man there is a lot to do to pull the body:
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I have the E brake cable to take out, 8 body bolts, then one wiring connection to remove then I'm ready to lift and see what else I forgot as it breaks.

Wish me luck,

JB

 

[Redwolf947]

Good Luck, looks like lots of fun! Wish I had a lift..

 

[jbmatth]

Thank you Red Wolf, I might just need it. Now that you have the roof raised in your shop it would be a good time to put one it. You can find used ones on auction sites that deal in shop equipment sales such as crossbid and another is purplewave. I've known people that have picked up used lifts there for $500-$1,000. One was a 6 month old Rotary 10k pound lift for $800.

All,
On a completely unrelated note I woke up yesterday to find my laundry room full of water. It ended up being some electrical shorts in the board and the motor. Picked up a new washer yesterday on my way home, unloaded it into a house that was 80°F with the thermostat set to 74°F. The fan on the HVAC unit wasn't even thinking about turning on. I tried to look into it some but ran out of time. Capacitor seems to be okay so we shall see what I can find out today. I would say when it rains it pours but we are expecting rain today and I don't want to try to troubleshoot it in the rain. Grrr.

JB

 

[OutlawDrifter]

I know how that goes! The joys of home ownership!

 

[jbmatth]

Indeed, hopefully it won't be anything too big but time will tell. Luckily it is supposed to be cooler the next couple of days. I'm going to try to fix it myself in the next couple of days, if I fail I'll call professionals to the rescue.

JB

 

[Redwolf947]

Thank you Red Wolf, I might just need it. Now that you have the roof raised in your shop it would be a good time to put one it. You can find used ones on auction sites that deal in shop equipment sales such as crossbid and another is purplewave. I've known people that have picked up used lifts there for $500-$1,000. One was a 6 month old Rotary 10k pound lift for $800.


JB

Thanks Jb, I think I will have to redo the floor like you did and I'm just not ready for that. The concrete is relatively new from the previous owner but I have no information on it. I'll have to do some test holes I'm guessing it's 4".

 

[jbmatth]

Thanks Jb, I think I will have to redo the floor like you did and I'm just not ready for that. The concrete is relatively new from the previous owner but I have no information on it. I'll have to do some test holes I'm guessing it's 4".

Good luck and maybe they were nice and accidentally poured it 6" deep where you want the lift to go, one can always hope anyway.

All,
I eventually figured out the AC problem, the condenser fan motor bit the dust, good news is I have some copper for Andy. Other good news is I was able to source a new motor from a local shop. Bad news is the old motor was a 3 wire and the new is 9 wire but 4 of those are simply for direction control so that was an easy fix. It is all wired in now and working. When I got done I enjoyed a nice cool nights sleep last night.

JB

 

[Redwolf947]

Nice work on the A/C, I grew up with out it and am spoiled with it now!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Just throw that copper in the back of my new Jeep and I'll come get it one of these days.

Glad you got the A/C diagnosed and fixed. It's a necessity anymore. Therre's an ad in Tulsa, probably all over, where a guy says "Your wife is hot!"

"And you'd better get that A/C fixed pronto."

 

[Grizz1963]

Brave, skilled man.

Impressive stuff.

 

[Bob Heine]

All,
I eventually figured out the AC problem, the condenser fan motor bit the dust, good news is I have some copper for Andy. Other good news is I was able to source a new motor from a local shop. Bad news is the old motor was a 3 wire and the new is 9 wire but 4 of those are simply for direction control so that was an easy fix. It is all wired in now and working. When I got done I enjoyed a nice cool nights sleep last night.

JB

JB, when mine went out none of the local A/C shops would sell me a replacement -- they had to install it -- in a week or two. I ended up buying it online and waiting two days. Ten minute job once it arrived. Apparently the service life of that motor was a close match to the blower motor in the evaporator enclosure. It died a year later but the motor alone was $500 and I was afraid to tear into the variable speed control board with 240V outputs (it was another $500 to replace).

Opted for a new system for $3,600 with a single speed blower motor (noisier) that I can replace myself in 20 years (when I'm 93).

 

[jbmatth]

Nice work on the A/C, I grew up with out it and am spoiled with it now!

I was the same Redwolf, I didn't have AC in the house until 8th grade. We were even cutting and splitting our own firewood for the wood stove up until that point. I wish I had a photo of the stove, it was a behemoth, 36" diameter pipe about 5' long. I remember one winter we had some dry Osage Orange (hedge apple to others) and the stove was red hot on the top cooking surface. It is a wonder we didn't burn the house down, but in that uninstalled house we could freeze water in the room upstairs I got to sleep in for a few years. Ahh good times...

Just throw that copper in the back of my new Jeep and I'll come get it one of these days.

Glad you got the A/C diagnosed and fixed. It's a necessity anymore. Therre's an ad in Tulsa, probably all over, where a guy says "Your wife is hot!"

"And you'd better get that A/C fixed pronto."

Andy,
Not much copper left, but I did break the motor down and will toss the windings in the in the back for you with some other aluminum I've been saving up. I have a few other bits and bobs (not the cat or Heine kind) I can throw in to sweeten the deal.

Brave, skilled man.

Impressive stuff.

Grizz,
Brave or just dumb enough to not know what I don't know and hope it'll surely work. Frugal enough to give it a shot and hope for the best. Lucky enough that what I do know is just enough to make it all work out.

JB, when mine went out none of the local A/C shops would sell me a replacement -- they had to install it -- in a week or two. I ended up buying it online and waiting two days. Ten minute job once it arrived. Apparently the service life of that motor was a close match to the blower motor in the evaporator enclosure. It died a year later but the motor alone was $500 and I was afraid to tear into the variable speed control board with 240V outputs (it was another $500 to replace).

Opted for a new system for $3,600 with a single speed blower motor (noisier) that I can replace myself in 20 years (when I'm 93).

Bob,
I'm glad to have found a shop that test the parts and sell them to me. They would probably make a house call but I live 30 miles from them so I really hope they bring all of the right parts or it'll get expensive quick. Ours is right at 30 years old now and I really want to get another 3.5 years out of this unit that way our house will be paid off and I'll be able to more easily justify getting a much better system all around.

Updates on BP 2.0 coming soon,

JB

 

[jbmatth]

As I've mentioned for a while now I have some major work going on with BP 2.0, it took a few mornings but I was able to get the body pulled late last week:
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Now the fun begins...Well I noticed lots of soot buildup on the down-pipe indicating an exhaust leak. This is what I eventually found:
View media item 85893
That is the passenger side up-pipe that goes from the exhaust manifold to the turbo charger. The bellows that cracked used to go to the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) cooler that had previously been removed. I saved one from an earlier model truck that didn't have that part to worry about failing for just this reason. While trying to remove it one of the bolts broke off going into the exhaust manifold:
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Rather than extracting it I also have another manifold that is already drilled and tapped for and EGT (Exhaust Gas Temp.) probe that I'll use instead.

I used the 4 ton Blackhawk jack with a trans adapter to support the trans and move it out of the way so I could replace the flywheel with another also saved from one of the previous trucks I'd parted out. It was tough to photograph but there were a number of messed up teeth on both the started and flywheel. Hopefully the new/old parts I've saved will fix the problem. As of this morning the water pump and thermostats are replaced. I have the new steering box, power steering pump, power steering pump pulley, and transfer case output seal ready to install then I can lower the body back onto the frame.

Time will tell if all of this work will pay off so wish me luck.

JB

 

[jbmatth]

In other news I went to help a friend pick up his new toy on Friday:

This is the same guy who goes with me on the power tour and has been looking to get something fun since he started going. He will now be able to enjoy the trips from the drivers seat and from under the hood. (It is a Ford after all. LOL)

It is a '68 Mustang, 302 engine, C4 auto trans, and nice interior. All in all I think he got a pretty good deal on it. The trim and a few misc. parts hadn't been put back on after a recent paint job. The AC is in the trunk and it needs some TLC but it is pretty nice for what he paid and will be nicer by the time we go on the tour next year.

JB

 

[jbmatth]

Thank you Simon, and welcome to the site and my thread. Good luck on whatever adventures have brought you to this site.
JB

 

[22george]

As I've mentioned for a while now I have some major work going on with BP 2.0, it took a few mornings but I was able to get the body pulled late last week:
View media item 85895
Now the fun begins...Well I noticed lots of soot buildup on the down-pipe indicating an exhaust leak. This is what I eventually found:
View media item 85893
That is the passenger side up-pipe that goes from the exhaust manifold to the turbo charger. The bellows that cracked used to go to the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) cooler that had previously been removed. I saved one from an earlier model truck that didn't have that part to worry about failing for just this reason. While trying to remove it one of the bolts broke off going into the exhaust manifold:
View media item 85894
Rather than extracting it I also have another manifold that is already drilled and tapped for and EGT (Exhaust Gas Temp.) probe that I'll use instead.

I used the 4 ton Blackhawk jack with a trans adapter to support the trans and move it out of the way so I could replace the flywheel with another also saved from one of the previous trucks I'd parted out. It was tough to photograph but there were a number of messed up teeth on both the started and flywheel. Hopefully the new/old parts I've saved will fix the problem. As of this morning the water pump and thermostats are replaced. I have the new steering box, power steering pump, power steering pump pulley, and transfer case output seal ready to install then I can lower the body back onto the frame.

Time will tell if all of this work will pay off so wish me luck.

JB

Been reading your thread for a while. I enjoy seeing how you go about things. You have a good head on your shoulders. You show a lot of ingenuity and common sense for one so young. ( I'm 66 ). Don't beat yourself up about mistakes. We all make them. You learn more from them than doing everything right.


If you heat the exhaust manifold around the broken stud with a torch not quite orange, you should be able to easily back out the stud with vise grips.

 

[LPete3]

JBMath,

Long time lurker, first time posting to your thread. I keep coming back to see what your next project is and how you work through it. Your latest one hits pretty close to home. I have an 02 Duramax that needs a flywheel as well, along with a bunch of other work. Looks like it has been nothing but fun so far. lol

Lynn

 

[jbmatth]

Been reading your thread for a while. I enjoy seeing how you go about things. You have a good head on your shoulders. You show a lot of ingenuity and common sense for one so young. ( I'm 66 ). Don't beat yourself up about mistakes. We all make them. You learn more from them than doing everything right.


If you heat the exhaust manifold around the broken stud with a torch not quite orange, you should be able to easily back out the stud with vise grips.

George,
Thank you for following along and commenting, it is always great to hear from new people and "old" (as in people that have previously posted not age, I don't discriminate other than tall people reaching things on the top shelf. Those showoffs!) alike. Your comment reminds me of a saying I'm going to butcher. Good decisions come from good experience which comes from bad experience which you get from bad decisions. You have to make bad decisions to know how to make good decisions.

I only have a small map gas torch that helps sometimes but not really worth it most of the time. I have been successful in the past welding onto the end of the broken stud then turning it out with vise grips. Which is essentially the same thing as if I had a torch.

JBMath,

Long time lurker, first time posting to your thread. I keep coming back to see what your next project is and how you work through it. Your latest one hits pretty close to home. I have an 02 Duramax that needs a flywheel as well, along with a bunch of other work. Looks like it has been nothing but fun so far. lol

Lynn

Lynn,
As above, thank you for taking the time to post and for reading my constant hemorrhage of words. I am right there with you, all of this work could be done with the body on but it is much easier to just pull the body and easier on my back. I'd offer to do the work for you if you want to bring your truck by but it'd take a few weeks at my normal pace.

All,
Not much to report today, I installed the "NEW" steering gearbox and it seems to have as much play as the old one. I know most re-manufactured gear boxes aren't great but dangit for $200 I hoped for better results. I may take it back and see if they have a better one. Sadly the one I took off was used as a core so I can't even get it back now. Kinda ticks me off really I feel like I'm stuck with a marginally better box with no other real option. Does anyone have advise?

JB

 

[Kenfab]

only just saw the hot rod power tour photos! looks like it was one hell of a trip

 

[jbmatth]

only just saw the hot rod power tour photos! looks like it was one hell of a trip

Kenfab,
It sure was, I always have a blast on that vacation even if I'm working on something I always enjoy it. Thank you for posting and joining in. There are a few Aussies that come for the tour every year, if you ever decide to I'll find a seat for you.

JB

 

[OutlawDrifter]

JB, are you comparing the old box with loaded suspension, to the "new" box with unloaded suspension?

Just spitballing ideas here...

 

[jbmatth]

Yes that is what I was comparing to, however the pitman arm doesn't move whatsoever when I turn the steering shaft for a good bit. Hopefully that makes sense, what I suspect is when I have everything else back installed I'll have just as much or slightly less play in the steering wheel as I did with the old box.
JB

 

[BUGTHUG]

Is that picture in Ponca City?

 

[jbmatth]

Herb,
The one of his Mustang in front of the courthouse is in Ponca, the gas station photo is in Newton, Ks.

JB

 

[Grizz1963]

Is that picture in Ponca City?

Herb,
The one of his Mustang in front of the courthouse is in Ponca, the gas station photo is in Newton, Ks.

JB

Nice to lie here at home in my bed (took the day off to do weekday other stuff)

Nice to be able to say, I have been to Ponca City too.

Not sure if that wins me a Happy Meal though.


Looking forward to meeting you guys, hopefully at Andy’s place.

Check with him re dates.

 

[jbmatth]

Great to hear that Grizz, I guess I didn't realize you had been to Ponca City before. Just passing through or did you stop to see anything here?

I'll check in with Andy, Sadly they have shuffled my turnaround (outage at work) a bit so I may or may not be able to make it over. Keeping my fingers crossed it'll work out.

JB

 

[jbmatth]

I have been making more slow progress on getting the truck back together, about the last thing I can think of before dropping the body on is the exhaust which should go pretty easy.

One challenge I had this morning was installing the rear output seal on the transfer case. As you can see in the photo below there is a big lip that would prevent me from using a normal seal installer (2x4 block of wood. ) so I made my own install tool on my slip roll:

Worked wonderfully, now on to the next items on the list...

JB

 

[mybigwarwagon]

Hey, if it works, it works.


Now go play in your shop more so I can have something to read. I had to have emergency surgery for a concussion on Friday (My birthday of all days) and I am out of commission for 4 weeks. Every time I walk outside I see all the stuff I need to fix. Oh well, this is typically the hottest time of the year, so I have an excuse to sit in my recliner in the AC.

 

[1/2 Cup]

JB I luv the seal installer.

 

[Nlped]

You are super efficient for sure. I already get up at 04:30 for work, and that’s as early as I want too, so I made an addition to my little home shop... HVAC!!!


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[Grizz1963]

Great to hear that Grizz, I guess I didn't realize you had been to Ponca City before. Just passing through or did you stop to see anything here?

I'll check in with Andy, Sadly they have shuffled my turnaround (outage at work) a bit so I may or may not be able to make it over. Keeping my fingers crossed it'll work out.

JB

I think if things unplanned as they are planned to be, go according to plan, we should be at Andy’s on Wednesday late, play Thursday or something random like that.

A lot can go wrong when you have a cooler of beer in the back of a large rental car.

 

[jbmatth]

Hey, if it works, it works.


Now go play in your shop more so I can have something to read. I had to have emergency surgery for a concussion on Friday (My birthday of all days) and I am out of commission for 4 weeks. Every time I walk outside I see all the stuff I need to fix. Oh well, this is typically the hottest time of the year, so I have an excuse to sit in my recliner in the AC.

War Wagon,
Sorry to hear about the concussion and surgery. What caused all of that to happen? This is usually a brutal time of year here too but really is pretty nice lately. High on Wed. is 76°F (24.4°C) with most of this week in the 80's to low 90's. The summer my oldest daughter was born we hit 100 or more 50 days and 114°F (45.5°C) twice. I'm getting a good bit done this summer in comparison.

JB I luv the seal installer.

Thank you 1/2, as they say necessity is the mother of invention.

You are super efficient for sure. I already get up at 04:30 for work, and that’s as early as I want too, so I made an addition to my little home shop... HVAC!!!


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If I just got up in time to head to work I'd have to be up around 4:45 but get up just before 4 at a minimum to get some work done. At some point I'll have a shop with HVAC but not for a few years. I'm jealous and happy for you, do you have a thread on your place? If not what are you waiting on?

I think if things unplanned as they are planned to be, go according to plan, we should be at Andy’s on Wednesday late, play Thursday or something random like that.

A lot can go wrong when you have a cooler of beer in the back of a large rental car.

Grizz,
That would be the 5th of Sept.? I know all about the cooler causing changes of plan.

JB

 

[jbmatth]

A few of us from the HRPT group decided to go to a "local" car show this past Saturday. Alex's Mustang had some brake issues late in the week and we didn't have time to fix it before the show and he had a set of power disc brakes on order so didn't really worry too much about fixing them anyway. We loaded it on the trailer and hit the road:

All in all there were about 300 in attendance and 9 cars from our groups over the past few years. We were pretty successful taking home 4 awards:

From left to right Mark got one for his '63 Impala, Dan for his '14 Mustang his wife Marna (our road mom) cleaned, he cleaned her '66 Mustang and it didn't win so we know who the better detailer is. LOL I got one for the cobra for special interest, and Alex got one for his '68 Mustang in the under construction class. We had a great time all in all and it was fun to catch up with old friends.

I did a bit more on BP 2.0, exhaust is back on, all the other loose ends I could think of are back outside of installing the body so I dropped it on as well. I bought a new-used fender this spring to replace the one that was damaged:

Well it was much nicer but in fitting the panel I tightened the door jam bolts then loosened the others and boom the door was stuck shut by the fender. So now my new to me fender is bent too but still looks better than before. I hooked most of the wiring back up on that fender and called it a day. Hopefully by this weekend I'll have it running again but still have other stuff to do that I don't need the lift for so I'll get it out of the way for the brake job on Alex's Mustang next weekend.

JB

 

[Grizz1963]

Excellent


Sorry JB.


Yes, that will be that week.

We need to be back in St Louis, well... Near Wentzville late afternoon on that Friday, so Thursday seems highly likely. We have Rogers picnic on Saturday in O’Fallon.

We will be in Fayetteville before that, which should only be about 2.5 hrs drive, so even possible on the Thursday morning, as all three of us, Dennis, Craig and I are all early risers, as is Clem at www.tubatrucks.com where we will be staying over for a day or so.


I think this is going to be a humdinger of a road trip.


Really do hope to see you there.

I trust Herb will be over as well..

 

[mybigwarwagon]

War Wagon,
Sorry to hear about the concussion and surgery. What caused all of that to happen?

JB

I hit my head three different times within a week. any one of which was hard enough to cause a concussion but the three of them together was more than my poor brain can handle.