There's a neat panel install ,

[The Cobbler]

just popped up on my You Tube feed, a nice organized panel install by a young lady. Kudos to her for the great work she does

 

[driftpin]

I got dizzy watching the rapid work scene, she works quickly!

A 1960's So. FL ranch house we have has different colored wire for nearly all the branch circuits, and the wiring is in EMT. We replaced the original Federal Pacific branch circuit panel with a Square D and the new wiring runs from there all the way to the weatherhead. New outside circuit panel (also feeds a detached 1 car garage), smart meter & main shut-off.

 

[yatg]

I don't see any labeling on those cables.
I guess its somebody else's job to figure it out and label the panel.

 

[Model A Fan]

I don't see any labeling on those cables.
I guess its somebody else's job to figure it out and label the panel.

These things are all for show. She initially labeled the Romex sheath, but I think this is a fake wall with a fake set of Romex wires coming down. There's a facebook guy who always says "Whack Hacks" that does the same stuff. Fake wall, fake install.

 

[Chuckster in NJ]

Guys, My comment was meant to be funny so relax and have some fun.

BTW! Car shows, trade shows and many advertisements have females wearing bikinis to "get attention" so lighten up. No different than the "oiled up, muscle bound dude" in Old Spice commercials.

 

[Miss the Pontiacs]

I seen this thread yesterday but wasn’t able to watch the video. I have a habit of watching tv and messing around with my iPad. So sometimes I never get back or find a particular thread again.
If I watch and listen to a video unless a commercial is on my wife can get a little annoyed. The young lady makes it look like easy I’ve only done a couple panels so my technique and pattern could use a little work.
When I did communication/data cabling I took pride and formed my cable and over lament seriously. I always found if a job was neat and a good order of placement, made jumpering flow better and limited troubles and made trouble shooting easier. I was paid by the hour and not the job. When I went out on my own I still spent the time and effort and was paid by the job. I had no shortage of work/contracts either.

 

[TractorJeff]

Used to wire Switchgear and Control Panels like that!

 

[kbuhagiar]

Used to wire Switchgear and Control Panels like that!

While I was working with Pacific Telephone back in the 80s I was loaned to the Western Electric division for a month.
I helped de-commission (wreck out) a lot of old CO (Central Office) mechainical relay banks and wiring similar to what you see in the pictures. I was amazed with the level of detail and precision employed in these wiring installations.

 

[Miss the Pontiacs]

While I was working with Pacific Telephone back in the 80s I was loaned to the Western Electric division for a month.
I helped de-commission (wreck out) a lot of old CO (Central Office) mechainical relay banks and wiring similar to what you see in the pictures. I was amazed with the level of detail and precision employed in these wiring installations.

Just for shits and giggles, I remember doing one job where we laced the cables as they did in the past. Zip ties and later velcro were used for data and resulted in a much quicker install,

 

[micromind]

She mentioned that "SOME" electrical inspectors don’t allow zip ties in a panel. I have never heard of that……… Has anyone heard of this or encountered a rogue inspector that didn’t allow this?

I would ask for a code reference. Politely, of course........

 

[mm08822]

She mentioned that "SOME" electrical inspectors don’t allow zip ties in a panel. I have never heard of that……… Has anyone heard of this or encountered a rogue inspector that didn’t allow this?

Never had an inspector mention it.

I can recall a warehouse lighting panel feeding 100's of lights that was wired in thhn. Where cable ties were used, it was easy to see discoloration in that immediate area on many conductors in the bundles.

Yes the ties did accentuate the heating problem but I think some circuits were maxed out as the root cause.

 

[PCustoms]

Never had an inspector mention it.

I can recall a warehouse lighting panel feeding 100's of lights that was wired in thhn. Where cable ties were used, it was easy to see discoloration in that immediate area on many conductors in the bundles.

Not sure why my reply got deleted...

I bet it was the plasticizers in the ties.

 

[mm08822]

I don't think plasticizer is a bad word.

 

[kbuhagiar]

Just for shits and giggles, I remember doing one job where we laced the cables as they did in the past. Zip ties and later velcro were used for data and resulted in a much quicker install,

I still have half a spool of WE waxed lacing twine somewhere in the garage, lol
I loved the Bell System colored cable ties (white, red, black, yellow, purple) for keeping the groups together. I just used the last of them last year finishing up the wiring on my 56 Chevy.

 

[mm08822]

I still have half a spool of WE waxed lacing twine somewhere in the garage, lol

Put on ebay as dental floss for seniors.

 

[Miss the Pontiacs]

I still have half a spool of WE waxed lacing twine somewhere in the garage, lol
I loved the Bell System colored cable ties (white, red, black, yellow, purple) for keeping the groups together. I just used the last of them last year finishing up the wiring on my 56 Chevy.

I have a couple rolls of the waxed string laying around also. Have a few of the coloured zip ties also but pretty limited in the colours.

 

[WildBill]

Never had an inspector mention it.

I had one tell me I could only use the zip ties that had the little screw hole tag so they could be screwed down. I asked why and he said because he liked them like that and would fail me if I didn't do it. That's when I learned to just do what they want, even if I don't agree or understand.

 

[Chuckster in NJ]

I have a couple rolls of the waxed string laying around also. Have a few of the coloured zip ties also but pretty limited in the colours.

I still have a few rolls of waxed string left over from working on old pinball machines.……. NOT uncommon to "lace up" a bundle of 60-80 wires.

 

[Chuckster in NJ]

I had one tell me I could only use the zip ties that had the little screw hole tag so they could be screwed down. I asked why and he said because he liked them like that and would fail me if I didn't do it. That's when I learned to just do what they want, even if I don't agree or understand.

That is a typical response from a "rouge code Nazi inspector" who never ran an electrical contracting business.
This afternoon I called a "to the book" inspector friend of mine who is very knowledgeable (but a ***** to deal with) and I asked him about the zip ties in a panel and he said the only reasons would be POSSIBLE overheating and that some zips are NOT UL APPROVED.…….. He also said he would not enforce it.
I would never hire an electrical inspector who never ran a business and two of my "worst unreasonable" building inspectors that worked for me when I was a Construction Official were union carpenters, they were already employed when I got the job and we would argue almost every day on BS "what if" items.…… I use to tell them "what if" is NOT in the code and "IF" my aunt had ballz she would be my uncle.

 

[toplessHO]

I still have half a spool of WE waxed lacing twine somewhere in the garage, lol
I loved the Bell System colored cable ties (white, red, black, yellow, purple) for keeping the groups together. I just used the last of them last year finishing up the wiring on my 56 Chevy.

"12 cord"

 

[eejack]

There is a code bit about bundling...

310.15(C)(1) does say "The ampacity of each conductor shall be reduced as shown in Table 310.15(C)(1) where the number of current-carrying conductors in a raceway or cable exceeds three, or where single conductors or multiconductor cables not installed in raceways are installed without maintaining spacing for a continuous length longer than 600 mm (24 in.)."

Essentially if you have a large enough panel and you tywrap things just so, you are required to derate or not bundle.

Since most panels are now greater than 24" in height...

I learned all about this after wiring up a series of 90" 84 circuit panels.

We had an interesting discussion on whether or not we had to derate as per a trough ( must derate after 30 current carrying conductors ) and decided that we would remove all the tywraps and ignore considering the panel as a wireway for derating.

 

[Metal-Marc]

Kitchen cabinet lights.