redwrench60
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They do a better job than most of us could do in our basement. I mean ****, they knurl the handles and everything.
Theres a reason why cheap tools are cheap!
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Ton ton
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I agree with your last paragraph.I have nothing against Pakistan, I just don't own any tools from there.
I only watch videos on wifi so I just viewed it andI have personally worked in factories that were not much more advanced that that one.
The worst job IMO is "vice guy" that has to spin the handle to open and close the vise for the end forming operation. I'd need some weed for that one.
MacMcMacmac
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Didn't you see the guy stamping Milwaukee into it?
guitarbutt
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Louis CK summed up America with one sentence: "There's no end to what you can do when you don't give a **** about particular people." It fits overseas production very well.
That's why we can afford so many tools to show off on here
That's why we can afford so many tools to show off on here
Would that be the young female comedians that he admitted to 'entertaining' back in 2017?
2ndGearRubber
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Who cares?
That's irrelevant to the point being made. Although frankly I dont care about comedians of any type. Again, irrelvant.
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General statement relevant to poor work safety conditions in the original post's video
claymont
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Does anybody need a hydraulic cylinder
Badgerstate
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Sadly, this is what most Americans think of when they think about manufacturing in places like China, Korea or Taiwan and whine all the time about how we need to bring jobs back to America.
Its even more sad when you consider that Taiwan makes the best hand tools in the world nowadays and that the vintage, made in USA tools that everyone lusts over and seeks out were produced in working conditions that werent much better than this.
Its even more sad when you consider that Taiwan makes the best hand tools in the world nowadays and that the vintage, made in USA tools that everyone lusts over and seeks out were produced in working conditions that werent much better than this.
Half-fast eddie
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Maybe cuz they don’t have big bellies hanging over their belts?
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2ndGearRubber
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They want the equivalent rate pay, and all the bennies, but with modern standards and safety. But of course they'd all cry when they saw the price of the stuff they made.
A lot of that stuff was simply made with back breaking work.
Well, obviously guitarbutt thinks it's relevant. Right guitarbutt?
slowtwitch73
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We are all lucky sob's.
2ndGearRubber
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Questioning the moral attributes of someone does not change the validity of their statement.
Part of the first world standard of living, is built on people who do not have that same standard of living. What a comedian does or does not do, does not change that information. Attacking the person does not attack the argument being made.
I don't care what he "did", I have no clue nor do I care about him or his comedy. But the statement that lots of things can be accomplished when you don't value people, is factual.
slowtwitch73
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These guys are rebuilding lead acid batteries
2ndGearRubber
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I don't know if I'm more horrified or amazed.
rlitman
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Nine minutes in, anybody notice the guy cleaning the wire wheel with an old grind stone? I've gotta try that.
Also, do they not have milk crates in Pakistan? Seriously, half a dozen milk crates and they could triple productivity.
I'm speechless.
seber
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Life expectancy for shipbreakers in India is three years. I bet these guys have it even worse.
Ton ton
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Those battery rebuilders have it bad.
That video is American manufacturing in the days before Government and Unions intervention, two groups people here want out of our industry. 
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Can't have it both ways .
FWIW close down the foreign sweatshops and they have almost no means of making a living, a perfect storm for breeding terrorist's.
:Can't have it both ways .
FWIW close down the foreign sweatshops and they have almost no means of making a living, a perfect storm for breeding terrorist's.
slowtwitch73
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And this is just the stuff someone thinks is interesting/cool enough to show.
These guys probably have it good compared to many others. The real **** jobs.
Ton ton
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Those hammers are big for knife making.
I was on a ship we ran aground in Alang, India shipbreaking "facility". I don't care where you stand politically, socially, emotionally or whatever. Until you've looked into the eyes of these workers as they beg you for your shoes, you don't get it. And that's not a knock on you. Nobody does until they see it.
39 LaSalle
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That video is American manufacturing in the days before Government and Unions intervention, two groups people here want out of our industry.
Can't have it both ways .
FWIW close down the foreign sweatshops and they have almost no means of making a living, a perfect storm for breeding terrorist's.
By no means am I any sort of "bleeding heart", but you've really touched on something here. The majority of Americans have absolutely ZERO sense of what real poverty is. I haven't been there/seen that as you have, but I did learn a valuable lesson about this when I was a kid from my dad. He grew up during the Great Depression and often told me that his family and most families he knew were so poor, they had no idea that there was any "Depression". It was just life as usual for the area I came from. He was in the US Navy during and after WWII in the Pacific. Though he had many related tales, the one story that always stood out to me was the time his ship took a load of rice to some Chinese port to drop off for the locals. He literally witnessed starving people whose country had been devastated by years of Japanese occupation, with chopsticks underneath the pier picking up individual grains of rice that had slipped through the cracks in the wood and fallen on the rocks below. Not scoops full, not hands full...individual grains. That is real poverty, and sadly there is no shortage of it around various parts the world.
Like many of us, I've seen bunches of these photos and videos of third world workers doing stuff that no sane person in America would remotely try. As primitive, dangerous, or foolhardy their activities may seem, I try not to be critical of what they're doing. Quite frankly, I tend to be more impressed than anything. They do the best they can, with the best they can get, and I dare say their ingenuity and determination wouldn't have to take a back seat to anyone, anywhere. Imagine what these same people could achieve given the proper resources, equipment, and facilities.
^^ pretty much
FWIW watching how hard Chinese workers endure their workdays, they do it because regardless, their standard of living and their future is much better, than when they were living as struggling peasant farmers.
It's hard for us to understand because we have had mostly pretty good (or very good) prosperity, our entire lifetimes.
FWIW watching how hard Chinese workers endure their workdays, they do it because regardless, their standard of living and their future is much better, than when they were living as struggling peasant farmers.
It's hard for us to understand because we have had mostly pretty good (or very good) prosperity, our entire lifetimes.
minke
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I remember ~'76 or ~'77 when I read that Seagate was offshoring some disk manufacturing to (IIRC) Indonesia and I was appalled. Over time after that I got to understand and disrespect our race to the bottom. Then,,, early this century Freeman Dyson was speaking on TV and part of his view was that offshoring was an extremely potent force in diminishing 3rd world poverty. I found that compelling. It was a good lesson for me on how much more complicated things are than they may seem.
Renegade1LI
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It’s not much different or worse than the US around 1900 till the early 50s. When you see how the fields were worked, the coal was mined, equipment manufactured, we weren’t much different. Child laborers were in every industry, nothing like seeing a 10 year old working a coal car. Check out sorbys old pictures, pretty ugly, we have just moved up and past it off to the next group. The US industrial Revolution was horrible to the workers.
Two Speed
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Yeah, people forget that it is not that long ago that child labor became and issue (1940 give or take). And if you want a real wake up to child labour look to england and chimney sweeps. Send a small kid up the flue to scrape it.
redwrench60
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I’m amazed. I can’t walk past a big battery like that without it eating pinholes in my pants or shirt. I don’t know how his clothes don’t look like they’ve been hit with a dozen shotgun blasts.
dutchgray
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Those guys do something that they may be able to make a decent living out of, because of equipment and knowledge they have to have to do it, the poorest in these countries dig through the landfills looking for scraps they can sell, or burn insulation off copper wires (usually they have bought thw wire from dealers) so they can sell it on as scrap.
We also have to remember that health and safety laws are very recent, OSHA was 1970, ours in the UK was in 1974, before then the working conditions could be terrible.
dutchgray
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Some of the earliest child labour laws in the UK were brought in to stop coal miners using their kids to haul the coal carts around in the mines and open the doors as needed which were used so the ventilation system worked properly, they were so poor the kids didn't get a lamp or candles, they worked in the dark.
Even after WW2 it was common that the working class from London took working holidays in the home counties, fruit, vegetable or hop picking, the kids worked then too, the working classes couldn't ever afford to take time off work until laws were brought into provide payed holiday, even into the 60's it was common that factorys would have an annual shut down for a week and if you worked there that was your week off.
four.cycle
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slowtwitch73 said:
you mean there are **** jobs that are shittier than working with molten lead and sulfuric acid all day with no respirators or gloves?
Renegade1LI
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Did you ever see the Indian divers that clear the bar screens in sewerage treatment plants? Not even googles.
Renegade1LI
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We take for granted how good we have it!
www.dailymail.co.uk
And you thought you had a bad job: Indian 'sewer diver' paid just £3.50 a day (plus a bottle of booze) to unclog Delhi's drains
Devi Lal, 43, is one of hundreds of impoverished Indian workers forced to scavenge a living by performing dangerous and unhygienic tasks with no safety equipment.
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I can relate, lol.
In the early 80's needing to pay the electric bill, I worked briefly in a sweat shop (their words) spray painting metal swimming pool trim and metal reinforcement pieces, for plastic injected molded pallets.
Got about an hour's worth of training, with the trainer telling me "there are dust masks over there if you want to use one." I did wear one and was a bit embarrassed with my ****** painting skills, but they said, "no, those look great, good job!" By the end of the week, they thought I was a superstar employee, quitting about a week later, when I got a real job.
In the early 80's needing to pay the electric bill, I worked briefly in a sweat shop (their words) spray painting metal swimming pool trim and metal reinforcement pieces, for plastic injected molded pallets.
Got about an hour's worth of training, with the trainer telling me "there are dust masks over there if you want to use one." I did wear one and was a bit embarrassed with my ****** painting skills, but they said, "no, those look great, good job!" By the end of the week, they thought I was a superstar employee, quitting about a week later, when I got a real job.
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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If that isn't the height of hypocrisy I don't know what is.
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slowtwitch73
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Much of started (in the US at least) after publication of The Jungle 1910 or thereabouts.
Important read..was part of my public school curriculum in the 80's. Wonder if it is now.
Half-fast eddie
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So … a general comment on the **** workers in the videos. They seem to take pride in their product. And i bet they show up every day, on time.