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jakgop21

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Good afternoon Members ,

I work in the water mitigation industry . I would like to invest in my career and purchase a thermal imager .

I found a used fluke tir online for $800 not sure if that is a good price ?

Any brand or model you recommend ?

Should I go with a used one or save for a new one with warranty .

I was looking at fluke and some flir models

Any tips , guidance or info would be greatly appreciated .

Thank you


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I wish they would get a little cheaper, the idea of pointing something at the combine and being able to see a warm bearing sounds incredible.
 

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if it's the TIR1, that model is over 10 years old, and I think you could buy a newer model with same or better specs for less. 160x120 9Hz, those are like the same specs as a $500-brand-new Flir TG267

I guess it kind of comes down to the regular camera in it, but still, 10 year old model for $800, eh

it apparently only is specced up to 100C? That's amazingly terrible. Wonder if that's actually a misprint in the spec list I am looking at.

I paid like $450 for a Flir DM284 which is a multimeter that has a 160x120 IR camera (no visible spectrum camera though). UI is super slow so I wouldn't really recommend this if your purpose is mainly IR. But I would take it over a 10-year-old $800 thermal camera every time.

The TIR1 is a model from before OP joined this site.
 
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You want to get as much resolution as you can afford. Make sure that you are comparing the thermal resolution specs and not the regular camera specs.

Some models have "extended sensitivity", which is around 1,200 degrees.

Pay attention to refresh rate. The lower end models have a slow refresh rate.

FLIR and Fluke are the top of the pile.

Both have the ability to merge the thermal and visible light image to varying degrees on later models. FLIR calls their version MSX.

FLIR predated Fluke with WiFi connectivity and the ability to shoot thermal video.

Like many electronic devices these days, OEM support is not forever. Older models get discontinued and rendered obsolete. Some parts may not be available. Older models with interchangeable lenses may require calibration of the lens to camera.

Whatever used one you buy, you need to verify features and capabilities from the manufacturer website.

There are several "second tier" brands with excellent specs...
 

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I was talking to my dad's friend about a thermal imager. He was telling me how he got one off the Snap-On truck and he uses it for auto AC issues and battery drains, among other things. I told him I'd like to get one eventually. He then suggested that I get one of the ones that plugs into a phone, as the screen would be larger than the AIO units. The last time I looked at the USB-C kind on Amazon, I believe they were $300-$400. My ONLY issue with these are that once that (or any) particular charging port style goes obsolete, I'm stuck with a useless $3-$400 piece of plastic.

I'm also curious to see how this goes.
 

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I have one of the little FLIR cameras that attaches to my old iPhone 5S, sort of a combination of battery+case+camera. I've had it for years now.

It's low resolution, so the images are tiny, but I've found it useful around the house and garage. Here are some images of the disk brake and front wire wheel on my 1962 Triumph TR3 using the various enhancement options on my little camera.

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There are standalone units for that price range. Not Fluke or Flir.

Still have to watch the thermal resolution specs and refresh rate.
 

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I researched them for home use, but anything under $500 seemed to have poor specs and reliability issues.

I once heard future cell phone cameras will have thermal imaging capabilities, but I'm not holding my breath. Probably because most users wouldn't understand it.
 

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Would buy one in a heartbeat if I could afford it. There are so many applications, it could make you money if applied right. Considering its an investment toward your career, the price shouldn't affect your decision, and this kind of technology I think I would stick with the original being FLIR. Fluke is a great name in electronic test devices, but FLIR dates back 30+ years and has proven itself in military and law enforcement.

Side note - Working for Hughes Aircraft Microelectronics Division I worked on some of the FLIR programs, so ya know it gots to be good stuff :lol_hitti
 

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I use a FLIR camera attachment for the iPhone. Use it to look for bad electrical connections or bad devices. Cost about $120. Does quite well and is light for transport.
 

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To those saying look at refresh rate, the US government restricts exported devices to 9hz without a license. This is to limit home built heat seekers essentially. That's why you'll see most cameras max out at that FPS.

Either way, FLIR is by far the leader out there. I've considered a TG267, but the reviews about inaccuracy make me nervous.
 
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To those saying look at refresh rate, the US government restricts exported devices to 9hz without a license. This is to limit home built heat seekers essentially. That's why you'll see most cameras max out at that FPS.

Either way, FLIR is by far the leader out there. I've considered a TG267, but the reviews about inaccuracy make me nervous.

I get the ITAR regulations, but every sub-$1000 camera sensor out there is imported, so ITAR does not apply, since it only applies to exports. Also, there is nothing to stop a local shop from selling an ITAR export restricted device. I've owned many such items with do-not-export stickers on them (encryption devices and not thermal cameras, as all the thermal cameras I've used have been imported).
 

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I get the ITAR regulations, but every sub-$1000 camera sensor out there is imported, so ITAR does not apply, since it only applies to exports. Also, there is nothing to stop a local shop from selling an ITAR export restricted device. I've owned many such items with do-not-export stickers on them (encryption devices and not thermal cameras, as all the thermal cameras I've used have been imported).
The thing is, places like the EU and other nations put the same ITAR like restrictions on their devices. Also, why build devices that can only be sold under certain circumstances to certain places....they'll build devices that are globally accepted and easy to distribute. These are also expensive devices, so a larger market is what gets us to devices under $1000 that we can actually buy in the first place.

Sure you can go buy a FLIR off the shelf in the US with 30hz capability, but it will also cost $5-10 grand.
 

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I saw a video where a guy was using the Flir C30 and it made me want one. I was curious how well the phone add on ones work
 

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Good afternoon Members ,

I work in the water mitigation industry . I would like to invest in my career and purchase a thermal imager .

I found a used fluke tir online for $800 not sure if that is a good price ?

Any brand or model you recommend ?

Should I go with a used one or save for a new one with warranty .

I was looking at fluke and some flir models

Any tips , guidance or info would be greatly appreciated .

Thank you


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Whatever you get, take the time to learn how to properly use it. It's more than just point and shoot. We have a Fluke at work. Frankly, it hasn't proven to be particularly useful at pinpointing issues.
 

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Whatever you get, take the time to learn how to properly use it. It's more than just point and shoot. We have a Fluke at work. Frankly, it hasn't proven to be particularly useful at pinpointing issues.

What sort of issues are you looking for with it? I find mine invaluable at troubleshooting electrical connections. But yes, it takes some good knowledge to be able to interpret an image.
 
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Is there a big difference in between the 320x240 and 240x180 to justify the additional cost or not really going to be able to tell the difference in resolution ?


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Is there a big difference in between the 320x240 and 240x180 to justify the additional cost or not really going to be able to tell the difference in resolution ?

320x240 is nearly twice the resolution that 240x180 is. And it is 4x the resolution of 160x120.

Does it matter? Well, it really depends on what you want to do with it.
 

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Is there a big difference in between the 320x240 and 240x180 to justify the additional cost or not really going to be able to tell the difference in resolution ?


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Yes, there is a big difference. My first thermal imager was 16x16. I've got a 320x240 unit at work currently.

Lower resolution units can still get you good thermal images, but you need to get up close and personal with everything, scanning sometimes from inches away to get sufficient detail to distinguish what you are looking for.
 

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Anyone have an experience or opinion of this Klein thermal imager-

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-T...250/313993285?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US

A friend asked about that one just the other day. My very limited education says it seems OK. My qualifications don't quite rise to Holiday Inn Express, more like I stayed at a Motel 6.

I recently bought a refurb Flir One Pro. I like it but the phone connection part is less than ideal. I bought an older USB mini version since it was $250 vs $400 for new with USB-C. I can use it with my older phone or, via an adapter, with my current phone. I'm considering getting a USB C extension cable so I don't have to worry about a simple knock, drop breaking the connector.

Turning the thing on is a bit of a hassle since you have to power up the phone and app (since this isn't my normal phone I keep it off). You also have to power up the device as it has it's own battery. I wish it was powered off the phone but nope.

Anyway, based on my research it seems like phone based is the best option in terms of image and features for a low price. Data capture is a easy since I can send pictures from my phone. However, the trade off is you have to deal with a clunky setup. I wouldn't hand it over to my wife and expect she would figure it out. Conversely, an all in one unit should be easier to operate for basic stuff but you have to use a memory card to transfer pictures.

Also, mine has the dual camera setup where you can blend the heat map with a photo to help you understand what you are looking at. That Klien doesn't have that feature. I don't see that as an issue when you are looking at the image and the real object. It might be an issue if you are looking at saved pictures.

Since I'm less concerned about complexity during use (or for others), care about cost quite a bit since this is largely a toy for me, and field use durability isn't a concern I favor the phone based models. I might change my mind if I had to put this in my toolbox every day. It would be nice to handle these things before buying.
 
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Yes, there is a big difference. My first thermal imager was 16x16. I've got a 320x240 unit at work currently.

Lower resolution units can still get you good thermal images, but you need to get up close and personal with everything, scanning sometimes from inches away to get sufficient detail to distinguish what you are looking for.


Currently it will be used in my career in the water mitigation industry for checking moisture mapping and how far water has travelled . My co worker has a flir c 2 and my boss has an earlier fluke model.

I have done some electrical work in the past also and may use this for electrical work down the road for circuit breaker temperatures and connection issues as previous posters have mentioned .


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I can see these being useful in an otherwise thermally "quiet" environment where a fault is going to stand out clearly against a cooler background. They are less useful in a complex mechanical situation where a failure may be developing in a machine that has a case temperature of 400F-500F. There is also the problem of distance to the temperature source, where you may or may not be reading the temperature of the exact area you are trying to measure. The colour and surface finish of the object and reflected energy from the surrounding area also introduces errors in measurement. Our camera has mostly gotten used by staff borrowing it with permission to look for air leaks in their houses.

I believe ours is a Fluke Ti10.
 

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The sensitivity range can be adjusted, at least on the better cameras.

It could be set to show 500-505 degrees, for example, instead of the entire default range of the imager.
 
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