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Broncoman

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Just got back online after almost a month without a computer. I came home from work in the afternoon to find a back window busted in and my door standing wide open. The thieves got my laptop,camera,dvd's,electronics,almost all of my power tools, lots of my snap on tools, weedeater, it had to be a pretty good truck or van load of stuff.

The reason I'm putting this in the tool discussion is that I made a few mistakes that hopefully somebody can learn from. I always stapled my reciepts to the owners manuals and kept them in the power tools case. File this stuff away and dont keep it with the tool. It really helps for insurance purposes. Write your seral numbers down on the manual also. Next take pictures or videos of your tools and keep these somewhere other than on your computer. Its impossible to remember everything you have until you need it and go to get it and its gone.

And thank God for gun safes, they did not get any of those!
 
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Yeah, I'm pretty nervous about having my garage broken into. I typically don't let anyone in there so that they don't know what I have. All windows, including the garage door windows are covered so nobody can sneak a peak. I also never leave the garage door fully open. That way nobody can really see what is going on in there from the road.
 

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Yeah, I'm pretty nervous about having my garage broken into. I typically don't let anyone in there so that they don't know what I have. All windows, including the garage door windows are covered so nobody can sneak a peak. I also never leave the garage door fully open. That way nobody can really see what is going on in there from the road.

I think that last part is definitely something more people need to think about. I have several neighbors around here who, for reasons I cannot fathom, routinely leave their garage doors open for hours on end during the day and even at night. There's rarely if ever anyone in there and all their 'stuff' is out in the open for everyone to see their tools/junk, etc. There's even a couple idiots that leave it wide open ALL night, lights out, no exterior lights on at all. They do this repeatedly, it's not a one off thing. Not sure if they're simply careless or just totally brain dead, but wow. :wtf:

Of course these same people gave me grief for not attending the neighborhood watch meeting when a local police officer was giving out tips to avoid break-ins. The irony just kills me.
 

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I know how you feel Broncoman...the rental I was staying at last was burglarized and many of my things were stolen too. The thiefs simply kicked in the door, which likely wasnt that hard. Think about it, a door is only as strong as the frame the deadbolt goes into!

What we should chat about is prevention!

At my new house I immediately replaced the original door with a steel one from Home Depot...It was around $170 and is very sturdy and people cant peek inside.

I also lag bolted some scrap I welded together to prevent anyone from kicking it in. They would have to get through some 3/8'' plate and rip the 4'' lagbolts out to get inside with the deadbolt locked!

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The reason I'm putting this in the tool discussion is that I made a few mistakes that hopefully somebody can learn from. I always stapled my reciepts to the owners manuals and kept them in the power tools case. File this stuff away and dont keep it with the tool. It really helps for insurance purposes. Write your seral numbers down on the manual also. Next take pictures or videos of your tools and keep these somewhere other than on your computer. Its impossible to remember everything you have until you need it and go to get it and its gone.

Man I am so sorry to hear of this. And thanks for the kick in the pants. I am doing everything wrong. I will start doing it right this very evening.
 

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Wow, that ***** man.

+ 1 on the serial numbers

I had my computer stolen last year (by my roommates crack addict cousin, who we "agreed" would never set foot in out apartment again), but luckily I had the serial number and the cops found it at a pawnshop down the road. The ******* got $50 for $1200 worth of computer stuff.

I think that last part is definitely something more people need to think about. I have several neighbors around here who, for reasons I cannot fathom, routinely leave their garage doors open for hours on end during the day and even at night. There's rarely if ever anyone in there and all their 'stuff' is out in the open for everyone to see their tools/junk, etc. There's even a couple idiots that leave it wide open ALL night, lights out, no exterior lights on at all. They do this repeatedly, it's not a one off thing. Not sure if they're simply careless or just totally brain dead, but wow. :wtf:

Of course these same people gave me grief for not attending the neighborhood watch meeting when a local police officer was giving out tips to avoid break-ins. The irony just kills me.

I have a couple stories like this from when I was in high school. First, a friends family had a habit of leaving their garage door open, all day. They lived in a pretty high end neighborhood, but still. One day, he was working on his truck, went inside for half an hour to cool off, walked outside again, and all his tools were gone. Second, our neighbor had a habit of leaving their garage door open 24hrs a day. One night, I let the dog out and noticed some odd shapes in the yard. A bunch of kids had broken 3 of our brand new trees over about 1 foot up from the ground. Apparently, quite a bit of beer was stolen out of our neighbors garage, and there were damaged trees all over the neighborhood. Idiots.
 

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that ***** big time, we are all glad they did not get your avatar though. hope that makes you laugh because i would cry if someone stole my stuff
 

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Never had the house broken into but I have had 3 auto break ins.

We have replaced the doors on the house and garage with heavy duty ones. Before putting the trim in place I screwed a big piece of 1/8th angle iron into the studs. The dead bolt goes through the door jambs and the angle iron. The striker plate screws go through the jamb, the angle iron, and into the studs. The hinges have extra long screws that go into the studs. We have dead bolt locked gates to the back yard and bougainvillea growing around the entry areas. We're also thinking about doing a video surveillance system. Somone could get in if they really wanted to, but I think what is in place will be too much trouble for most and they will move on to a softer target.
 

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FWIW another upgrade I think is worth while, although fairly expensive, is better windows. Double paned glass, at least the high quality stuff, is much harder for people to easily break through, especially compared to the paper-thin original windows on some places. I like the noise reduction and better thermal insulation, but for me it was just as much about the added security.
 

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b-i-l is a LEO. He is currently in property crimes. He strongly recommended to me, Lowjack for laptops, and went into how many they have recovered.

I then found and sent him a link on an open source version, since I run Linux.

My other thoughts and experiences on thieves, well, this IS a family friendly forum.
 

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Time to put mines.....
By the window,on the floor, I would put plywood with nails sticking out, dipped in a nasty solution....... ha ha. die die thiefs!!!!!!!!
(LIKE DEATHWISH 3..... Ha die, thiefs!!!!)
 
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I replaced all the doors in my home with steel ones six months ago

Autoguy, do you have that much of a problem with theft where you're at? I thought y'all whacked off a hand if you caught someone stealing.:shocking:
 
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that ***** big time, we are all glad they did not get your avatar though. hope that makes you laugh because i would cry if someone stole my stuff

You got a chuckle out of me on that one...

Like I've been telling my kids, it's just stuff, we can replace it(what bother me the most though is them taking my kids piggy banks, and little girls jewerly), but I'm hoping this wont scar them for life...
 
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Good news is my insurance seems to be stepping up, I had replacement cost for stolen items, they were balking at first until the adjuster came out to the house I saw how orginized what was left in the garage was...empty spots in the drawers of my snap on chests where sets of things were missing, empty spots on orginized shelves where power tool cases were, plus I had some of my snap on receipts, and a handful of receipts from auctions where I buy a lot of tools...luckly I had just been tossing these in a drawer.

One of the things I have done since the break in is to take thick plastic (kind of clear) that mattresses come sealed in, and covered the garage windows and door window, this allows light to still come in, but on the outside looking in you cannot tell what if anything is on the inside. I just strectched it tight and stapled it up, it does not look to bad...the other main thing I did was get ADT...hope it helps!
 

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Wow, that *****, my sincere condolences.

We had some vandalism, just kids, but here in California that isn't a crime, isn't investigated or prosecuted unless it runs into very high five figures.
Since we sometimes take off with the motorhome for months at a time I had bars put on the windows, a very nice security door on the rear door and a gated fence on the front of the house. My garage is on my alarm, with motion detectors like the house itself.
No windows on my garage and on my new shop, when/if it is ever completed, will have steel doors, alarm, and of course, no windows.

We also have a 60 lb fury mobile alarm that is better than any wired alarm. She loves people, except at night, or when we aren’t home. Then she’s all teeth and sound.


By the way, leaving your garage door closed ALL the time causes premature spring failure.
I almost never have mine open, so I have to replace the springs about every 4-5 years. The only time they 'rest' is when the door is fully open.
Every time I break one, I hear from the garage door guys that I need to leave it open more...
Worth it to break springs. People cruise neighborhoods looking for things worth stealing in garages.
 
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Good idea. I used tissue paper - the type used for wrapping purposes. I get light coming in but you can't see anything when looking in.

One of the things I have done since the break in is to take thick plastic (kind of clear) that mattresses come sealed in, and covered the garage windows and door window, this allows light to still come in, but on the outside looking in you cannot tell what if anything is on the inside. I just strectched it tight and stapled it up, it does not look to bad...the other main thing I did was get ADT...hope it helps!
 

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All my exterior doors swing out like commercial doors. I don't know why resi doors swing in besides making it easy to kick them in. You have to kick in the whole frame when they open outwards. But then anyone with a cordless sawzall or circular saw with a metal cutting blade can cut through anything holding the door back in a few seconds.

I hope I never experience a break in, if my wife or I are at home when they come in, it will be last last time the thief breaks in anywhere.
 
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Around here, there is NO WAY an outswing door would work

That is, unless you like getting trapped inside your house during the winter..... pretty hard to open an outswing when there is a 4' tall snow drift against it:spit:
 

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Around here, there is NO WAY an outswing door would work

That is, unless you like getting trapped inside your house during the winter..... pretty hard to open an outswing when there is a 4' tall snow drift against it:spit:

Outswing doors (presumably w/ tamper resistant hinges) are the solution to the wrong problem. The correct solution is an alarm tied into a paging company, instructed to page YOU first, then popo, backed up by a dog who loves you and dislikes strangers, especially when you're not around.

If you're really concerned, conspicuous DECOY cameras backed up by HIDDEN real ones is the next step.

If you consider what you spend in tools, these relatively simple measures are a bargain in terms of insurance.

Bottom line is that you don't want to make your place theft proof, just less attractive than the guy down the road's.

It's like running away from an angry, hungry bear. You don't have to run faster than the bear, just faster than your companions.
 

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And thank God for gun safes, they did not get any of those!

To bad they didn't get some of your bullets, though.

Yeah, I'm pretty nervous about having my garage broken into. I typically don't let anyone in there so that they don't know what I have. All windows, including the garage door windows are covered so nobody can sneak a peak. I also never leave the garage door fully open. That way nobody can really see what is going on in there from the road.

I do the same. Any time I sell something on craigslist, it goes out in the driveway. Nobody needs to see the inside of my house or garage. All my windows have shades on them, and they stay closed.

I want to get an alarm system, but I only want it to page me. Forget about notifying the cops.
 

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Theft *****. I'm still mad about stuff taken decades ago.

I'm not sure most if any alarms are worth a hoot. What I have heard a thief will do is throw a rock through a window, then watch what happens from a safe distance. If the cops don't see any sign of a break in, after a couple more rocks they don't show up.

Or a thief is in and out in less than 3 minutes.

Lights and cameras are what I expect to see more and more of.

Main thing that will happen soon or later, legalize drugs, and remove the root cause of most theft.
 

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there have been a few break ins in my area over the last year or so, i understand why though. we live in a pretty well off part of town, and a few miles down the road is well not well off at all. so some guys were coming up here and breakin into cars, garages, and a few houses. both my neighbors got hit, we didnt.

motion sensor lights are great, as are two very friendly dogs, who arent too small. but the detached garage, it seems to look like an easy target, but its my little fort knox. expanded steel inside the windows that are frosted lexan. i get plenty of light, but the lexan is hard to break when its in a good frame, and even if they do the steel mesh is there.

for people who are worried they make a film you apply to glass to make it much harder to break. its not cheap but not super expensive either. and if you have the emergency cords on your garage door openers cut them off, lots of times they'll break a window in the door and pull the handle so they can open the door. some of these guys are pretty good at what they do, but most of the time its some poor ***** lookin for quick cash
 

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That's terrible about the break-in. =(
I'm wanting to setup webcams in hidden locations that record to a computer 24/7. There is software that will register when there's motion, and I want to hook it up to a cell so it will send me a text message or call me when there's movement when there isn't supposed to be. I'm behind a computer all day at work, so if I get paged it would be easy for me to login to my computer remotely to monitor the webcams and call the police if needed.
A high resolution camera on the driveway is also a must, for license plates and face identification.
Backup power is also a good idea. I wouldn't go for a nuclear bunker backup generator type thing, just some heavy batteries that will power the alarm system in case the power is cut.
I also don't move my roll away boxes very often so I pull the casters off of them so they don't, well, roll away.
 

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I have three things going for me in my garage:

1. It has its own alarm system. Its both separate from, yet connected to the house alarm.

2. Its so small that when two cars are parked in it, along will all my stuff, you can't get to any of my tools or even the door to the house!

3. I have a big *** DOG!

I really hate this happened to you. I hate thieves. They are about #3 on my list of the worst people in the world. Keep your eye out on CL and eBay. You never know. If you have any local pawn shops, you might want to check in those too. I strongly suggest that everyone video tape everything they own. Make sure you get the SN in the shot if it is small enough to carry. My sister did this and was able to argue with the insurance company about the actual value of stolen items. It also can help the police actually find those items. Keep the tape/DVD/file in a secure location.
 

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Just got back online after almost a month without a computer. I came home from work in the afternoon to find a back window busted in and my door standing wide open. The thieves got my laptop,camera,dvd's,electronics,almost all of my power tools, lots of my snap on tools, weedeater, it had to be a pretty good truck or van load of stuff.

The reason I'm putting this in the tool discussion is that I made a few mistakes that hopefully somebody can learn from. I always stapled my reciepts to the owners manuals and kept them in the power tools case. File this stuff away and dont keep it with the tool. It really helps for insurance purposes. Write your seral numbers down on the manual also. Next take pictures or videos of your tools and keep these somewhere other than on your computer. Its impossible to remember everything you have until you need it and go to get it and its gone.

And thank God for gun safes, they did not get any of those!

BUmmer - where in VA?
 

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Reminder about tool boxes and safes...you'd be amazed how easily one big properly-motivated man can put a dolly under a heavy object and just roll it away.

If you have a stationary tool box, or a safe, it's only making you feel secure until you bolt it to the concrete beneath. Then it actually is secure.

MOST safes that are stolen, are just wheeled away in a theft, because the owner didn't bolt it down! :shocking:
 

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Time to put mines.....
By the window,on the floor, I would put plywood with nails sticking out, dipped in a nasty solution....... ha ha. die die thiefs!!!!!!!!
(LIKE DEATHWISH 3..... Ha die, thiefs!!!!)

Is this a good idea?:lol_hitti:lol_hitti
 

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About a month ago two guys attempted to break into my house. Luckily my mom was home. She had been hearing things downstairs but just figured it was my brother coming in from work. She finally looked out the window(she was on the 2nd story) and two guys were prying the kitchen window open with a putty knife. She was so freaked out that she started yelling and beating on the window. So they ran off. Well a month later and the cops still haven't gotten any leads or they haven't been trying. So does anyone have opinions on a brand of security systems. She has talked to Vector, Brinks, ADT, and a local guy but can't make up her mind. PLEASE give some opinions. BTW where are you at in Virginia.
 

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About a month ago two guys attempted to break into my house. Luckily my mom was home. She had been hearing things downstairs but just figured it was my brother coming in from work. She finally looked out the window(she was on the 2nd story) and two guys were prying the kitchen window open with a putty knife. She was so freaked out that she started yelling and beating on the window. So they ran off. Well a month later and the cops still haven't gotten any leads or they haven't been trying. So does anyone have opinions on a brand of security systems. She has talked to Vector, Brinks, ADT, and a local guy but can't make up her mind. PLEASE give some opinions. BTW where are you at in Virginia.

Buy her a gun....... and teacher how to shoot.....:lol_hitti
 

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She does have one and goes to the shooting range once in a while. But she was so scared and in disbelief. That was just her first reaction.
 

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Theft *****. I'm still mad about stuff taken decades ago.

I'm not sure most if any alarms are worth a hoot. What I have heard a thief will do is throw a rock through a window, then watch what happens from a safe distance. If the cops don't see any sign of a break in, after a couple more rocks they don't show up.

Or a thief is in and out in less than 3 minutes.

Lights and cameras are what I expect to see more and more of.

Main thing that will happen soon or later, legalize drugs, and remove the root cause of most theft.

Most home alarms are never connected to a window break, FYI.

They use door and motion detectors on homes.

And when the motion detectors go off, the owner gets called every time.

Sometimes it’s a pain as false alarms are much more common than they should be.


Window break alarms are mostly for businesses, where the manager gets a phone call whenever it breaks, before the police are called.

With over a 100 stores in my region we never failed to be informed about an actual break in.

Problem was, my managers got called for false alarms at least once a month on average. Police are not called unless 20 minutes have passed with no response from the store people.

Oddly, while jewelry stores suffer from ‘3 minute’ robberies a lot, most retail outlet robberies take hours, much like home robberies. The guy is usually stoned, usually clumsy, usually going through things looking for cash or easy to pawn stuff.

In close to 40 years of alarm calls, at lots of stores, with lots of guys being arrested, (even quite a few held by the store manager), I seldom ran into a sober criminal, and never into a TV/Movie type ‘professional criminal’.


Lots of guys with long records, looking for money to blow on broads (polite term they seldom used) drugs, stereo systems, booze, etc.

Also never had any wanting to actually USE the tools they were stealing.

These folks were mostly immature lazy types, who didn’t work. Some into their 40’s, who had never held a job, never had a tendency to work.
Most were welfare kids grown up, others were serious drug users, not stealing to ‘buy a fix’ but stealing because they wanted money. DUH. And didn’t want to work for it.


I’ve sat through almost 100 trials. Part of doing business.

Been jury foreman 6 times when it wasn’t one of my stores robbed. (I always get trapped into being the foreman. Better to heard cats).

Never seen the ‘junkie just trying to get a fix’ or seen the ‘drug turf gang war’ criminal in real life.

The ‘drug related crimes’ I see are the loaded guy breaking and entering because his judgment (if he ever had any) was long gone by the time he climbed on the roof to break the skylight (commonest entry point).

The ‘turf war’ crimes I have seen, and Lord, there are a lot of them, are just that, TURF WARS.
These usually because some gang banger was on the wrong street, looked at the wrong woman or ‘disrespected’ a guy at the mall.


Gang violence like this was VERY common in the late 30’s and early 40’s in LA, still the gang capitol of the world.

But in those days people didn’t try to find excuses for them, just blamed the culture that loves and glorifies tribalism.

Now, it excuses tribalism and looks for reasons to justify tribal behavior.
 

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Reminder about tool boxes and safes...you'd be amazed how easily one big properly-motivated man can put a dolly under a heavy object and just roll it away.

If you have a stationary tool box, or a safe, it's only making you feel secure until you bolt it to the concrete beneath. Then it actually is secure.

MOST safes that are stolen, are just wheeled away in a theft, because the owner didn't bolt it down! :shocking:

Yup, when they stole the safe out of one of my stores, it was because they hadn't bolted it down yet!
The theives rolled this big orange Tidel cash controller out using the store's dolly, and stuffed it into the trunk of their Pontiac.


Got about two miles before a passing patrol car sort of noticed a large orange safe sticking out of the trunk...:lol_hitti
Funny as heck.
 

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I'm guilty of not bolting down my tool box which i removed the casters from, the dolly is no more than 15 feet away too. I'll be fixing that today. :)
I never thought of the skylight as an entry point, but it makes sense. easy access, easy to break, and doesn't make a lot of noise.
 
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