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I lack competency in the manipulation of sheet metal, in the proper and safe repair of hydraulics, and in all things paint. As a result, several projects here are suffering.

I would like to pay for top-notch restorations of a few items that deserve more than a first-timer's best attempt.

In no particular order:

Project #1
Snap-On KRA-109 Metal Box - Stripping, straightening, and refinishing.

It will hold puller components, and will live in a clean, dry place.




 
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Project #2
Sears 104.11611 1-1/2 T Floor jack - Refurbish Hydraulics

I really like the way this old Walker-type looks in green, and would prefer to preserve the original paint if possible. The primary need is for the hydraulic unit to be at its very best.



 
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I have increased need for project #1 to get underway. It's now not the only Snap-On carry box that I have which needs blasting and restoration. I live in central Maryland and would gladly bring it or them to you.
 

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It's hard to imagine no one has jumped in to help. This is what I do. Let me say first that sandblasting is not good for all things. A nice box like that needs to be handled with care. Soda blasting or lower pressure media blasting such as walnut shells would not warp or harden the metal.

Why not look up Cudachick on this forum and send it to her?

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/member.php?u=86093
 

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Electrolysis would work great for stripping project #1. It would take off the rust and the paint. Then you could us rattle can to paint. Not that hard of a project.
 

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I'll tell you what, come on down and I'll HELP you with a couple of those. I have enough of my own projects that I don't need side work but I'll be absolutely happy to let you/help you use my soda/sand/whatever blaster and whatever else you need. Even though I have a walker ****** jack that needs it, I've yet to replace seals in one so I'd rather not tackle that one.
 

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I'll tell you what, come on down and I'll HELP you with a couple of those. I have enough of my own projects that I don't need side work but I'll be absolutely happy to let you/help you use my soda/sand/whatever blaster and whatever else you need. Even though I have a walker ****** jack that needs it, I've yet to replace seals in one so I'd rather not tackle that one.

Hell, 2 for the price of 1. You can kill 2 birds with one stone and blah, blah....
 

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Here's something I'd like to have restored, but can't justify spending the money on. It's and old water cooler/drinking fountain from the Zephyr Water Co. of Los Angeles. The glass jug inside was broken in transport....What do you think of this, Zeke?
 

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Hey,

With luck someone has the time and is near you so you can go there and help watch the process and learn. I am not and do not have the time at the moment to consider your projects sorry. I am trying to finish up one for my Dad heading out to Maine for vacation at the end of the month. The vise I could handle and the jack (Parts Depending) . The box as has been said needs a light touch strip. soda, walnut shells, or plastic media. Perhaps CudaChick on here could help you on it and have it powder coated instead of painted,

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Hey,

With luck someone has the time and is near you so you can go there and help watch the process and learn. I am not and do not have the time at the moment to consider your projects sorry. I am trying to finish up one for my Dad heading out to Maine for vacation at the end of the month. The vise I could handle and the jack (Parts Depending) . The box as has been said needs a light touch strip. soda, walnut shells, or plastic media. Perhaps CudaChick on here could help you on it and have it powder coated instead of painted,

Cypher

Not that I'm by any means trying to steal CudaChick's work, but we could powder it here in my shop too.......but again, I'm offering to help, not DO.
 
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I appreciate the offer of help. I am actually looking for someone to do this. Someone who can do it really, really well. So far, the work hasn't been discussed or promised to anyone. Time is something I don't have a ton of right now.
 

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I appreciate the offer of help. I am actually looking for someone to do this. Someone who can do it really, really well. So far, the work hasn't been discussed or promised to anyone. Time is something I don't have a ton of right now.

You and I both brotha...........but, the offer stands.
 

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I would say you're not getting many takers on the the deal because you have mentioned you want them done really really good but haven't mentioned paying a really really good price. Not trying to sound like a jerk but depending on what you call really really good, a man could wind up with every bit of 20-60 hours wrapped up in that toolbox alone working out every minor warp in it, making it better than the day it was made. Then spray the perfect color match to the original color in the best automotive single stage paint. Afterwards it would be sanded/ buffed inside every nook and cranny by hand that a polisher won't reach. That is going to run into money, heck the polish job would probably be 15 hours at least because most of the inside would have to be done by hand. Are you willing to pay at least $25 per hour for really really good for an old metal box? I say have it media blasted and rattle can the thing. It takes 30 minutes tops to spray some paint in very light coats for somebody that's scared of all things paint, skip a little sleep for that half hours worth of work and save yourself a bundle of cash!

The vice, are you using it? If so pay the neighbor kid $50 hand him a wire brush on a drill, some primer, and the color of your choice and tell him to go to town. If you're not using it, once again are you really willing to pay the hourly rate of really really good?

The jack, take it to a hydraulic shop or equipment repair facility and warn them to not jack with any of the paint.
 

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I would say you're not getting many takers on the the deal because you have mentioned you want them done really really good but haven't mentioned paying a really really good price. Not trying to sound like a jerk but depending on what you call really really good, a man could wind up with every bit of 20-60 hours wrapped up in that toolbox alone working out every minor warp in it, making it better than the day it was made.

I was thinking similar, so you're not coming across poorly. :) An expectation of perfection requires a suitably large wallet. It's a simple fact. There's nothing in that list, bar possibly the jack, which wouldn't cost far more than they're worth to be done to the level which the OP appears to want.

People tend to overlook the fact that when we work on our own stuff, we put that time in because it's our own stuff. It would rarely, if ever, be economically viable to do that work in a business sense unless the customer had seriously deep pockets.
 
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TJ: i'm not the one for the job and I've paid to have some Wilton bullet vises restored several years ago before i became a member of GJ. one of the guys is a member and does a great job, but he has plenty of his own stuff to do so he isn't willing to do one for $125 and i don't blame him. i know he was giving me a deal because one wrong move on those Wiltons and you are buying a new part and they don't come cheap.

as far as the tool box it looks like you could make a few tries at it yourself or see what it would cost to blast it with walnuts and powder coat it.

i'm not a hydraulic guy so i usually sell those in as is condition to somebody that has those skills and we have a few experts here so check out those threads.

maybe put in your next post how much you'd be willing to pay for each restoration and also how picky your are and see if anybody on here wants the job. otherwise there is enough information on here to do those and maybe you'll have a good excuse to buy another good tool.

Tucko: nice looking old water fountain and can you buy plastic filtered water bottles to fit under the metal cover?
 

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And to add to my previous post, I have many little projects like this. I do them as I find time which is very precious little. I have my fathers 1/2" drive sockets set I refinished a couple years ago out of boredom waiting on something to dry. I didn't do a perfect job but I made it better than it was. I threw the box in the blast cabinet gave it a quick once over, blowed it off, and dug through my paint cabinet. Found a color I thought would work, painted it, then pinstriped it just for fun. Took me a day to do it in between working on a paying job. It is far from perfect but I get compliments when someone sees it in my big box. I've done a few boxes for people since, which I did a far better job for them than me but I was getting paid pretty good to do so. One that comes to mind was an old Craftsman 26" box that was 70s vintage I painted to match a guys car, 57 Chevy torquiose. Turned out beautiful but he was out $175ish in materials and another $600 in labor..... That was me giving a deal because I didn't really know how to price it and believe me I'll charge more next time!!!
 
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Here's something I'd like to have restored, but can't justify spending the money on. It's and old water cooler/drinking fountain from the Zephyr Water Co. of Los Angeles. The glass jug inside was broken in transport....What do you think of this, Zeke?

Man, I love that Tucko. That is something you don't see every day. I would love to see that restored.

To the OP:
I've restored a number of tool boxes and each one of those presented problems. Many believe the prices that Rick Restorations throw out on his show are crazy numbers. I do not.
 
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I wish I had money to throw at it. I can't find any online reference to a Zephyr Water Co. of Los Angeles....
 

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You could possibly find an old time glass blower to custom make the bulb/tank, if you could find a picture of one original. But ooooohhh $$$$$.
 
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It's hard to imagine no one has jumped in to help. This is what I do. Let me say first that sandblasting is not good for all things. A nice box like that needs to be handled with care. Soda blasting or lower pressure media blasting such as walnut shells would not warp or harden the metal.

Why not look up Cudachick on this forum and send it to her?

Zeke,

I've been looking at her work. Pretty amazing stuff. There are a few automotive projects farther down on the to-do list that her powder work would be absolutely perfect for. For these boxes, though, I'd really like to stick with paint.

We appear to live on opposite sides of the country, but is this the type of job you would take on?


You and I both brotha...........but, the offer stands.

Thank you, twertsy.


I would say you're not getting many takers on the the deal because you have mentioned you want them done really really good but haven't mentioned paying a really really good price.

I think I indicated my intent when I titled the thread.


Not trying to sound like a jerk[,] but depending on what you call really really good, a man could wind up with every bit of 20-60 hours wrapped up in that toolbox alone working out every minor warp in it, making it better than the day it was made. Then spray the perfect color match to the original color in the best automotive single stage paint. Afterwards it would be sanded/ buffed inside every nook and cranny by hand that a polisher won't reach. That is going to run into money, heck the polish job would probably be 15 hours at least because most of the inside would have to be done by hand.

Technically, a man could also shave off his eyelids, develop an addiction to being bitten in the ******** by small, venomous snakes, sell his family, leave behind all of his belongings, and apply to join Cirque du Soleil as an animal husbandry expert. Making such a suggestion might be fun (from a certain point of view), but it's not realistic to expect either that I'll pursue it or that I'll accept the notion that in a black-and-white view of this situation my options are strictly limited to either being charged as much as the GDP of Switzerland in order to have a surer hand than mine media blast and paint a small metal box...or simply attempting to complete the task on my own without the needed measures of time, experience, tooling, or materials.

It is possible to stretch and milk a small job indefinitely and call it quality-added. It's even possible to charge for every minute of the process of stretching and milking. That's not what I'm after. Price is to be set by the qualified workman, and is a conversation I'll have with persons who are both capable of and interested in personally completing the jobs at hand.


People tend to overlook the fact that when we work on our own stuff, we put that time in because it's our own stuff. It would rarely, if ever, be economically viable to do that work in a business sense unless the customer had seriously deep pockets.

I understand what you are trying to say, but I don't agree with you on either point. People in general are very mindful of the notion that if you, as the owner of a job, want a job done to your own liking, quite often you must complete it yourself in order to get the desired result. It's become common language. This type of work (or any type of work) becomes economically viable in a business sense when a business is geared toward doing it. Have a 30's Cadillac at home, and need to have its transmission rebuilt and restored to factory condition? There is someone for the task. They won't complete it for free, but that's not what we're going for here.


Here's something I'd like to have restored, but can't justify spending the money on. It's and old water cooler/drinking fountain from the Zephyr Water Co. of Los Angeles. The glass jug inside was broken in transport....What do you think of this, Zeke?

Tucko,

That is a very nice water dispenser. It probably deserves its own separate restoration thread. Let's see what we can do about getting your posts on that topic moved there.
 

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Man, its too bad your on the East Coast, I could take care of the box & vise for you. Almost did a jack just like yours last year, but some of the parts are unremovable and would really make it difficult to do a good job.
 

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Is there an emotional attachment to these items?

If you're willing to pay $400 for a toolbox restore on a $100 box, that doesn't sound like a right-minded choice.
 
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Is there an emotional attachment to these items?

If you're willing to pay $400 for a toolbox restore on a $100 box, that doesn't sound like a right-minded choice.

That might not. From where are you drawing the example and your figures, D?
 

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Initial purchase price + shipping both directions + materials and labor = $400 in my estimate for a job "done to your liking".

$15 an hour for 15 hours is $225 alone.
 

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Never said a thing about milking a job. Just what I'm gathering from your description of what you want, you want beyond better than the day it was made. All I can say bud is I gave a couple suggestions. What you call milking, I call being careful trying not to f$&k up hours of work. When f$&kups happen, it costs time, time is money. So if I have to rub my fingers to the bone with compound and a rag to keep the possible f$&kup at bay, fingers be danged. In most cases I'll even cut the hours down because I like return business.

If you find someone to work at the $15 an hour rate that does good work like d.mcfarland suggested, take it! As I attempted to get you to understand someone with TALENT and KNOWHOW to restore something to better than new is not going to come by cheap, hence my $25 per hour quote. But instead of soaking it in you make your comment acting like I'm an a$$hat. That's ok. Maybe I am, I've been called an a$$hole many times in life. Never though have I been accused of not knowing what I'm talking about when it comes to returning something to like new or better condition. It's almost like I make a decent living from doing so. While I have strayed away from older junk anymore I still take it in on occasion, the reason I have is I make more money fighting with insurance work verses dealing with guys that want to argue I charge too much to put my time into restoring their junk.
So at the end of my comment, I apologize if you feel I'm the son of the milkman, I just gave you an honest answer and also threw in a suggestion, your thread doesn't say anything about paying what it's worth, you just said you want to pay others. That can go so many different ways. Were you meaning to pay what it's worth to get someone to restore your items or were you planning on handing out chump change to have someone give their best shot at trying to please you, only to not come close to your 'very picky' expectations?
 

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I understand what you are trying to say, but I don't agree with you on either point. People in general are very mindful of the notion that if you, as the owner of a job, want a job done to your own liking, quite often you must complete it yourself in order to get the desired result. It's become common language. This type of work (or any type of work) becomes economically viable in a business sense when a business is geared toward doing it. Have a 30's Cadillac at home, and need to have its transmission rebuilt and restored to factory condition? There is someone for the task. They won't complete it for free, but that's not what we're going for here.

A gearbox rebuild is a completely different beast. That's a purely mechanical task. What you're after is mechanical/physical restoration whilst also wanting the aesthetics catered to too. There's acceptable and there's good. You want perfection, by the sounds of it, and there is likely no business which is generally geared towards that requirement, as it is such a time consuming and thankless task. A business is out there to make money, and these days, unfortunately, perfection rarely comes into that equation.

We'll just agree to disagree on this point, but unless you've ever done any restoration work yourself, believe you me, whatever work you think is involved can generally be doubled at least. To put it subtly, it's a ballache.
 
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[...] your thread doesn't say anything about paying what it's worth, you just said you want to pay others. That can go so many different ways. Were you meaning to pay what it's worth to get someone to restore your items or were you planning on handing out chump change to have someone give their best shot at trying to please you, only to not come close to your 'very picky' expectations?

This is the first time you have asked me that question.

[...]Don't start a thread if you can't handle a straight answer.

Hello and a hearty handshake to you, too.

Now. Are you offering your services for any of the projects posted?
 

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This is the first time you have asked me that question.

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Hello and a hearty handshake to you, too.

Now. Are you offering your services for any of the projects posted?

How about you cut to the chase and just mention your maximum budget for each piece. People then can choose whether to entertain your requests or not.


This really shouldn't be a difficult search.

From your point of view. You've only given an indication of what you expect, but not a hint of what you're willing to pay. Combine that with the fact, (using the toolbox as an example here), that a full blown, return to pristine condition renovation of that toolbox is going to cost far more than the box cost you, and likely more than what a pristine one would cost.

You have to remember that you aren't just paying for someones time. You're also paying for their knowledge, experience, costs accrued through doing the work, (replacement parts, workshop maintenance and running costs etc.).

No disrespect intended, but the reason your search is so hard is due to how you've come across since your first post in the thread. Call it an inbuilt sense after dealing with customers for years if you will, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who had an instant gut instinct upon reading your initial post, and each one thereafter.

Just to put my opinion in context, btw, I'm on a different continent, so I have absolutely no vested interest in any way or form as to how this all turns out. I'm merely trying to put simple fact across. You need to be clear as to exactly what you want, (that part you've already done), and what your budget is. If you happen to say that you won't mention your budget as you think people will make the work cost the price you mention, that really isn't going to help your cause either.
 
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You don't sleep much either, do you, twertsy? This really shouldn't be a difficult search.

Yeah, I sleep. Just choose not to deal with traffic around here. In before 4 and out at noon..............which gives us plenty of time to restore your stuff.:beer:
 

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So far, from what I can see, twertsy's the only one with an offer (of some kind) out there to help with the work. Everyone else seems to just be saying tooljunkie can't handle the cost of the resto's. The guys offering up paid work and all people can do about it is *****? WTF? Instead of everyone making left field guesses as to what he wants the quality and cost to be maybe someone needs to step up and pm him to discuss the down and dirtys of the job like cost, detail, timeline, and quality.

I didn't see him imply any kind of cheapskatedness or anything of the sort. So why the posts implying that he did?
 

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So far, from what I can see, twertsy's the only one with an offer (of some kind) out there to help with the work.

An offer which has been refused.


Everyone else seems to just be saying tooljunkie can't handle the cost of the resto's. The guys offering up paid work and all people can do about it is *****? WTF? Instead of everyone making left field guesses as to what he wants the quality and cost to be maybe someone needs to step up and pm him to discuss the down and dirtys of the job like cost, detail, timeline, and quality.

I didn't see him imply any kind of cheapskatedness or anything of the sort. So why the posts implying that he did?

Not at all. Merely a few posts mentioning the realities of restoration led to a comment about milking things though. As I mentioned earlier, it would be far easier if he just gave an idea of his budget for each piece, as he's already made his expectations for each piece quite clear. People can then choose whether to respond or not, and it's easy enough for the OP to verify the quality of any responders work by checking their past posts on here.
 

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I'm not in the country so I can't even volunteer to do it. If you can wait a few months I'll bid on the tool box. Mind you this is garage journal. I think most people will agree this is a top notch restoration. Absolutely not necessary and way more then the box is worth, but it is what a lot of people are thinking.

Disassembly - 1 hour x $30/h
remove the handle, piano hinge, and drill out rivets holding latches on.
Research - ~3 hours x $30/h
research locate and purchase period correct rivets to reattach latches. Determine and match original paint color
Strip - 1 hour x $30/h
soda blast,
Body work - 4~5 hour at $40/h
remove all waves, dents, ensure corners are square and secure.
Paint - 5~6 hours at 60$/h materials $200 (you have to buy the entire quart)
Three coats of high build primer, block sand, PPG base, and PPG clear
Polish- 4 hours at 20/h
color sand and polish paint by hand. Buff latches and handle, wax
Wood work - 3 hours at $50, materials $100
build felt line oak trays to ensure puller and accessories are secure and properly stowed and are accessible but not scratching inside of newly painted box.
Reassembly -1 hour at $30/h
Reinstall piano hing, attach handle, re rivet latches
Admin - 1 hour $15/h
Receive customer, fill out contract, bill, issue receipt.

I would be well over a thousand dollars. You might say I'm milking it, but I think I'm probably underestimating hours to make it perfect. Thinks like inside square corners are a pain in the rear to get perfect. It wouldn't take long to paint, but the flash time between coats it is sitting in the booth keeping other paying projects from being there. You pay for the entire time even though a lot of it is just sitting waiting. It would be better then new and ready for 50 or so years of service. Personally, I would take Twertsy up on his offer.
 

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I'll do the box for ya, why not? You pay the shipping (both ways) and materials (primer,paint, rolock discs and new lock if it has one) I'll do the labor for free. Why? This is GJ, we take care of our own. PM if interested.
 
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