Things Snap-On Tool owners say.

[Chris_Hamilton]

I didn't tie meth with cardboard. You did that.

The point I was making was that he didn't give a **** about his work or have any pride in what he was doing. Using cardboard boxes to tote around his tools was indicative of that. Getting high was his only concern.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

The point I was making was that he didn't give a **** about his work or have any pride in what he was doing. Using cardboard boxes to tote around his tools was indicative of that. Getting high was his only concern.

Worked with a guy who stored tools and parts in Fireball whiskey "party packs" which we basically 1.5 gallon tubs full of pre-poured shots.

Guess how good his work was? LOL

 

[Pinemarten]

The video was funny. The exaggeration worked to make it funny. If there wasn't a grain of truth in it, it would have been stupid.

"The poor workman blames his tools".

 

[Chris_Hamilton]

I was just relating my experience as a frame/body/metal guy and painter from over the years. If you are passionate about something and are trying to improve then it would stand to reason that you are going to use higher quality stuff as you evolve as a Craftsman/tradesman.

If you do something else for a living and wrenching on stuff is strictly a hobby then you might not get that. If you view the work strictly as a means of getting a paycheck then you might not get it either. If you view using your tools as a task that needs to get done, then you probably don't get it either. Tools are a means to an end but also a means to improving the end in a metaphorical sense.

If you have the passion then you will get it. If you have a pride in your work and yourself and always are striving to improve then you are going to want to use high quality stuff to achieve that. Not strictly Snap On but they are one manufacturer of high quality stuff. And what was brought up by the OP.

Several of you like to argue, I get that. You seem to always want to point out the exception to the rule (so to speak). Are there exceptions? Probably, but I am not saying 100%, I am saying generally. And it is generally true. I've never seen otherwise. And it holds true for every industry, or endevour. Are there exceptions? Yes. Are they rare? Yes. Could you climb Mount Everest in shoes and clothes you got from Wal-Mart? Maybe. Should you? I would say no. I want the best there is.

That is a metaphor argumentative guys. Don't take it literally.

 

[dchawk81]

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It’s called having pride in one’s work.

Every professional mech in the 25 years I did it that had a large amount of cheap tools was a hack that I have met.

Being mainly industrial most of those pro’s were not using snap on but Proto, wright and sk with snap on ratchets mainly. But the guys three guys that had nothing but harbor freight because that is cheap and good enough we’re hacks. They also had no pride in their work.

There was a few guys when I worked the Ag side that had HF tools on the service truck because of theft issues or losing tools in the mud/field. But they had nicer tools back in the shop in their bay

If cheap tools are fine in the truck why aren't they fine in the shop?

 

[Firebrick43]

There's a pretty big space between Snap-on and junk though and most of it is perfectly capable.

And honestly I store some of my stuff in cardboard boxes. Storage is pretty much the least important part of quality work. It's really not even relevant beyond organization for efficiency.

I work on my semi truck and that's my livelihood. I have a lot of tools but very little Snap-on. Really just a ratchet, some older 6 point combos, and the MG725 and MG1250.

I would say organizations is one of the most import parts of quality work.

Not only do you use the right tool for the right job because you can find it. Unorganized tool storage damages millions of dollars worth of equipment every year and ends up killing people.

If you drop that 10mm socket down an intake manifold and it set there on top of a piston and completely destoys a parent bore engine, that is not quality work. Seen it more than once.

Leave wrench on an aircraft and it falls into the flight controls of an aircraft, that is not quality work! Seen it, luckily Jimmying the controls freed it before they crashed.

Same goes for keeping track of rags. Seen more than one plugging up an intake port or a turbo. Want the doctor to leave a gauze pad in you in surgery? It happens.

 

[dchawk81]

I would say organizations is one of the most import parts of quality work.

Not only do you use the right tool for the right job because you can find it. Unorganized tool storage damages millions of dollars worth of equipment every year and ends up killing people.

If you drop that 10mm socket down an intake manifold and it set there on top of a piston and completely destoys a parent bore engine, that is not quality work. Seen it more than once.

Leave wrench on an aircraft and it falls into the flight controls of an aircraft, that is not quality work! Seen it, luckily Jimmying the controls freed it before they crashed.

Same goes for keeping track of rags. Seen more than one plugging up an intake port or a turbo. Want the doctor to leave a gauze pad in you in surgery? It happens.

Wonder if they use Snap-on gauze. Maybe they use the good gauze in theater but the cheap stuff in the ambulance.

 

[Firebrick43]

If cheap tools are fine in the truck why aren't they fine in the shop?

You could have bought a cheaper truck say a ford F750 with a 260hp ISL.

Why did you buy a Mack?

 

[Firebrick43]

Wonder if they use Snap-on gauze. Maybe they use the good gauze in theater but the cheap stuff in the ambulance.

Cheap stuff is made by Hyundai/Kia

 

[2ndGearRubber]

If cheap tools are fine in the truck why aren't they fine in the shop?

Because they're designed for quick and dirty road fixes where loss and theft are more likely.

If need be, you gotta drag it back. Goal is to try the basics. I typically don't bring a 4 channel lab scope and bidirectional scan tool to a stranded car. I bring a power probe or test lamp and a code reader. And sometimes you gotta drag it back to the 4 channel scope.

 

[dchawk81]

You could have bought a cheaper truck say a ford F750 with a 260hp ISL.

Why did you buy a Mack?

Because they're not even remotely in the same class. What kind of Mack do you think I have? A box truck?

 

[dchawk81]

Because they're designed for quick and dirty road fixes where loss and theft are more likely.

If need be, you gotta drag it back. Goal is to try the basics. I typically don't bring a 4 channel lab scope and bidirectional scan tool to a stranded car. I bring a power probe or test lamp and a code reader. And sometimes you gotta drag it back to the 4 channel scope.

Quick and dirty fixes? What's the name of your company. I want to avoid it.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

Cheap stuff is made by Hyundai/Kia

Gauze now somehow has rod-knock. LOL

 

[2ndGearRubber]

Quick and dirty fixes? What's the name of your company. I want to avoid it.

Yeah, quick and dirty.

It's stranded on the side of the road because the fuse box connections to the fuel pump relay soldered directly to the board have failed.

Run B+ straight to the pump to drive it on the trailer so it can get fixed.

You're not always doing permanent repairs, sometimes you just need to limp it back to home base.

 

[Firebrick43]

Because they're not even remotely in the same class. What kind of Mack do you think I have? A box truck?

Exactly, sort of like snap on isn’t in the same class as HF.

They have made F750 semis with 80K GCVW. I wouldn’t recommend it though. But they’re cheap!

I told them if the bought me a a new F650 to replace my KW T370 I would quit.

 

[dchawk81]

Exactly, sort of like snap on isn’t in the same class as HF.

They have made F750 semis with 80K GCVW. I wouldn’t recommend it though. I told them if the bought me a a new F650 to replace my KW T370 I would quit.

That's not the "class" I'm talking about.

I've never heard of a class 8 F750. I do have a class 8 LTL9000 though.

 

[dchawk81]

There's nothing epically special about my Mack if that's what you're really trying to get at. I bought it because it was inexpensive and it does the same job as anything else in the same category.

 

[dchawk81]

Ran out of edits again. The Mack being inexpensive meant I could pay it off faster and bank cash for the big repairs and/or replacement a lot easier.

We all do the same work for the same rates here being leased on. There are reasons I can't use the old LTL9000 but capability isn't one of them. I used it with a different company doing the same work.

I'm not going to get too deep into the weeds with the situation though.

 

[Chris_Hamilton]

Lot of the OTR truckers I know love a Peterbilt. Won't drive anything else if they have a choice.

 

[dchawk81]

Lot of the OTR truckers I know love a Peterbilt. Won't drive anything else if they have a choice.

I'm not sure what I'd get if I had to go OTR. I usually say Mack because of the familiarity but if push came to shove I'd test drive a bunch and check out their sleeper configurations before committing.

My truck has been pretty good to me for how cheap it was, but I'd be lying if I said it was all roses.

 

[Firebrick43]

Ran out of edits again. The Mack being inexpensive meant I could pay it off faster and bank cash for the big repairs and/or replacement a lot easier.

We all do the same work for the same rates here being leased on. There are reasons I can't use the old LTL9000 but capability isn't one of them. I used it with a different company doing the same work.

I'm not going to get too deep into the weeds with the situation though.

It isn’t capability. They can all legally pull 80k.

It’s engine displacement which affects longevity, it frame size and axle choices. Its even creature comforts such as cab height.

The L series trucks were much taller in the cab to make it easier to get in and out of and so you would hit your head going over a bump and your air ride seat bouncing.

The L series had 10+ liter engines available

The 650/750 just had 6 and 7 liter engines.

The L series had deeper frames and better suspension and transmission choices

 

[dchawk81]

It isn’t capability. They can all legally pull 80k.

It’s engine displacement which affects longevity, it frame size and axle choices. Its even creature comforts such as cab height.

The L series trucks were much taller in the cab to make it easier to get in and out of and so you would hit your head going over a bump and your air ride seat bouncing.

The L series had 10+ liter engines available

The 650/750 just had 6 and 7 liter engines.

The L series had deeper frames and better suspension and transmission choices

I can't find any information on an F750 that would pull 80,000 legally. Maybe my Google skills are lacking.

I did find a 37k GVWR which is close but you need 12+34 on the truck which makes 46k. The other 34 goes on the trailer tandems to get to 80.

 

[Fedwrench]

Wow four pages

Peeps that are Snap on tool users will never be convinced that their precious Snap on tools aren't worth the investment. Just as non Snap on tool users will never be convinced that Snap on tools are worth what they cost. It's been that way forever and won't change in the foreseeable future. Move along nothing to see here

 

[dchawk81]

Wow four pages

Peeps that are Snap on tool users will never be convinced that their precious Snap on tools aren't worth the investment. Just as non Snap on tool users will never be convinced that Snap on tools are worth what they cost. It's been that way forever and won't change in the foreseeable future. Move along nothing to see here

They're worth it if you can afford it but you shouldn't break the bank to get it. They do have a lock on a few tools but they aren't necessary for getting through life. There's a world out there that doesn't even have SO and they do fine. They even have other high end products.

IMHO.

 

[Wrench97]

I can't find any information on an F750 that would pull 80,000 legally. Maybe my Google skills are lacking.

I did find a 37k GVWR which is close but you need 12+34 on the truck which makes 46k. The other 34 goes on the trailer tandems to get to 80.

We pulled 2 pups with C800 Fords...................................

From the Ford web site

The 2024 F-650 and F-750 gas trucks feature a class-exclusive* 7.3L V8 gas engine, with GCWRs of up to 50,000 lbs. ** and GVWRs as high as 37,000 lbs. ** They also feature Driver-Assist Technologies10 such as standard Lane Departure Warning39 available Forward Collision Warning10 and more.

https://www.fordpro.com/en-us/fleet-vehicles/f650-f750/

https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/f650-f750/models/f750-sd-diesel-straight-frame/

Looks like 50k is the top.

 

[dchawk81]

We pulled 2 pups with C800 Fords...................................

From the Ford web site

https://www.fordpro.com/en-us/fleet-vehicles/f650-f750/

https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/f650-f750/models/f750-sd-diesel-straight-frame/

Looks like 50k is the top.

Yeah 50 is a lot less than 80.

 

[Wrench97]

Lot of the OTR truckers I know love a Peterbilt. Won't drive anything else if they have a choice.

The fleet I worked for had mostly Volvos, we bought Petes in 2019 and the drivers hated them it's all about what you are use to.
Before the Petes there were Freightliners, Sterlings, Macks, KW's, Fords and there were always somebody to complain about this being different or that being different.

 

[dchawk81]

The fleet I worked for had mostly Volvos, we bought Petes in 2019 and the drivers hated them it's all about what you are use to.
Before the Petes there were Freightliners, Sterlings, Macks, KW's, Fords and there were always somebody to complain about this being different or that being different.

Drivers always complain.

 

[Wrench97]

Drivers always complain.

Who don't know that

 

[Firebrick43]

I can't find any information on an F750 that would pull 80,000 legally. Maybe my Google skills are lacking.

I did find a 37k GVWR which is close but you need 12+34 on the truck which makes 46k. The other 34 goes on the trailer tandems to get to 80.

Since the Blue Diamond joint venture ended in 2015 they probably haven't. They use to put cummins and cats in them with spicer, fuller, or allison transmissions(big ones). Now they only put the ford diesel/gasser and the ford 10 speed ****** so they wont have the ability to pull the higher gross weight.




I am not sure if to get the second rear axle if the outfitters did it? Or they did it in the factory. The blue diamond truck factory also made the 4000 series internationals and they shared a lot of the frames/axles but not engines or cabs. And you could certainly order an 4400 as a tandems.

The trucks I saw were set up for pulling steel coils and had minimal equipment to get 3 coils where most semis would scale out. They had one drive axle, a dead axle with duals, a 40 gal tank, and even the passenger seat wasn't ordered. They didn't last long but the extra coil per trip made it worth it. Those trucks are wore out now and the company is using T370 KW with aluminum frames and set up similarly.

GM made several pickup cab based light tractors at one time as well.

 

[Wrench97]

The big 3 all made pick up cab tractors at one time, And even larger cab trucks.
Twin screw or tandem axles are factory installed, lift or tag axles can be upfitter installed.
Ford sold the class 8 truck business to Freightliner in the mid 90's it became known as Sterling trucks.
Like wise GM sold their class 8 business to Volvo/White in the mid 80's
Dodge I believe just shut theirs down in the 70's.
Their were restrictions on what size trucks they can make included in the sale contract how long those restriction last I'm not sure.

 

[Pinemarten]

Inside the dash, there isn't a dimes worth of difference between Kenworth and a Peterbilt. All Paccar wiring harnesses, with the added benefit (curse) of unused wiring for different options/applications there. The KW vs Pete rivalry makes me chuckle.

 

[BarrelRoll]

I use my tools to make a living so I can afford to enjoy my days off. The odds of hurting myself on the job are much less likely using a quality tool than a cheaper tool. Yes my high dollar tools still break though they break less often.

I'm the idiot at work with the largest, flashy, most expensive box in the shop. I'm also the mechanic who's sitting in on a meeting with corporate about some equipment failure problems we are having costing the company millions in down time and wear parts. I've been the only mechanic out of 14 who's actually been trying to solve the problem instead of just throwing the same parts at it every 4 days and blaming XY or Z for the cause of the problem. My box isn't what makes me a good mechanic, it's the thing above my shoulders that does. The tools in it do help, they give me an edge over my coworkers who don't have the tools to do the job better and quicker. The specialty stuff gives me troubleshooting tools others don't have and aces in the hole when a job goes sideways. While many people know my work ability and ethic when they see my tool box it hammers it home. I've got 20 years left, it shows my commitment to the trade and many of them have seen me run back to my box for some "magic" to get them up and running. I also like it. When I'm grumpy in the middle of a cluster **** grabbing tools I can easily find because I have the room in a nice smooth drawer makes me happier than the last pile of Knack/ China freight box I had that was so overloaded and clunky.

No my box doesn't make me a better mechanic. I have an ebay special snapon slide hammer that's older than I am. Snapon's slogan at the time was "The choice of better mechanics".

 

[Pinemarten]

"My box isn't what makes me a good mechanic, it's the thing above my shoulders that does."
BarrelRoll nailed it there.

He would be the guy I'd want there, when something broke down in the boonies. Smart makes for good problem solving, even if we were stuck with cheap or insufficient tools.

 

[dchawk81]

Since the Blue Diamond joint venture ended in 2015 they probably haven't. They use to put cummins and cats in them with spicer, fuller, or allison transmissions(big ones). Now they only put the ford diesel/gasser and the ford 10 speed ****** so they wont have the ability to pull the higher gross weight.




I am not sure if to get the second rear axle if the outfitters did it? Or they did it in the factory. The blue diamond truck factory also made the 4000 series internationals and they shared a lot of the frames/axles but not engines or cabs. And you could certainly order an 4400 as a tandems.

The trucks I saw were set up for pulling steel coils and had minimal equipment to get 3 coils where most semis would scale out. They had one drive axle, a dead axle with duals, a 40 gal tank, and even the passenger seat wasn't ordered. They didn't last long but the extra coil per trip made it worth it. Those trucks are wore out now and the company is using T370 KW with aluminum frames and set up similarly.

GM made several pickup cab based light tractors at one time as well.

Interesting. If I had known about that I probably would have sought one out.

I always knew these trucks existed but never knew they got up to 80k GC.

 

[CS454]

I guess there's no middle ground, eh?

People either buy high end storage or they use cardboard because they're on meth.

You're making a false correlation. Being on meth doesn't make one use cardboard boxes for storage nor does using cardboard for storage mean that person is on meth. Nor does it mean cardboard storage makes one unskilled or incompetent.

I worked with a very competent diesel mechanic who worked out of 6 5 gallon pails plus a tote tray. He was more organized than most triple bank owners I've met.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

^ Hopefully the shop supplies a LOT of tools.

My cart would likely fill five, 5 gallon buckets. IDK how well you can organize a bucket.

 

[Wrench97]

^ Hopefully the shop supplies a LOT of tools.

My cart would likely fill five, 5 gallon buckets. IDK how well you can organize a bucket.

I knew a guy years ago worked on trucks out of the trunk of a '66 GTO........................

 

[CS454]

^ Hopefully the shop supplies a LOT of tools.

My cart would likely fill five, 5 gallon buckets. IDK how well you can organize a bucket.

My favourite takeaway trick was the worn out torch striker for a wrench organizer.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

My favourite takeaway trick was the worn out torch striker for a wrench organizer.

How do you organize wrenches with a cigarette lighter?

I think they make dedicated XL metal loops for just that purpose now.