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shoggoth80

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So, I like to BS about tools, pretty much as well as anything else. The difference is that I used to work on motor vehicles (old VWs and Japanese bikes mostly) as a hobby thing. I also learned to repair my own stuff because it was a hell of a lot cheaper than taking it to a shop. I am 34 now. I've been mostly doing stuff since I was 17. I started taking an interest at about 14. Dunno if I ever did a true introduction thread or not. Lol.

I have little formal mechanical training. I went to tech school for 2 quarters, and dropped out in my 3rd (I needed to make money, not go broke in a classroom a second time around). I hold a Bachelor's Degree in business management. I work as a fleet mechanic making more than anyone would pay me as an entry level manager. I like this turn. It makes me do the hobbyist thing less though. Still, the worst day wrenching isn't really that bad.

I see a lot of posts on here with folks newer to the trade. That's funny because I have maybe 3 years as a paid mechanic myself. I read a lot of replies that mean well. I think they really do. "Try and get truck brands" "Avoid HF and Cman and stuff, they're not suited to professional use." etc. In my time, I have used a fair bit of a number of brands. A fastener doesn't give a rip about what name tool is turning it. The only person who cares what tools you use should be you. The only thing that matters is getting the job done, making a buck, and not breaking yourself in the process (figuratively or literally). Though it is always good to solicit the opinions of those who do this stuff for a living. We do seem to have differing opinions. This is expected to some degree.

Am I opposed to truck brands? Absolutely not. Are they the end all be all? Same answer. I still have tools that I got as gifts back when I was 17. They've helped me do all sorts of stuff (clutch rebuilds, trans pulls, alternators, brakes... blah blah)... and those were CHEAP tools in hindsight (they still work). Lol. I've also busted up Cman sockets doing head gaskets, the lug nuts on wheels/tires. I've shattered SK ratcheting wrenches on exhaust bolts. Blew the guts out of a well liked Gearwrench rotohead, warrantied it, and beat the **** out of it on a daily basis. Hell, just tonight I had an IR 3/4" impact gun piss the bed. I thoroughly value my Snappy ratchets, but I also really like my home socket collection, which is largely ok made Asian stuff. I managed to get a decent collection of combo wrenches thanks to a friend (bought used from him. Armstrongs). Also managed to get a set of Matco ratcheting stubbies before I lost my tech-ed discount. Always buy good wrenches. Your knuckles will thank you. Get good ratchets.

I also just blanket guess that anyone posting random questions about tools is doing so from a automotive/diesel service industry standpoint. This may be a personal flaw. Get what you can, with what you have. As someone who carries student loan debt that is not being utilized... don't go into debt for a trade. Buy limited things on credit. Buy as much as you can outright. More over... buy what you can afford and make money with. The rest will come. Get what you can to get up and running and making a living. I've seen a number of really nice Snappy and Matco boxes stocked with Pittsburgh and Gearwrench. Once again, no one cares what tools you used to get the job done but you. I've seen cheap boxes with nice tools. I've also seen nice brand boxes stocked with nice brand tools. These belonged to old techs, not tech school grads. Not lube techs. Old school dirty wrenches who had been at it for the last 30+ years. Also, pay attention to those guys. They know what's up.


Not sure where that was all going. Retrospection has value on occasion I guess. So, hi. What's you guys' stories?
 
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Very well put, sir. Many men your age are more apt to complain than to write a commentary on the value of using what you can afford and what you have.In today's world we are constantly bombarded with advertising telling us we "need" the latest and greatest products. I see far too many young people falling for that line and getting buried deep in debt that never goes away. If more people of your age used your logic, they would be better off financially and much happier in general.

Good luck to you and keep your head on straight. You will go far.

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Well said sir. I can sort if understanding spending a lot for SO tools (and the like) if that's how you make a living, but IMO $15K for a box to keep them in just seems insane. I'm not a tech, so take it for what it's worth.
 

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The best tool in the world is the one closest to you that meets your needs and allows you to complete the job. Regardless of MFG.

Everyone starts off with starter sets and will or will not upgrade depending on their financial disposition.

I find no reason whatsoever to fault anyone on what they have to work with at their house or work.

Hasn't this been beaten to death?
 

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Not sure where that was going either. I used to use the best tools I could afford and they were cheap and now I use the best tools I can find (within reason) and often they aren't cheap. That is my story.
 
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Hindsight is always 20/20 right? If younger me had the relative mindset that current me has, I wouldn't be playing a bunch of financial damage control. Lol. Live and learn.

The counter to "get what you can reasonably afford, and get what works..." I bought my Snappy ratchets off the truck, when I was still working for an independent (which doesn't exist currently in the same form. It's still a shop, new owner, new name etc.). They cost me a pretty penny at the time (I wasn't making much). They are however great ratchets, and while they made me limited money in that capacity (I make a lot more now using issued tools)... would I say I overpaid? No. If you buy a higher end tool that is pleasant to work with, and gets the job done well...I don't think you'd ever hear anyone say they overpaid. That said... I bought a total of 4 things off the truck. my two nice Snappy ratchets, a Matco oil filter socket for the 6.0, and the small Matco OBD2 reader. All have come in handy. The oil filter socket not as much outside the work world, but the rest absolutely. My cars, friends' cars, family cars have all benefited from that little reader. My Snappy rats are my favorites, and get used pretty much anytime I gotta do something at home. Are they overkill for home use? Dollars to dimes says yes. If I took them to work, they'd become company property (because ya know...since tools are issued, no one would ever need to do that, so obviously all tools on site belong to the company)...and I'm just not willing to do that, and I like them too much to sell them. So, truck brands definitely have their merit. Just gotta keep a level head about it. Finding the OEM for a given tool is a great way to still get quality, and save some money. I have The Tool Truck Equivalents thread, and general user knowledge from here to thank for that bit of insight. My post was not meant to be overly snide about tools, brands, and trucks. Lol.

Just sharing thoughts, and if anyone gets anything of use from my words... then the post was worthwhile.
 
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well said for sure..I work with tools at home as a hobby, would I like top end tools? sure! Do I own some? yeah a few..mostly have craftsman stuff(usa made of course), but like you said at the end of the day, that bolt has no idea what brand tools you use.

I also do agree to get a good set of wrenches and ratchets..knuckles will def thank you.
 

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My favorite stuff is EBay Snap On. All the truck brand stuff bought new just pisses me off to think how expensive it was.
Craftsman pro would have been a good stopping point.

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Also keep in mind that not all of us are mechanics.

I, for example, do mostly building maintenance for a church and a school. That means that, generally, I don't need Snap-On quality tools. Cheap tools do 99% of what I need. And cheap tools are great becasue I can have several sets ready to go depending on what I'm doing that day. Keeps me from forgetting tools I'll need and from carry too much with me.

Heck, there's at least one day a week where I can fill 8 hours using nothing but Linesman's pliers and a screwdriver! I can do fine with HF wrenches, but you'd better believe I need quality linesman's pliers!

Tomorrow I'll be wrenching on the property John Deere tractor. I'll be using Snap-On impact sockets and torque wrench for that. But this is a pretty rare occurrence.
 

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I get the whole Snap On thing. They do make nice stuff and if I wrenched for a living and a brightly painted truck filled with every imaginable shape of Snap On showed up every Tuesday where I worked I'd probably fall under the spell and have tens of thousands of dollars worth of it in a ten thousand dollar box. I'm not saying it would make sense but I'll admit Id probably be one of those guys...I like nice stuff.

But I don't wrench for a living...I do it to get away from what I do for a living for a while. It only partially works that way I suppose since at work I primarily do design/development/engineering/manufacturing/program management in the automotive and heavy truck industries. But I rarely get my hands dirty at work any more and I like working with my hands so If something in the fleet needs brakes, maintenance, modifications or repair I'll generally do it myself whether its adding a plow to the ATV, mower repairs, new rotors on the cars or pickup or my latest completely unnecessary motorcycle modification/upgrade...I'm on it. Whatever I decide I save over paying someone to do it toes into my mental cash account and sooner or later gets spent on tools, boxes or other garage equipment.

Given all that, it simply being a hobby, I also enjoy the thrill of the hunt for a good tool deal. Despite what I said above about Snap On, for my situation and moderate use there are all sorts of better options. For a fraction of truck brand cost I have a collection that is 5% Snap on but 95% Proto, Wright, Gearwrench, Wera, Wiha, SK (lots of SK), and USA Craftsman.
 

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You'll get over it eventually and stop caring about most of the stupid that happens here.

Takes a while to start sorting through all the users who are just there to spout BS, and those who actually have useful inputs on what tools suite what purpose.

Most of the people here are just insecure about their tool purchases and are trying to validate why they spent money on that brand and not something else (that goes for HF, CMAN, Snap on, etc fanboys. Applies to them all).
 
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Most of the people here are just insecure about their tool purchases and are trying to validate why they spent money on that brand and not something else (that goes for HF, CMAN, Snap on, etc fanboys. Applies to them all).

Yep.. Nobody want to admit that there could possible have been a better choice than the one in there toolbox, thus I own just about all of them. :thumbup:



I do find it humorous that there is a fairly large part of the membership who repeatedly tries to associate buying high end tools and being fiscally irresponsible. It's never a bad thing to invest in yourself, this absolutely doesn't mean everyone should max out there finances to buy the best of everything "Today", but IMO buying the cheapest "Today" so you can eat out 7 nights a week, smoke 3 packs a day doesn't make you a financial genius either. Everyone's situation is different and it can't be deciphered by the brand of tools in there tool box.
 
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Yeah as a 21 year old guy I would love a toolbox filled with wright and sk, but right now my money's ******* in other things(school), so even most of my projects are on hold right now. Summers I work at a cement plant as a maintenance apprentice so most of my tools there are company provided. But wrenching at home i've never really felt the need for anything better than usa craftsman besides me wanting nice shiny tools. Every job i've come across i've gotten done with readily available decently priced tools. The best part of owning reasonably priced tools is I can justify the cost of a second set which gets me through any work i get into away from the house. Someday when funds allow i may upgrade but right now i'm happy with what i have.
 

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I used to do my hack backyard mechanic work with a mess of hodgepodge tools that often left me in a worse spot than before I started a job. I was younger then.. still am, but over the last several years I've really come to appreciate good tools. My philosophy is that I'll already be pissed off that whatever I'm fixing broke in the first place, so I don't need cheap tools to make it worse. I have some Snap On, Matco, and MAC tools that are probably too nice for me but I bought them all used for well below retail and they make jobs wayyyy more pleasurable. As a hobby that I'm passionate about, I'm more than willing to invest in it. But obviously I don't need truck brand everything, I just like using good tools when I can. It really makes a difference, at least for me.
Fortunately I'm not at risk of going into uncontrollable debt. I buy what I can when I can afford it.
 
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There are cheap tools, and inexpensive tools. They're not always the same. Gearwrench for example makes some good stuff for the money. Armstrong makes good tools at what I feel are pretty fair prices. I've still got some cheap stuff hanging out. Most of it lives in a junkyard tote. Lol.
 

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Wise words which if listened to by people of all ages at all stages of life could save themselves a lot of hassle. I am blown away by the financial state of a lot of the guys I work with. Granted I do not have children am just turned 34, but am astounded by the money we take in at our shop, and even more shocked with how the guys I work with all live basically pay check to pay check.

Be smart people...Don't be afraid to wait until you can pay cash for that shiny new something.
 

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Yeah as a 21 year old guy I would love a toolbox filled with wright and sk, but right now my money's ******* in other things(school), so even most of my projects are on hold right now. Summers I work at a cement plant as a maintenance apprentice so most of my tools there are company provided. But wrenching at home i've never really felt the need for anything better than usa craftsman besides me wanting nice shiny tools. Every job i've come across i've gotten done with readily available decently priced tools. The best part of owning reasonably priced tools is I can justify the cost of a second set which gets me through any work i get into away from the house. Someday when funds allow i may upgrade but right now i'm happy with what i have.

with your last sentence...couldnt have said it better myself.:beer:
 

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My first day at a regular private company shop, after my military time, I walked in with a CM 2 drawer Rally Box filled with a basic assortment of sockets / wrenches I'd had built up since I started driving / working on my own cars. Working for pay on equipment would require much more.
The guy who would sort of be my "working on the outside" (post millitary) mentor said on the subject of tools: "Buy what you can afford, but don't buy junk tools. Junk tools will let you down and can even hurt you if they fail at the worst time." That philosophy has worked well and served my tool needs ever since. This month marks 20 years.
I have had some "economy" tools work just fine. I have also had other ones let me down on the first use.....IMO, it's an experience / learning thing.....figure out what works for you.
 

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I was a service mechanic for a few years. Started with the billion piece craftsman set I got for christmas when I was 15. Brought the old c-man homeowner box I was using too. One day I got to work and the bottom half of the box collapsed! (picture a V in the bottom of the box) Bought a used SO box because he was there. I had a used blue point impact and bought two new sets of wrenches from the trucks. That and screwdrivers were the only things I got off the trucks. I saw some other guys that were paying half their check to the snap-on guy and didn't want any part of that. I had a good "mentor" at that shop though too.
 

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There's even times (very rare, I admit!) when cheap tools are preferable. 3 days ago I was going to buy the 9 piece SAE wrench set on sale for 5 bucks at HF. But WalMart had a 10 piece for 4 bucks!

So I got a 19/32 box end wrench to throw in the weird tools drawer, along with 9 horribly made, utterly worthless wrenches.

But that's exactly what I needed for this job! See, I'm teaching my son to work with unlike fractions. He came home from school on Monday and was mad becasue he didn't understand how to work with fractions when the denominators were different. And he said it was stupid because no one would ever need to know this stuff in the real world.

WRONG! So I pulled out my SAE wrenches and his eyes nearly popped out of his head. "OMG it's just like in the math book!" 5 minutes later he completely understood and aced his quiz on Tuesday.

So today, at lunch, I'm giving the 4 dollar set of wrenches to his teacher so he will always have them to teach and inspire more kids. You think I'd be giving away my Craftsman or Snap-On wrenches to a 6th grade class? Ummm, nope!

Gotta have the right tool for the job! :)
 

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Knowledge is the best tool. Being able to work with others, communicating clearly and being honest. Not many folks seem to have that instilled in them anymore.
 

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I always enjoy these threads. Here's my twist. I am a contractor, but grew up in an Arco/Sunoco station. Didn't go the wrench route 100% even though we had the shop and my dad taught auto repair at the local high school.

Anyways I do additions, remodels, new builds, etc....I use sockets, wrenches, and other cross over tools. I can't bring myself to use any Snap On stuff in my trade. I would rather go buy DeWalt. I have this crazy mindset that mechanics use abc and contractors use xyz....there will be no intermingling of the tools!
 

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An adjustable wrench does just fine loosening or tightening a hex-head capscrew. A box end wrench might be better, but the adjustable does just fine. In certain circumstances pliers work too.

My point? Its all about personal preference built on a balance of the advice of others and personal experience.. and of course what you can afford..
 
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