This Ebay seller

[wafrederick]

This ebay seller is selling a Matco ratchet for a doller and look at the shipping.$29.00 for shipping.How do I report this and here it is:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Matco-BR3-3-8-D...494?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0fa134d6

 

[baubau]

what issue do you have with this and what would you like to report?..it is sellers choice to provide shipping cost..

 

[jerryW]

Over on the right side under the seller info is a print/report link. Just use the repot link.


jerry

 

[bmwpower]

what issue do you have with this and what would you like to report?..it is sellers choice to provide shipping cost..

It's a violation since if it sells for $30 ($29 shipping + $1 item), the seller will only be charged for value fees on $1. This will change soon as eBay is rewriting those rules to INCLUDE shipping costs (which *****).

 

[mrholeshot]

I would just suggest not hitting the buy it now button if you have a problem with the terms.

 

[american lockpicker]

I would just suggest not hitting the buy it now button if you have a problem with the terms.

I agree.

 

[route246]

What is it you are trying to report and how is it affecting you? It is a known common tactic on ebay to inflate shipping and handling cost to avoid the ebay tax. Sellers are allowed to charge for shipping materials and time spent packaging and shipping. Perhaps he is valuing his time at a higher rate than most sellers, it's not clear. Unless the seller is doing something deceptive or illegal, or if you work for ebay or are a shareholder I don't see any reason to flag this as anything outside of the rules.

 

[Skin]

It's a violation since if it sells for $30 ($29 shipping + $1 item), the seller will only be charged for value fees on $1. This will change soon as eBay is rewriting those rules to INCLUDE shipping costs (which *****).

it doesnt only bypass the final value fees. If he sends you a box of rocks or you get one of those lovely paper envelopes with a hole in it the most you'll be liable for a refund is that $1.

So it doesnt just bypass the fees it bypasses the buyer protection as well.

 

[street131]

oh wow, i never thoght of that skin, thts a very good point

 

[route246]

Violation of what? If it is, what determines what is a violation and what is not? The only reason this happens is because sellers perceive the ebay tax as excessive, unrelenting and never-ending in terms in increases. Have you looked at what it costs to sell something for $5 recently? They did it to themselves and are going to be heading back to their roots which is peddling collectibles and rare items only. Selling commodity items is just too expensive and both buyers and sellers feel they are being ripped off.

There are other marketplaces out there that are capitalizing on this and growing very quickly and I don't mean just Amazon.

It's a violation since if it sells for $30 ($29 shipping + $1 item), the seller will only be charged for value fees on $1. This will change soon as eBay is rewriting those rules to INCLUDE shipping costs (which *****).

 

[route246]

I got the whole amount back when I filed a buyer protection claim using paypal, including the shipping charge.

 

[Skin]

I got the whole amount back when I filed a buyer protection claim using paypal, including the shipping charge.

in most instances you eat the initial shipping and pay the return. If you never get the item or make the case of poor packaging causing an item to get lost you'll occasionally get the initial shipping back as well but its not a certainty. All the same it does bypass the buyer protection, thats specifically there to cover the cost of the item, not the shipping [normally].

By the way Amazon is not much better than ebay in terms of fees. I dont understand why Microsoft or Google havent created a competitor.

 

[bmwpower]

I don't understand how you guys can say the buyer doesn't get the initial shipping back - he does. It's part of the Buyer Protection:

http://pages.ebay.com/coverage/index.html

 

[bmwpower]

Violation of what? If it is, what determines what is a violation and what is not? The only reason this happens is because sellers perceive the ebay tax as excessive, unrelenting and never-ending in terms in increases. Have you looked at what it costs to sell something for $5 recently? They did it to themselves and are going to be heading back to their roots which is peddling collectibles and rare items only. Selling commodity items is just too expensive and both buyers and sellers feel they are being ripped off.

There are other marketplaces out there that are capitalizing on this and growing very quickly and I don't mean just Amazon.

It's a violation of the seller's rules. Just because you think the fees are high, doesn't give you the right as a seller to not follow the rules is all I'm saying.

 

[jhelrey]

It's called gas in the truck to get to the shipping place. It's called time to box the item, find the box, tape to tape up the box, insurance, tracking numbers, etc.

I've put shipping at $10.00 to find out someone in FL won it and it was $20.00 to ship it there but would have been only $10.00 to Idaho.

Don't like it, move on.

 

[mikevango]

This ebay seller is selling a Matco ratchet for a doller and look at the shipping.$29.00 for shipping.How do I report this and here it is:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Matco-BR3-3-8-D...494?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0fa134d6

Leave the guy alone. sheesh. if you don't like the pricing don't ******* buy it then.
And eBay final value fees now include the sellers shipping charge. It *****.

 

[Skin]

I don't understand how you guys can say the buyer doesn't get the initial shipping back - he does. It's part of the Buyer Protection:

http://pages.ebay.com/coverage/index.html

news to me, just had a claim complete and they refused to give me the initial shipping.

 

[Wrenches of Death]

oh wow, i never thoght of that skin, thts a very good point

The way that I look at it is that if a seller doesn't have a problem stiffing Ebay, then he probably wouldn't have a problem stiffing me. Or YOU for that matter.

WoD

 

[mikevango]

The way that I look at it is that if a seller doesn't have a problem stiffing Ebay, then he probably wouldn't have a problem stiffing me. Or YOU for that matter.

WoD

Yea! His 100% positive feedback leads me to believe this too.

He's making tool truck tools available to guys that have no other way to get them. Isn't that good? eBay fees are getting bigger and it *****. I sold $900 of snap on tools and have to give eBay $100! Plus the $500 I had to pay to get the tools. And Paypal fees too.
You freaking whiners who think everybody is out to get you, I don't get it.

 

[Swan]

Pick it up in person for a $1.

 

[Skin]

Yea! His 100% positive feedback leads me to believe this too.

He's making tool truck tools available to guys that have no other way to get them. Isn't that good? eBay fees are getting bigger and it *****. I sold $900 of snap on tools and have to give eBay $100! Plus the $500 I had to pay to get the tools. And Paypal fees too.
You freaking whiners who think everybody is out to get you, I don't get it.

Feedback has no relation to how a person will handle a situation. I've had good sellers stiff me, ship items packaged like they were garbage and tell me i'm crazy when i tell them it arrived broken, ship me an item after 6 weeks have passed etc etc... Get burned a few times and you'll not be so brazen.

 

[route246]

I'm not sure how you can make this statement about Amazon. They don't charge listing fees. They charge a hefty commission but ONLY when you sell. You can list for as long as you wish. You can list as many items as you choose. Try that with ebay. I really get worn down on ebay paying all of those fees up front. I can put listings on vacation hold, I can remove them without penalty and every item listed is already cataloged in Amazon's database. There is absolutely no way to compare Benz vs Yugo from a storefront and seller's perspective.

in most instances you eat the initial shipping and pay the return. If you never get the item or make the case of poor packaging causing an item to get lost you'll occasionally get the initial shipping back as well but its not a certainty. All the same it does bypass the buyer protection, thats specifically there to cover the cost of the item, not the shipping [normally].

By the way Amazon is not much better than ebay in terms of fees. I dont understand why Microsoft or Google havent created a competitor.

 

[route246]

In my opinion, this is just so wrong. That's like saying if someone stiffs the government then they will probably stiff me. Ebay is like the government. They charge a very high tax and don't offer much in return. On top of that, they keep raising taxes and give less in return.

The way that I look at it is that if a seller doesn't have a problem stiffing Ebay, then he probably wouldn't have a problem stiffing me. Or YOU for that matter.

WoD

 

[route246]

It's no violation of any rule that I've ever seen on ebay.

It's a violation of the seller's rules. Just because you think the fees are high, doesn't give you the right as a seller to not follow the rules is all I'm saying.

 

[bmwpower]

It's no violation of any rule that I've ever seen on ebay.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-practices.html

"It's against our rules to provide unclear or misleading shipping information or to charge unreasonable fees for shipping and related services."

"Related fees: Things like gas, mileage, time spent at a carrier, employee wages, or eBay and PayPal fees should not be added"

 

[Skin]

I'm not sure how you can make this statement about Amazon. They don't charge listing fees. They charge a hefty commission but ONLY when you sell. You can list for as long as you wish. You can list as many items as you choose. Try that with ebay. I really get worn down on ebay paying all of those fees up front. I can put listings on vacation hold, I can remove them without penalty and every item listed is already cataloged in Amazon's database. There is absolutely no way to compare Benz vs Yugo from a storefront and seller's perspective.

The insertion fee is nothing and you can relist an item again and again without paying it each time. Its the final value fees and paypal fees that eat most of the money. If you actually compare them they're within a few percent of eachother. Also a couple serious faults with Amazon are

1. You need to get approval if you're trying to list an item they dont sell [you're screwed with oddball tools/items in general].

2. For media [books/music/cd's] it works, but trying to get some money for a hard to find item? Ebay is far superior.

It's no violation of any rule that I've ever seen on ebay.

its an old rule and part of the sellers agreement. Its even specifically listed in the report function [under listing violation for excessive shipping], thats how common it is.

 

[route246]

So, I was right. It's a judgement call. $29 could be justified as reasonable. In fact, it would be very difficult to adjudicate reasonable. Reasonable does NOT mean customary which is where the confusion comes in.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-practices.html

"It's against our rules to provide unclear or misleading shipping information or to charge unreasonable fees for shipping and related services."

"Related fees: Things like gas, mileage, time spent at a carrier, employee wages, or eBay and PayPal fees should not be added"

 

[route246]

The insertion fee is not nothing if you are listing a ton of items. It is also very significant if you have a difficult to sell item. Relisting is a pain in the rear.

Amazon is not a marketplace where you should be selling used items, with the exception of books. That's what CL, flea markets and yard sales are for.

The insertion fee is nothing and you can relist an item again and again without paying it each time. Its the final value fees and paypal fees that eat most of the money. If you actually compare them they're within a few percent of eachother. Also a couple serious faults with Amazon are

1. You need to get approval if you're trying to list an item they dont sell [you're screwed with oddball tools/items in general].

2. For media [books/music/cd's] it works, but trying to get some money for a hard to find item? Ebay is far superior.



its an old rule and part of the sellers agreement. Its even specifically listed in the report function [under listing violation for excessive shipping], thats how common it is.

 

[spongerich]

At least he lists it as "$30" in the description.

I've almost been burned a few times when I was about to bid on an item that seemed way too cheap, only to notice just in time that the shipping was grossly inflated.

I have no problem when sellers add a little to the shipping to cover packaging and some labor to get it out, but circumventing eBay fees ***** and is one of the reasons that the fees continue to rise. Why should I as a seller have to subsidize guys like this who don't follow the rules.

 

[route246]

Many people who are sellers on ebay view this as unfair competition. You can sense it from the sentiment and tone of the responses. I've been on both sides. I don't sell anymore because the ebay tax makes it too difficult to made a decent profit. Like I said, their continuous increases in the cost of doing business are making it akin to doing business in California, where I live most of the year.

Disregarding the rules, no where in the auction does it say you have to buy the item...

Just let it go, there are better things to spend your time on other than wasting time reporting things on ebay like that. The seller will see a hit because of the new ebay rule where they take a hit off of shipping as well.

 

[grizzlyToolz]

General Overview of the Policy

Any systems or techniques to avoid or circumvent eBay fees are considered fee circumvention. Fee Circumvention is not allowed on eBay.

Listings that circumvent (avoid) fees can create a poor buying experience and an un-level playing field by putting sellers who pay all their eBay fees at a disadvantage. This makes it harder for all members to sell items. Furthermore, these listings undermine trust in the eBay Marketplace.

Violations of this policy can result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation
Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
Limits on account privileges
Loss of PowerSeller status
Account suspension

that is just a way for eBay to screw both buyer and seller.

 

[Wrenches of Death]

So, I was right. It's a judgement call. $29 could be justified as reasonable. In fact, it would be very difficult to adjudicate reasonable. Reasonable does NOT mean customary which is where the confusion comes in.

Like the the $79.00 in postage on one of his other auctions for a pair of forceps?

No confusion there. At least to me.

WoD

 

[route246]

This is so vague as to be laughable. It does not specify what determines fee circumvention. It just says, "If you do something we may get real mad and take our ball home." Really useful. But, ebay has always been run in a very amateurish way and this is no exception. Amazon, on the other hand is usually very clear in what the rules are and there is no vagueness or interpretation to be done. I've sold on both. The contrast is stark.

General Overview of the Policy

Any systems or techniques to avoid or circumvent eBay fees are considered fee circumvention. Fee Circumvention is not allowed on eBay.

Listings that circumvent (avoid) fees can create a poor buying experience and an un-level playing field by putting sellers who pay all their eBay fees at a disadvantage. This makes it harder for all members to sell items. Furthermore, these listings undermine trust in the eBay Marketplace.

Violations of this policy can result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation
Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
Limits on account privileges
Loss of PowerSeller status
Account suspension

 

[route246]

This is a free country the last time I checked. You have to freedom to not purchase it if you wish not to. I follow the same personal rule with reserve auctions. If there is a reserve price I don't bid and I don't even look.

Like the the $79.00 in postage on one of his other auctions for a pair of forceps?

No confusion there. At least to me.

WoD

 

[boomerangg22]

so why can't he report them if he sees the need to?? after all it is a free country for all is it not???

 

[ibedayank]

Where i work we ship world wide so charging a flat fee does NOT work for us. Ebay now basicly forces you to use paypal so they get double the fees. All im gonna say....

 

[RAYJAY]

General Overview of the Policy

Any systems or techniques to avoid or circumvent eBay fees are considered fee circumvention. Fee Circumvention is not allowed on eBay.

Listings that circumvent (avoid) fees can create a poor buying experience and an un-level playing field by putting sellers who pay all their eBay fees at a disadvantage. This makes it harder for all members to sell items. Furthermore, these listings undermine trust in the eBay Marketplace.

Violations of this policy can result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation
Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
Limits on account privileges
Loss of PowerSeller status
Account suspension

and if you read his full ad this is posted

listed as such to save us both
if you disagree w/anything, please do not buy.
same as $26 + free ship or $21 + $5 ship...however you want to look at it.
sold as-is w/no returns

scamming e-bay to the fullest and.........................he's reported ........

 

[MrMark]

In my opinion, this is just so wrong. That's like saying if someone stiffs the government then they will probably stiff me. Ebay is like the government. They charge a very high tax and don't offer much in return. On top of that, they keep raising taxes and give less in return.

And you don't think that people that stiff the government are more likely to feel entitled and that it is OK to stiff others as well?

 

[demographic]

If you don't want to buy the item...
Err, don't buy it.

 

[treasureseeker]

I emailed the seller he seems like stand up guy and is just trying to make ends meet.