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Kevin54

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Those pliers really remind me of the Companion line at Sears.

I had one of the pliers break in the palm of my hand. I forget what I had ahold of but was putting some pressure on it and "snap" When it did, it was razor sharp and cut the palm pretty good. I took it back to Sears but their reply was "Sorry, but we don't carry a warranty on that, only on Craftsman with the Craftsman name. No warranty on Sears items" WTF??? I am pretty much against Sears anymore. Now Snap-on goes Slant-eyed? What a piss poor, sad, country we live in anymore that we let corporate greed rule. More and more people laid off, so if they don't sell as much, raise the prices, then they make a little money, so let's go overseas, get the stuff made for 1/10 the cost and then still try to sell it to someone that doesn't have a job. But wait. Don't put "Made in China" in big letters anywhere on the package but let's put "Packaged in the US with American Pride" Well now I am in a pissed off mood!!!!
 

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SO will be making more and more of their SO branded products in China before long; just wait and see.
 

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SO will be making more and more of their SO branded products in China before long; just wait and see.

Yep, what I'm wondering is if they're going to try to pull it off with their hardline slowly, or one big gulp. The big gulp will be cheaper, but would definitely hit their reputation harder than moving one or so hardlines out first, that way an uproar would be quieted.
 

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Channellock gets my dollars when it comes to the pliers department. If not them, Knipex and then Craftsman Pro line of pliers.

Sad that Bluepoint is pretty much now the China brand of Snap-On :(
 

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I worked at a Tool manufacturer that supplies many of the "big name" tool company's and you would be surprised at how long this "china syndrome" has been going on. They were selling to Sears, Matco, Snap-On, Danaher, Klein etc. etc and they still had the "Made in the USA" on the tools. When I go tool shopping I always check their products and I have not seen the "USA" on their tools. They had set up a company in China and they were actively setting up to produce more and more tools for them. It was amazing how fast they could copy and produce a tool. We tested many of them and they all had flaws, BUT as always they were willing to compromise the quality for cost.
 

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The pdf also says that they exceed ANSI standards. Big deal, I've broken chinese made tools, without even using them that hard, and they all met or exceeded ANSI standards. Maybe the standards need to be raised? Or some tool manufacturers need to get one these message boards and realize how much we all hate cheap **** that breaks? I've had screwdriver shafts snap in two, and pliers shatter, as I'm sure you guys have. I'm disappointed that Snap-on is moving the blue-point line overseas, it used to be good. And yeah, for those prices, channellock is a much better deal. By far.
 

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wk96,

Just out of curiosity, what tool manufacturing co. did you work for? I'm interested in who manufacturers the various branded tools.
 

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What started as outsourcing, then NAFTA, turned into Global Trading. It should really be known as GCTS (Global **** and Trade System). However it’s nothing short of Corporate Greed! When a well known and trusted American name starts introducing their products or complete lines that are made elsewhere. More often than not with substandard quality than in the past. Then try to disillusion unsuspecting buyers of the country of origin. Case in point the Waterloo combination tool cart and chest that I purchased earlier this year. The website and sales personal clearly state that they were made in USA. They even have an animated American flag proudly displayed next to the pictures of Waterloo’s boxes. Upon arrival the corrugated carton of the top chest was clearly printed made in Mexico! If I knew that in advance, I’d purchased them from Kennedy.

Manufacturing has created many fine jobs with good benefits for many years in the United States. With the shrinking world, these jobs have been slowly dwindling over the past 50 years. A rate that we could endure. But ever since NAFTA and Global Trading the flood gates have been completely torn down. And has eroded our great country’s manufacturing base. Okay that only effected the Midwest and workers like me the worst. And there’s a lot more jobs to be had,, right. Now I see outsourcing of engineers, technical support, store credit departments, and even reading radiology images to India. What jobs are next in line to be axed?

Last week we had a Presidential hopeless come to Ohio trying to con our citizen’s votes. Spouting off that the bills of their “insignificant other” were good for Ohio and all the jobs they created. Witnessed by driving around a once great state. Damn sure must have had their eyes closed. When I drive around industrial parks in Ohio, all I see is for sale or rent signs out front. Buildings with selling prices half of what they were. A dozen years ago nearly every building had a help wanted sign! Now that’s progress for you....

Then spout out buzzwords like, universal health and affordable health care for all. Now that sounds well and good. But who is going to have a job to pay taxes to pay for all these social programs?

I just cannot wait until the United States begins to outsource our politicians! These empty minded lazy idiots are all over paid with far too many benefits and under worked. And could easily be outsourced by some bozo overseas! :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy:
 

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I don't think it's even a matter of outsorcing. If they want to do that, thats fine. If customers buy it, then it's a good move for them, if they don't then it wasn't. What strikes me is that snap on has the audacity to charge 13 dollars for a plier that is sold as second line in hardware stores. You can get a set of 4 of the same pliers for 10 dollars at sears
 

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We would make the exact same tool, add the customers colors, branding or whatever they wanted (Sears, Snap-on, Klein etc etc) and when I checked the price's they were all charging it made me sick. The SAME tool could range as much as twenty dollars difference from one seller to the next.
 

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Try calling the Department of Transportation sometime.Odds are you'll get a call center in India.IRS as well.I just don't know what those jerks expect us to do with no jobs.
 

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Case in point the Waterloo combination tool cart and chest that I purchased earlier this year. The website and sales personal clearly state that they were made in USA. They even have an animated American flag proudly displayed next to the pictures of Waterloo’s boxes. Upon arrival the corrugated carton of the top chest was clearly printed made in Mexico! If I knew that in advance, I’d purchased them from Kennedy.

I wish Kennedy would point that out in a handy dandy lawsuit :spit: :beer:
 

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I wish Kennedy would point that out in a handy dandy lawsuit :spit: :beer:

Unfortunately Kennedy will be forced to follow suite and start manufacturing their product elsewhere.

Gerstner has been making the finest quality wooden machinist’s tool boxes in Dayton Ohio since 1906. And really didn’t have any competition. But these too may become the last of the Mohegan’s. As Gerstner has since started importing a line of wooden boxes (named International Series) that are totally manufactured in China. I cannot believe that they would put their good name on them. They are a piece of **** compared to their USA products line. I’m sure Mr. Gerstner Sr. is turning over in his grave over his company’s new direction.


Knowing that I purchased a matching set of the USA manufactured cherry tool boxes for my garage shop for Christmas… Yes it's all about pride of ownership...:bounce:

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DavidtheDuke

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Unfortunately Kennedy will be forced to follow suite and start manufacturing their product elsewhere.

What'll be interesting is if the dollar keeps and keeps tanking, it will become favorable to produce *in* the US. So right now the last box manufacturers that seem to be staying for awhile longer are.. Matco and SO?
 
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All real snap on pliers are made in the USA.

Anything branded Bluepoint has a 90% chance of being made in Asia.
 

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Mr. Schoendorff,

The big tool companies are hoping us old guys will die off because they know the young 18 year old kids don't care where their tools are made.
 

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Mr. Schoendorff,

The big tool companies are hoping us old guys will die off because they know the young 18 year old kids don't care where their tools are made.

I'm 22 and care.

I'm probably the only one around locally though.
 
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I am sure that all of us on this message board care, regrdless of age. That isn't the issue... its everybody else.
 

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Guys i'm over sixty and I care. I'm not even American & I care, I'm an Australian & I'm fed up with how polititians spruking "Free Trade" have ruined all our manufacturing industries.

I'm fed up with the "it must be cheap" phylosophy.

Mind you neither will I tolerate the rip 'em off because we say we are built in the USA marketing hype. $10,000 for a sheet steel tool box . Get real please.

Unfortunately I believe we have to go back to tariff barriers to protect our manufacturing capabilities BUT we also must keep our manufacturers honest.

Crickey, do we need our polititians to earn their money and come up with someting sensible, I think so.
 

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Yeah, protectionist trade policies will save us! :rolleyes:

The government telling us what we can and can't buy... sounds like a recipe for success to me. :lol_hitti

Everyone is acting like it's illegal to buy american made stuff. If Snap-off wants to shoot themselves in the foot, let them. I'm just going to keep right on buying "Made in USA" when I need stuff that doesn't break.
 

DavidtheDuke

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I'm just going to keep right on buying "Made in USA" when I need stuff that doesn't break.

I just got a new Streamlight penlight design, you can put AAA batteries in it, it's brighter, and only a few more bucks. I dropped it today, and now it doesn't work anymore (tried new batteries). Country of origin? China.
 

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I just got a new Streamlight penlight design, you can put AAA batteries in it, it's brighter, and only a few more bucks. I dropped it today, and now it doesn't work anymore (tried new batteries). Country of origin? China.

So are you saying we shouldn't drop stuff off in china? :lol_hitti
 
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More depressing.... I was in the market for a new musical instrument tuner (these are the tools taht I use everyday) and I wanted something high quality. I had been using a Korg for years, but it was temperamental. I finally tried one of the new Peterson VSAM virtual strobes... $400 retail... made in China. :(

But, they are all made in China nowadays, and this is perhaps the best hand held tuner on the market. What's a guy to do?
 

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I was at Costco today and they had some new flashlight sets with the Snap ON name on them, and i looked on the back, you guessed it, made in China.
 

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Everyone is complaining about the tools that are made in China, however, how many of the people in this thread shop Walmart and buy the cheap things that they import? I remember reading a news article about someone that tried to buy only American made products for one year, and after a couple of months had to give up, because there was so little left that was made in the USA vs. that which comes from other parts of the world. In the 1950's the cheap crappy stuff was coming from Japan. Today, Japanese manufacturers are having products made in China. How many of you are driving foreign manufactured cars? True, all the US brands, Ford, GM, & Chrysler are outsourcing the parts to other countries, but at least they are being assembled here. In the 1970's, our government gave some of the Japanese companies great tax deals to build assembly plants in the US, which they did. Problem is that the only taxes that are paid are by the US workers in that plant. 100% of the profits go back to Japan. Our politicians have been selling out the American public for the past 60 years. It started after the Second World War, when the machinery that was designed for use in the US was redirected to Japan and Europe to help them get back on there feet. Then in a twist of fate, US industry stated to be taxed heavily and wages were soaring as a result of Union negotiations. It didn't take a genius to realize that anything made in another part of the world that could be sold cheaper than a comparable US product would succeed. Everyone likes a bargain, and very few are willing to pay more for a US made product. This isn't just in the tool or automobile industry. It happens in every industry. At one time, almost all flower sold by a florist were grown in the US. Today, very little is grown here, and most of the flowers come from Mexico and South America. We sell the crude oil from Alaska to the Japanese, and we import oil from Venezuela and Saudi Arabia. I still haven't figured that one out. Politician do what serves them and their states best. There is a plan to bring natural gas from Alaska to the lower 48. The senator from Alaska got a bill passed in congress to make sure that the pipeline goes from Alaska to Washington State, and then across the upper part of the US to Michigan to connect up with the natural gas pipeline system. If they were to make the pipe line from Alaska to Michigan across the upper part of Canada, it would cost 50% less! The big winner in this case is Alaska, which will be getting the majority of the jobs.
 

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Everyone likes a bargain, and very few are willing to pay more for a US made product.

I buy all American made products when I can, but with tools though, American made tools are mandatory for me with the only exception being the fine German made tools. There are some KLEIN pliers made in Japan that I have no problem buying. I won't buy a Chinese made tool for nothing in the world though; I wouldn't have one if you gave it too me.

PS. I shop at Wal*Mart, but only for motor oil.
 
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