ToolmanTom
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I despise Wall-Mart and everything they stand for, I do not go in there at all.
This is depressing....
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Merkava_4
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Valvoline Maxlife is what I go there for. The 5 quart bottle is about $12. I'm not sure where the oil originates from, but I don't think it's from China. From what I've learned on BITOG, Brad Penn racing oil is the only American oil that's made from crude oil pumped out of American soil. I hate Wal*Mart too and I figure I'm not their best customer since I only walk in their 3 times a year.
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eschoendorff
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That, and Wal Mart has teh best price on the Mobil 1 5 quarts jugs of oil.....
I despise Wall-Mart and everything they stand for, I do not go in there at all.
I don't like them either, but don't have any choice. They are the only game in town. When they opened 10 or 15 years ago, they undercut every other retailer until they all closed down.
There used to be Sears, KMart, Woolworth's, MW, and scores of mom & pops. All gone.
The downtown area is now a ghost town filled with antique stores for the tourists.
And Mao Mart will soon be breaking ground on a Supercenter. Damn them.
ToolmanTom
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Just wait till they decide it is not feasible to be in your town and close up. it has happened hundreds of times to other small towns.
I despise Wall-Mart and everything they stand for, I do not go in there at all.
Wal-Mart wasn’t always that way…
Before Sam Walton (the founder of Wal-Mart) died in 1992, Wal-Mart had a totally different point of view on what they put in their stores. Sam grew up during the depression and recognized that hard work and thrift were a way of life. But he also acknowledged the value of goods manufactured in America and keeping Americans employed. He encouraged his suppliers to have their products manufactured in the United States. And went as far as purchasing American made products well before considering foreign made articles.
Sam never lost that common touch. However since his death the new management, in their greed, have taken an about face. And go as far as encouraging their suppliers to have their products made overseas. So you cannot blame the founder of Wal-Mart for all the Chinese products they sell today. But you can blame the present management. And unfortunately their practices has forced all retailers and wholesalers to follow suit.
SpiderGearsMan
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you guys have given into the fact that government creates jobs
they are the ones responsable for all the jobs leaving , taxing the **** out of every vent , truck , raw material , electricity , sales tax , corporate tax , workman's comp mandates , health insurance mandates and taxes ,
lets take the government out of the equation
they are the ones responsable for all the jobs leaving , taxing the **** out of every vent , truck , raw material , electricity , sales tax , corporate tax , workman's comp mandates , health insurance mandates and taxes ,
lets take the government out of the equation
Junkman
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Government doesn't create jobs, unless there is some government project, such as road building. What I am saying is that government is responsible for stiffling business by taxing every aspect of business, unlike other governments of the world that only tax individuals income. Don't kill the vehicle that creates the jobs with burdomsome taxation. If this country were to go to a national sales tax for finished goods, without exemption for any reason, including poverty, etc. we could eliminate all other forms of taxation. Government wastes the taxpayers money. A good example is the letters that the IRS is sending out telling you to expect your "rebate" later in the year. This letter is going to cost the American taxpayer 42 Million Dollars to print and send. I am certain that the 42 million could have been put to better use. This is an election year, so Congress wants you to think that they are the good guys and are giving you some of your money back. How much is this "rebate" going to cost just to administer??
rock_climber
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I despise Wall-Mart and everything they stand for, I do not go in there at all.
Thank You
rock_climber
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We make tooling for lots of manufactures. It is sad to see the change in the shipping labels that I have seen in 15 years. Lots of it going to china and India. Our costs go up and what we can get for our product goes down every year. I don't think the people we have elected will be happy untill every last job is in China.
chad s
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I despise Wall-Mart and everything they stand for, I do not go in there at all.
Same here. In fact, I have given all of my friends and co-workers copies of the movie "Walmart: The high cost of low price"
One can only hope. I would dance a jig in their parking lot if that day ever comes.
No so fast; Mao Mart has already run small businesses out of town; so if Mao Mart closes up shop; where are you going to buy all of your cheap junk?
No so fast; Mao Mart has already run small businesses out of town; so if Mao Mart closes up shop; where are you going to buy all of your cheap junk?
I won't have to buy cheap junk in that scenario; I will buy moderately-priced quality products from the local businesses that will fill the vacuum left in Wally's wake.
It's good to dream...If any store can get financing to open where a Walmart has closed, it'll sell the same **** at higher prices than they did. How could it do otherwise, when the manufacturers of the 'moderately-priced quality products' have all long since succumbed to Wallynomics ?
More likely, the town will be left a mass-market retail wasteland and you'll be stuck driving to Sacramento.
colmiller
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Someone earlier in this thread objected to my suggestion that tarrif protection was the best way to save American or Australian jobs and that they wouldnt tolerate government telling them what they could and couldnt buy.
Reading the whole thread most of you appear to think your government has taxed American business out of business.
Why not instead tax the importer of cheaply made goods from countries without labour laws, sub standard working conditions and polution standards that wouldnt be tolerated in yor own back yard. This could be done by imposing an import tarrif or duty on these goods.
It has a two fold effect. Your locally made goods become more competitive and the need to impose increased taxes is reduced because import duties are providing increased government income.
The world worked this way for decades until 'globaisation' became a buzz word. If we dont make our governments think about saving our industries we will regret it deeply when all that can be bought is made in China or India.
Reading the whole thread most of you appear to think your government has taxed American business out of business.
Why not instead tax the importer of cheaply made goods from countries without labour laws, sub standard working conditions and polution standards that wouldnt be tolerated in yor own back yard. This could be done by imposing an import tarrif or duty on these goods.
It has a two fold effect. Your locally made goods become more competitive and the need to impose increased taxes is reduced because import duties are providing increased government income.
The world worked this way for decades until 'globaisation' became a buzz word. If we dont make our governments think about saving our industries we will regret it deeply when all that can be bought is made in China or India.
Though we waited too long,, I see nothing wrong with adding high Tarriffs to imported items to level the playing fields. American manufacturing companies have many more taxes, much higher wages along with high health care insurance coverages and retirement plans including Social Security than either China or India. However our foreign diplomas would soundly object, saying we need to trade with these countries to keep world peace. I afraid all our politicians have turned their backs on American manufacturing companies and blue collar workers.
Amarkel
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I am from Akron, I try to buy Cornwell manufactured stuff when ever I can because I know the people who made it are my neighbors. It would really hurt the local economic climate where I live if they were to go out of business. It really puts a human face on the issue for me.
In the Akron area we still have a lot tool manufactures like Cornwell, Ken Tool and Wright Tool. This shapes my loyalties. Also, Gojo is here.
In the Akron area we still have a lot tool manufactures like Cornwell, Ken Tool and Wright Tool. This shapes my loyalties. Also, Gojo is here.
Merkava_4
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I'm way beyond import tariffs; I'm in favor of launching torpedoes at the Chinese cargo ships.
FullKustom
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More depressing.... I was in the market for a new musical instrument tuner (these are the tools taht I use everyday) and I wanted something high quality. I had been using a Korg for years, but it was temperamental. I finally tried one of the new Peterson VSAM virtual strobes... $400 retail... made in China.
But, they are all made in China nowadays, and this is perhaps the best hand held tuner on the market. What's a guy to do?
My Sabine STX-1100 has 'Made In USA' printed on the back of it. It's a few years old, so I'm not sure of the origin of what is on the shelf right now. I've used it with the built-in music stand clips and built-in mic, and also done shows with it patched to the parallel input of my amp. I think they were going for around $60-$70 retail when I bought mine. I'm not sure of your exact needs but it is chromatic and has the mic and 1/4" in/out, but no bypass, so you would need to run it through a bypass switch. Probably at least worth checking if they are still made in USA. Good luck.
MD11Driver
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As long as we have the Walmarts of the world, we'll have jobs shipped to China and the middle class of this country will be shipped there along with it.
If you care about jobs in this country and about keeping more stuff "Made in the USA" like I do, vote for a politician that agrees with you, and not one that is in the pockets of big business interests.
If you care about jobs in this country and about keeping more stuff "Made in the USA" like I do, vote for a politician that agrees with you, and not one that is in the pockets of big business interests.
MD11Driver
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What started as outsourcing, then NAFTA, turned into Global Trading. It should really be known as GCTS (Global **** and Trade System). However it’s nothing short of Corporate Greed! When a well known and trusted American name starts introducing their products or complete lines that are made elsewhere. More often than not with substandard quality than in the past. Then try to disillusion unsuspecting buyers of the country of origin. Case in point the Waterloo combination tool cart and chest that I purchased earlier this year. The website and sales personal clearly state that they were made in USA. They even have an animated American flag proudly displayed next to the pictures of Waterloo’s boxes. Upon arrival the corrugated carton of the top chest was clearly printed made in Mexico! If I knew that in advance, I’d purchased them from Kennedy.
Manufacturing has created many fine jobs with good benefits for many years in the United States. With the shrinking world, these jobs have been slowly dwindling over the past 50 years. A rate that we could endure. But ever since NAFTA and Global Trading the flood gates have been completely torn down. And has eroded our great country’s manufacturing base. Okay that only effected the Midwest and workers like me the worst. And there’s a lot more jobs to be had,, right. Now I see outsourcing of engineers, technical support, store credit departments, and even reading radiology images to India. What jobs are next in line to be axed?
Last week we had a Presidential hopeless come to Ohio trying to con our citizen’s votes. Spouting off that the bills of their “insignificant other” were good for Ohio and all the jobs they created. Witnessed by driving around a once great state. Damn sure must have had their eyes closed. When I drive around industrial parks in Ohio, all I see is for sale or rent signs out front. Buildings with selling prices half of what they were. A dozen years ago nearly every building had a help wanted sign! Now that’s progress for you....
Then spout out buzzwords like, universal health and affordable health care for all. Now that sounds well and good. But who is going to have a job to pay taxes to pay for all these social programs?
I just cannot wait until the United States begins to outsource our politicians! These empty minded lazy idiots are all over paid with far too many benefits and under worked. And could easily be outsourced by some bozo overseas!
A BIG +1 for this post!
vssjim
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The guy from Akron, Oh. has it right when you buy local you help your own community. That is hard where I live in the Wash. DC area as there is no local but I am aware of country of origin with produts and buy US mast of the time. My biggest complaint comes from companies that keep prices high and outsource at the same time WTF how this works is pure BS. KD was mostly made in Lancaster, PA. which is only a couple hours from here but I don't know if that factory is still in the Danaher mfg. deal or not.
Junkman
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I wonder how many of the people that say buy American are driving foreign made cars. Some of those brands are now assembled in the US, but for the most part, they are assembled from parts from the motherland. It is no wonder that the US auto manufacturers have a hard time competing, since they are straddled with paying union wages, and US taxes. The foreign automobile manufacturers that assemble cars on our soil are for the most part, exempt from most of the tax obligations that the American automobile manufacturers pay. I have been told, however I have no way to know if it is true, that the US distributors of the cars that are imported, work on a very slim margin, and that all the profits are kept in the country of origin, such as Japan, Germany, Korea, etc. They sell the cars to the wholly owned distribution company in the US and that "US company" sells the cars to the dealers at a margin that is barely enough to pay for the domestic expenses of the distributor, avoiding any US income tax for the distribution company. Even the Japanese companies have started to outsource the labor to China, since Chinese labor is less expensive than Japanese labor costs. Cameras are an example of this outsourcing. It is the monitory policy of the Chinese government that perpetuates this cheap labor, since they control all aspects of the Chinese economy with an iron fist..
Yep.........My channelock are on favorites!!
MD11Driver
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Just to make my point completely clear, I don't say "Buy American".. I say buy from 1st world countries.. I own two German cars (BMW, and MB), and most of why I own that is of any significant value (barring some home electronics) is made either in Japan, the US or EU.... those are all places where people with skills generally earn a living wage, or even a good wage.
More important than buying American, is buying from companies and countries with responsible labor standards.
With all that said, if the product I'm looking for is best made in the USA, that is my choice above all others... I.E. .. my guitars are US Made, as are most of my hand tools.. but my cars are German, cause until Detroit begins to approach Munich in terms of automotive engineering and quality (materials, construction, etc.).. I'll not waste my money on their product.
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look at my thread about Hazet tools, I said my piece there about SO BS,I told my SO guy to pound sand last week. It's not that asian tools are all that bad for alot of things, but we already have a Harbor Freight, not what I want from Snap-on or any other "professional" tool manufacturer