That’s a very good price for a Milwaukee socket set. I want to know how much for shipping? Where I live that price is a dream.
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Farm implements are SAE. The majority of domestically produced lawn and garden equipment is SAE. US manufactured firearms and accessories are almost exclusively SAE. A lot of aftermarket auto accessories are dimensionally SAE. One of the largest manufacturers of oilfield equipment designs and builds their entire line in inch based measurements with SAE fasteners and hardware.
This only mentions the new stuff out there. There are a lot of folks still working on really old stuff, and that doesn’t simply stop being relevant because industry moves away from that standard. Hardware stores sell SAE hardware 10 to 1 over metric. SAE taps and dies and inch based drill bits easily outsell metric equivalents.
SAE isn’t going anywhere any time soon.
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After tax it shows $91.26 delivered. By contrast it is $106 at Home Depot, Ace hardware shows it for $80 + tax with free shipping to store.
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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Overthinking a new socket set. 
That’s not a bad price for a Milwaukee socket set.
Tynee
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Let me know how it works out. I’ve been looking fir a good excuse to buy a couole more of those.
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Oops, replied before I saw this post.
That looks handy if you need to take stuff with you. I bet you could fit a 1/4 drive ratchet and some sockets in there, and reduce the space they have to float around.
BobsYourUncle69
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The Tekton sets really seem like great value for money, that 1/2 6pt socket set 10-38mm is damn good value @$100 and they seem to have a very good lifetime warranty.
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Good grief there are a lot of very passionate replies in this thread. I started with a set like yours and added random things over the years until I finally bit the bullet and purchased a USA Craftsman master set with 6 and 12pt, screw drivers, nut drivers and way more things than I can remember. Beyond that I’ve added a few fine tooth ratchets and larger stuff as needed.
Don’t over think this. If I were to do it today I’d look at Tekton and Sunex for everything 1/2” and under. I have Stark impact sockets in 3/4” drive that have seem some serious abuse and look great. I just purchased a 1” Stark impact set and am pumped to put them to work. Meanwhile the Craftsman
Set is still here and rocking it to the shop radio.
Eh not everything is SAE. We have many things with wheels with 33mm lug bolts and other misc metric stuff scattered around. Gotta have big SAE and big Metric stuff in the farm shop. I just added a 1” SAE impact set that goes up to 3-1/8” and ordered a few random Metric sockets for specific things. I have a full 3/4” drive metric impact set up to 45mm for the oddball stuff that’s quite tight.
Agreed on the SAE sticking around but it’s getting muddier every year.
Don’t over think this. If I were to do it today I’d look at Tekton and Sunex for everything 1/2” and under. I have Stark impact sockets in 3/4” drive that have seem some serious abuse and look great. I just purchased a 1” Stark impact set and am pumped to put them to work. Meanwhile the Craftsman
Set is still here and rocking it to the shop radio.
Eh not everything is SAE. We have many things with wheels with 33mm lug bolts and other misc metric stuff scattered around. Gotta have big SAE and big Metric stuff in the farm shop. I just added a 1” SAE impact set that goes up to 3-1/8” and ordered a few random Metric sockets for specific things. I have a full 3/4” drive metric impact set up to 45mm for the oddball stuff that’s quite tight.
Agreed on the SAE sticking around but it’s getting muddier every year.
Williams is the right answer I think.
I bought a rubber bellows way cover for my mill on eBay. Like to get another and now shipping is $150 where it was free a few months ago. Assume it’s a tariff.
Anyone seeing tariffs on tools? How might a tariff change the recommendations? Anyone panic buying any items?
I remember during Covid, my favorite HF nitrile gloves were either unavailable or really expensive and I wished I had an extra box.
Above makes Williams an even easier answer.
I bought a rubber bellows way cover for my mill on eBay. Like to get another and now shipping is $150 where it was free a few months ago. Assume it’s a tariff.
Anyone seeing tariffs on tools? How might a tariff change the recommendations? Anyone panic buying any items?
I remember during Covid, my favorite HF nitrile gloves were either unavailable or really expensive and I wished I had an extra box.
Above makes Williams an even easier answer.
I haven't done alot of questioning locally but the few I have asked said things are in limbo till everything settles down.
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Ah, good to see the DeWalt case in action for this purpose...
Am I missing something, or is there a whole bunch of rattling and socket-mixing going on, especially in the bigger subdivision of this case?
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I actually went the opposite direction.
I had nothing but chrome for ages. Since acquiring some good impact sockets, I always reach for the impacts first. Preference is hard to account for.
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Adam Savage loves this set, or a similar one, here:
Goes to show that plastic cases CAN be well-designed! I agree that the design of this set looks stellar.
I'm just not a fan of "American" companies like Milwaukee that have turned into 100% importers. I only have one M tool in my shop, and it's one of the last US-made Sawzalls.
I'm also not a fan of "Japanese" companies like Makita that do the same thing. Festool has started doing it too, and it leaves a bad taste, ESPECIALLY when there's no price drop to go along with it. Festool prices for something made in Vietnam? Really?
I actually don't mind buying Chinese-made stuff, but it better have Chinese writing on the box, not the name of a Proud American City. The few Chinese things that I've bought recently have been shipped to me directly from China, in a weirdly over-taped box with a customs form glued to it.
Like, if I can get a "Fluke" thermal camera for $2000, or a Chinese brand for $400 with the better features that's made in the same Chinese factory with almost identical tooling, I'd rather go direct.
I feel like Fluke is trying to fool me, especially when it comes to price.
All these American companies bury the COO label deep in the fine print.
To unpack the price thing a bit more.... WHAT AM I PAYING FOR? Expensive materials? Okay, sure. The guy who polished this gets paid $30/hour? Okay, I get that. But when the guy is getting paid $2/hour, and the out-of-the-factory price is $8, I'm wondering where the other $92 is going for the $100 item. Transit and middle men is the answer.
Like, take a look at this stepladder factory:
I've been inside the Bauer Ladder factory in Wooster, Ohio, and... it was nothing like this. The workers weren't barefoot, for starters. It was clean and well-lit. I'm pretty sure that I'm paying for *that* when the Bauer ladder is more expensive.
So buying something from Wright or Ko-Ken is an FU to these bait-and-switch, high-priced tricksters. At least that's one facet of it, for me.
It's become a fun game: can I find something NOT made in China? Can I fill my workshop shop with non-Chinese stuff? Can I clothe my person in non-Chinese stuff? American Giant does make a really nice hoodie! I just got some shoes for Salsa dancing with my wife, and they were made in Brazil. ProTec and Benchmade knives. Lamy and Uniball pens.... there's some amazing stuff out there!
On the other hand, if you want the best drone in the world.... at least DJI is a Chinese company... Da-Jiang Innovations.
If there was a ratchet with Da-Jiang stamped on it, I might consider it...
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Hohn
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I have an 11 amp Super Sawzall from 2001 and a matching 8 Amp magnum 1/2" drill. Both MI USA early 2000s and both some of my favorite corded tools. Why did they have to get rid of the quick-lok cord?
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I got a Proto set for less than $50 a few weeks ago. If you do your searching it's pretty easy to find. I'm in the same boat, I'd rather buy American if it's all the same. I am also in a unique spot where I don't Need much of anything for my tools now, it's a want. I just can't say that out loud still. And damned sure can't say it around my wife.
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A lot of farm equipment all metric now but commercial trucks and trailers are still mostly SAE
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I know I'm late to this discussion so forgive me if I'm asking a repeat question. Why replace vs getting tools that complement what you already have. A while back I wanted to upgrade my old Cman raised panel ratchet. At first I got a Husky similar to the old in the original post. It's not a bad ratchet and in general was an upgrade. However, I then started looking around here... 
What I realized is there are other ratchets that would help a while lot more than just a nicer version of what I already have. I got a Stanley extendable, locking flex head. It's a great ratchet when I need more leverage. I don't take advantage of the flex part much. When I need a flex head I typically grab my rotohead ratchet. If all you have is fixed head ratchets, a roto or flex head can be a game changer in some places.
In the end I actually use my old Cman ratchet perhaps more than the Husky replacement because it's a bit shorter. The shorter part was an issue when it was my only ratchet. However, with my current selection the Husky doesn't provide any unique advantage over my other options. If I need the extra lever arm I'll use the extendable. If I need to with around obstacles I'll use the roto. If I just want to spin a bolt off I'll use the Cman because it's shorter and lighter.
So consider getting different types of ratchets (and/or sockets) that provide an ability the current stuff can't do.
What I realized is there are other ratchets that would help a while lot more than just a nicer version of what I already have. I got a Stanley extendable, locking flex head. It's a great ratchet when I need more leverage. I don't take advantage of the flex part much. When I need a flex head I typically grab my rotohead ratchet. If all you have is fixed head ratchets, a roto or flex head can be a game changer in some places.
In the end I actually use my old Cman ratchet perhaps more than the Husky replacement because it's a bit shorter. The shorter part was an issue when it was my only ratchet. However, with my current selection the Husky doesn't provide any unique advantage over my other options. If I need the extra lever arm I'll use the extendable. If I need to with around obstacles I'll use the roto. If I just want to spin a bolt off I'll use the Cman because it's shorter and lighter.
So consider getting different types of ratchets (and/or sockets) that provide an ability the current stuff can't do.
why do people refuse to believe there are places that sae exists and anyone using it is old, out of date and going out of business?
example. i have a salford liberty bbi fertilizer spreader that is 2 years old. my neighbor just bought a new one. it is very well made and works very well and yes modern design. both are 100% sae or if they are not i have not run across something that isn't. shafts, bearing, pillow blocks, tires, hydraulic fittings, hydraulic cylinders, roll tarp. etc.
i fully understand metric is prevalent. most of my tractors are. but...... it is just plain ridiculous to assume that unless it is metric it is old fashioned, out of date, poorly designed and the mfg will be lights out short order.
my point being. just because you claim to have a better made in germany metric boiler we should just accept your word as gospel yet one someone has new new equipment that uses sae it is somehow subpar. i would bet your meric boiler uses sae pipe thread and the actual plumbing and is dimensionally sae. using your logic your plumbing would be sub par.
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In fairness, Milwaukee are not an American company, they’re a Chinese one. Have been for about 20 years. Sadly, if someone sells the family silver, they can’t complain about what the new owner does with it.
Makita are very different. Makita make tools in different grades, for different purposes. I have probably ten different Makita power tools, and I think only two (one being an inexpensive palm sander) were made in China.
The remainder are made in Romania, Germany, the U.K. and Japan.
Of my angle grinders, the cheapest is made in Romania, the best in Japan. You get what you pay for, although even the Romanian grinders are decent.
I’ve noticed similar comments from other members before though, and I wonder if Makita sell predominantly their lower end tools in the U.S? Or whether folks are buying them from stores that only stock the lower end tools?
I’m with you there.
Festool is different to Makita etc.
With Makita, you only pay Makita Money. That will be ”Made in Japan” money for a Japanese tool, or ”Made in China” money for a Chinese tool.
Festool is “ Made in Germany” money (possibly plus a bit). If I’m paying that, and the tool isn’t made there, it’s going straight back.
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Ok since you were not satisfied with the first iteration, my OCD kicked in further this morning. Sockets are now 5/16" thru 13/16", 9mm thru 21mm on rails, 3" and 6" extensions, a universal, 3/8" Williams ratchet, 3/8" sliding tee bar, all with a piece of drawer liner on the bottom to minimize shifting. After 3 pages of drivel, mine included ,I believe you are suffering from paralysis by analysis. I don't know what else this forum could offer you other than the 3 pages of offerings. Something like this Snap On service set ,while great only gets you SAE or Metric. Maybe someone could chime in if they have a new offering with both runs of sockets. https://www.ebay.com/itm/3358390042...TkXj2oIUreYXxerDerlogJ4cb8vwzU54aAhdHEALw_wcB
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Genius 1/2 inch drive impact swivel sockets, semi-deep
Lowes has a Komelon tape with metric. It’s a nice tape measure, sometimes working in metric is simpler than fractions.
Milwaukee isn’t an American company. It’s owned by TTI out of Hong Kong, China.
They do offer some USA made hand tools oddly enough.
Not sure if this will help or not:
Several times I've posted pictures of my mobile tool sets I made up when I lived in the UK. I used random clear topped plastic storage cases and lined them with foam yoga mats, cut-out for the tools I wanted to carry. It was my belief and experience that when I needed a socket to fix something, I also needed a couple ratchets, extensions, but also bit sockets, a screwdriver, flashlight, small prybar or plastic prybars, and maybe a pair of pliers.
If I were to do it all over again, and I might: I'd start with something like a thin Milwaukee pack out or other interlocking tool box.
The nice things about a DIY set are:
PS- important to add: my garage is where I will soon be back to fixing cars. My automotive boxes are 99% metric, which is why I kinda need SAE tools for vehicle repair for the first time in decades. I own SAE tools, but they are in my machine shop, which isn't convenient to either the garage or the bobcat. So if anyone is questioning WHY one might need a mobile tool kit IN ADDITION TO full toolboxes, this explanation may help.
Several times I've posted pictures of my mobile tool sets I made up when I lived in the UK. I used random clear topped plastic storage cases and lined them with foam yoga mats, cut-out for the tools I wanted to carry. It was my belief and experience that when I needed a socket to fix something, I also needed a couple ratchets, extensions, but also bit sockets, a screwdriver, flashlight, small prybar or plastic prybars, and maybe a pair of pliers.
If I were to do it all over again, and I might: I'd start with something like a thin Milwaukee pack out or other interlocking tool box.
The nice things about a DIY set are:
- ability to choose tools independent of their packaging
- The "small parts" style boxes with foam can have WAY more tool density than the roto molded cases that come with Taiwan sets
- You can include more than just sockets and the one ratchet you get with the set
- The cases I built had open bins for stuff. Not everything was in a shadow style situation. That was fast and easy to use.
- Stuff like sockets were WAY more usable, easier to access and put back. I also arranged tools based on typical usage not size. For example: I had 2 rows of 3/8" sockets with 8, 10, 13, 17, 19, 21 on the top and 9, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 18 on the bottom. At the time I had no Asian vehicles and VAG cars didn't yet use ISO sizes (16/18mm etc).
PS- important to add: my garage is where I will soon be back to fixing cars. My automotive boxes are 99% metric, which is why I kinda need SAE tools for vehicle repair for the first time in decades. I own SAE tools, but they are in my machine shop, which isn't convenient to either the garage or the bobcat. So if anyone is questioning WHY one might need a mobile tool kit IN ADDITION TO full toolboxes, this explanation may help.
A lot of US kitchen cabinet builders (pros and amateurs) have switched to metric. All the hardware is metric and some of the power tools are metric (like Festool stuff). I have kitchen cabinets to build but don't have any of that stuff and I think in fractions of an inch so I will probably stay imperial (if that's the right word).
I think US carpenters will stay in inches for the foreseeable future, but some other sorts of tradesmen may go metric.
BTW, can you buy a metric tape measure in Home Depot with US Dollars or do you need to pay with Euros?
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That's awesome.
interesting comment. bobcats main usa skid steer mfg plant is about 40 minutes from me and a satellite location is about 15 minutes from me. my buddy in sales call on both. i don't own one so will not say one way or another what hardware they use. i assume they are mostly if not all metric. i know many 3rd party attachments are sae.
i just had a mobile air conditioning mechanic here to replace a cracked fitting on a caterpillar 55 tractor. it is about 99% metric. the guy works on anything and everything. guess what? sae ac fittings. i looked in his tool bag and van. hardly any metric in it. just saying.
So far everything on the body, all the body hardware and the big joints are all SAE. Assume the hydraulic fittings are all SAE. But pretty sure the engine is 100% metric, but I don't know that for sure.
Similar on my Exmark lawn mower. My Kohler engine has a mixture of SAE and metric. Every other part on my mower is SAE.
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Whoa, didn't know that. Even more reason not to buy Milwaukee stuff. See, even I'm being tricked, and I care about such matters.
Yeah, all the Japan-made Makita stuff that I have... I had to seek it out, order online, etc. USA Big-Box-Store Makita is all made in China, from what I've seen. There is one specialty store locally that carries the better Japan-made stuff.
Ah, SnapOn still makes this set!
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And it comes with the Dual-80 ratchet now.
However, it no longer comes with the metal box, just the tray. Could be a nice wood-working project. Customer service wouldn't measure the damn tray for me, but they did tell me this: Shipping dimension for item 218AFSP is 20"x6"x2"
I wonder if the tray would fit in here:
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Ridgid case is compact with more efficient use of space than a Milwaukee Packout
Rails add the flexibility to only haul what you need up to an Equipment Room
Wright ratchets and rails
Proto sockets and extensions
Imperial to 1"
Metric to 19mm
Ridgid case is compact with more efficient use of space than a Milwaukee Packout
Rails add the flexibility to only haul what you need up to an Equipment Room
Wright ratchets and rails
Proto sockets and extensions
Imperial to 1"
Metric to 19mm
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Chris from Ko-Ken USA customer service has been very helpful, answering all of my questions. Snap-On was not very helpful, which I found surprising, because I thought that was their whole model (don't they drive a truck right to your auto shop and provide in-person customer service).
Turns out the Ko-Ken USA warehouse is down in Westford, MA, which is only an hour from my house.
I went a-pawn-shopping today, but couldn't get my hands on either a Matco or a Snap-on modern ratchet.
Anyway, my current plan is to get the 1/4" drive Ko-Ken set to start with, because that's all 6pt, and I currently have no usable 1/4" drive ratchet or sockets at all. That will let me see Ko-Ken quality first-hand, and see what all the fuss is about (best in-class backdrag on their 1/4" ratchet, supposedly, but only 20 teeth....)
If Ko-Ken puts me over the moon, then I can piece together 6pt sockets to replace the 12pts in the Ko-Ken 3/8" set, and put the 12pts on rails in case I ever need them for something.
Turns out the Ko-Ken USA warehouse is down in Westford, MA, which is only an hour from my house.
I went a-pawn-shopping today, but couldn't get my hands on either a Matco or a Snap-on modern ratchet.
Anyway, my current plan is to get the 1/4" drive Ko-Ken set to start with, because that's all 6pt, and I currently have no usable 1/4" drive ratchet or sockets at all. That will let me see Ko-Ken quality first-hand, and see what all the fuss is about (best in-class backdrag on their 1/4" ratchet, supposedly, but only 20 teeth....)
If Ko-Ken puts me over the moon, then I can piece together 6pt sockets to replace the 12pts in the Ko-Ken 3/8" set, and put the 12pts on rails in case I ever need them for something.
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OK I really should be cooking dinner right now as I am starving, but the service set reminded me I just picked up one of those metal boxes at an estate sale. I wonder how much Snap On I could find to fill it??? Of course different eras, fonts, date codes, but I came pretty close. with a bit of improper arrangements I can get a flex head in the box.
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This set is almost half price if you are going to start swapping 12 point for 6 point
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It's not the way I would go personally, I'm in the build your own storage case and piece together your perfect socket set (from Ko-ken) camp.
This thread might help give you some ideas on how to build and organize a great socket/tool set
Post in thread 'Portable Combination Wrench Storage & Organization?' https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...nch-storage-organization.533086/post-10692825
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Definitely following this thread. Been helping a family friend and neighbor a lot lately on old cars, and most of my mobile boxes were geared around small engine, hobby, and household stuff. Thus, the space is poorly utilized and I often lack tools I shoulda brought with me in the first place. Plans are, at present, to equip a Popular Mechanics (Stack-On for Walmart) 20-inch box for the job.
I've recently picked up a Craftsman Versastack box like this, since I have a few random pieces from it already. The only problem is that the stock dividers are terrible for efficiently organizing tools. If foamed, I think my Gearwrench set (in addition to a metric one) and many other needed but didn't bring mechanic's tools should fit without hassle.
Any advice on foaming out the drawers? I picked up several foam kneeling pads at Tractor Supply on sale, and they should be the right thickness.
I've recently picked up a Craftsman Versastack box like this, since I have a few random pieces from it already. The only problem is that the stock dividers are terrible for efficiently organizing tools. If foamed, I think my Gearwrench set (in addition to a metric one) and many other needed but didn't bring mechanic's tools should fit without hassle.
Any advice on foaming out the drawers? I picked up several foam kneeling pads at Tractor Supply on sale, and they should be the right thickness.
I can confirm that on residential A/C as well. Last time I looked at new A/C condensing units they were crammed full of foreign parts but the nuts, screws, and fittings were all SAE. I kept a small selection of metric wrenches and sockets for odd jobs but most of my specialty stuff was SAE.
Guess it depends on the trade.
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I don’t think you can go far wrong with this strategy.
The KoKen is a notch up on what you have, but hopefully without going too mad pricewise.
You won’t fault the sockets, and if you really don’t like the ratchet, you can always replace it with something you do like, and you’ll still be $$$’s ahead. Personally, I think you will find the ratchet just fine.
One tip - the two KoKen 1/4“ drive standard length ratchets feel very different, even though they have the same mechanism. It’s worth trying both.
Personally, I think the knurled handle 2753N feels nicer.
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Yes, good news! Because that's the one that comes in the 1/4" set. Looking at the Ko-Ken catalog, I just noticed that the knurling is intermittent, not wrap-around. That's a nice touch!
Also, I'm NOT trying to save money here. When I'm buying something that I will use for the rest of my life, price isn't really an issue.
I'm just trying to find something that checks my personal boxes. Opinions here obviously differ, but for me, personally, having something that goes together is important. I don't know why.... it's just a sensibility that I have. Same with having it in a case that's designed to contain it. I just want it to be that way... I can look in there, and see that nothing's missing, and... just get a cozy feeling. Same with the idea of passing it on to grandchildren. They will open a special red box and see the set all there, together. Everything in its right place. Cue choirs of angels. Thanks grandpa!
It's just a very different feel than having a Dewalt box with a SnapOn ratchet and some Wright sockets rattling around in there.
Snap-On comes close to checking this box, but it's SAE only, and there's no box for the tray. Matco's got nothing as a set, that I can find.
The only other real contender here is the SK91848 set. If the 1/4" Ko-Ken set really lets me down in terms of quality, I will consider the SK set.
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Dave,I don’t think you can go far wrong with this strategy.
The KoKen is a notch up on what you have, but hopefully without going too mad pricewise.
You won’t fault the sockets, and if you really don’t like the ratchet, you can always replace it with something you do like, and you’ll still be $$$’s ahead. Personally, I think you will find the ratchet just fine.
One tip - the two KoKen 1/4“ drive standard length ratchets feel very different, even though they have the same mechanism. It’s worth trying both.
Personally, I think the knurled handle 2753N feels nicer.
Asking because I've not seen /used a KoKen ratchet. Would they be any different that the Proto 4749? I can find the Proto pearhead ratchets around here for $5-10
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There are a lot of nice touches with KoKen.
I’ve got tools from a lot of manufacturers, and everything I’ve got I like, but some leave me with a more positive feeling than others.
The KoKen tends to grow on you. It looks good from the start, and for the price paid there‘s never any “buyers remorse”, but as you use it you realise how good it is.
KoKen is much higher quality than SK - I’ve got some of each,