Thoughts on mounting gooseneck barn lights

[checkthisout]

So I'm going to bend up the rest of the goosenecks and wire these up today.

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For a couple of them I'm going to rethread the ends and screw them into surface mount boxes. 2 will be mounted where I can't get behind the wall so that's the only option.

My question what should I do for the others? I want to drill a hole in the exterior wall and somehow fasten the conduit inside the building I'm unsure how to do it cheaply and simply. I could weld brackets which could then span between the studs but I don't really want to weld. The other option is simply conduit clamps pinching the pipe to a stud or blocking between the stud.

Any suggestions, ideas or pictures?

 

[Mr onetwo]

Take a pc of 1/4 x 4 flat bar to span the studs and thread a 1/2" IPS hole in the right spot.Then mount a box over the penetration to make your wire connections.

 

[Gidge]

I don't know much about electric codes, but could you find flanges the same size as the threaded pipe and mount them that way ? Would give the area that cool "industrial" look.

 

[checkthisout]

I don't know much about electric codes, but could you find flanges the same size as the threaded pipe and mount them that way ? Would give the area that cool "industrial" look.

Maybe. You mean like a flange that bolts to the outside of the structure and lets the pipe pass through to the inside of the building?

I want to avoid anything that needs to sit flat on the outside of the structure due to the time and mess involved in having to cut out the siding to mount a block.

I just want to drill a hole and pass them into the structure.

 

[Speedy Petey]

I don't know much about electric codes, but could you find flanges the same size as the threaded pipe and mount them that way ? Would give the area that cool "industrial" look.

Definitely NOT to code. The fixture needs to mount to a box.

 

[Speedy Petey]

I just want to drill a hole and pass them into the structure.

You can do this if the gooseneck goes directly into a box. You can enter the back of a box and then put a blank cover on the front.

 

[checkthisout]

You can do this if the gooseneck goes directly into a box. You can enter the back of a box and then put a blank cover on the front.

Yeah but how to secure the pipe to the structure?

 

[checkthisout]

Bent up 5 this morning and temporarily installed 3. They aren't wired but I wanted to get the holes drilled and see how they looked. I realized my conduit bender has a bent tab so It was making it difficult to get the proper arc but I think they look ok.

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I bent this one past 90° so it won't shine in my eyes when I'm backing up trailers or pulling into the drive.

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Take some better pics later. I started uploading from smart phone and realized the pic gets turned on the forum if you have the camera in the vertical position. Rotating the pic on your phone before uploading makes no difference.

 

[captain14]

Did you make those lamp assemblies yourself or on line someplace?

I would be interested in a build thread if you tool photos.

 

[checkthisout]

Did you make those lamp assemblies yourself or on line someplace?

I would be interested in a build thread if you tool photos.

No, they are 1950's-60's vintage Ivanhoe lamp shades. I got 10 of them off EBAY like this:

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You remove this mount:

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And install this fitting or something similar:

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And then bend up your goosenecks or whatever shape you like out of rigid pipe. You could use EMT but the fitting at the lamp would have to have to have the two set screws in order to attach.

I haven't wired them up yet. I'll probably just strip some wires out of some Romex to do so. I don't really want to pay $25.00 bucks or whatever per 100' for 3 rolls of THHN.

 

[checkthisout]

Some better pics.

I put one on the chicken coop:

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This is better pic of the one above small garage door. I am in debate as whether I should put them above the other 2 remaining garage doors or place them on the end and in between at the same height as this one. Suggestions?

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More clear pics of the two above the doors. There is 1 more around the back above a man door which isn't shown.

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[toplessHO]

you can get a mount called a floor flange,which is mallable and has 4 holes
put locknuts on it to lock the pipe onto it

 

[captain14]

Thanks for the build and photos.

 

[Speedy Petey]

Yeah but how to secure the pipe to the structure?

The hole in the ext wall is one support and a rigidly mounted box on the inside is the other support.

 

[soj]

Bent up 5 this morning and temporarily installed 3. They aren't wired but I wanted to get the holes drilled and see how they looked. I realized my conduit bender has a bent tab so It was making it difficult to get the proper arc but I think they look ok.

How did you do the temporary mounting? Is it not good enough to be permanent? What is inside? 2X4 stud wall?
jp

 

[checkthisout]

The hole in the ext wall is one support and a rigidly mounted box on the inside is the other support.

Which is exactly what my solution became!

I found my pipe-threading equipment. I'm going to trim the pipe at the depth I want then "long thread" the end so I can put a locknut on, then put it in a metallic box mounted to a 2x6 nailed between the joists then put a locknut (washer or whatever) on the other side.

Don't think I'll get to it tonight but I'll post pics.

I looked at the light sockets again and they are rated for 660 Watts so I'm upping my wire gauge as well. These were going to serve as ambient/decorative light but I think I'll wire them with #10 just in case ya know....

 

[checkthisout]

How did you do the temporary mounting? Is it not good enough to be permanent? What is inside? 2X4 stud wall?
jp

No, they're just poked through the holes and then resting against some blocking that is part of the framing.

 

[malibu101]

I like what you did. Very nice!

I don't have any input on mounting them, BUT, the design of them looks like a nice path for water to follow toward the hole in the siding. Make sure the hole the pipe is going through is sealed against water very well.

 

[checkthisout]

Threaded the end, lock washer, pass into box, adjust lamp and screw to studs. Done.
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Plug wires into end of extension cord and screw in 60w bulb for gratification purposes. I was too busy watching the Hawks win to do more than one.

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*golf clap*

 

[Gidge]

Nice result !

I am still thinking you may want to add something to cap off where the metal meets the siding for decorative purposes (My 2 ¢).

 

[cajunfirehawk]

OP, thanks to your handy work I am returning some cheap overseas look a likes and instead bought a pair of these off eBay to do as you did. Please tell me this will work ok, specifically asking about the mounting of the new arm to this...
PLMK and thanks for this thread!
And btw those arms are made from Galv 1/2" pipe?

 

[Falcon67]

Definitely NOT to code. The fixture needs to mount to a box.

Yea, well

 

[checkthisout]

OP, thanks to your handy work I am returning some cheap overseas look a likes and instead bought a pair of these off eBay to do as you did. Please tell me this will work ok, specifically asking about the mounting of the new arm to this...
PLMK and thanks for this thread!
And btw those arms are made from Galv 1/2" pipe?

Yes, that looks great! In your case all you have to do is unscrew that threaded pipe portion and bend yourself up an arm or buy a new arm and screw it in place. Easy.

Be sure and save those ceiling mounts. Those are nice.

Yes, the arms are 1/2 galv pipe. You can buy premade goosenecks on ebay if you or a friend don't have a conduit bender. They are like $35.00 @ home depot but if you're only doing 2 it's not worth it once you buy the pipe, bender and spend the time to do it.

Make sure those lamp assemblies have sockets already. If they don't then they aren't worth buying...wait until a pair comes along that already has sockets.

 

[checkthisout]

I like what you did. Very nice!

I don't have any input on mounting them, BUT, the design of them looks like a nice path for water to follow toward the hole in the siding. Make sure the hole the pipe is going through is sealed against water very well.

Yeah. I got 2 cases of Quad left over. I'll goo it around the opening really good!

 

[Speedy Petey]

Threaded the end, lock washer, pass into box, adjust lamp and screw to studs. Done.
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Plug wires into end of extension cord and screw in 60w bulb for gratification purposes. I was too busy watching the Hawks win to do more than one.

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*golf clap*

That's exactly what I was describing. Nice job.

 

[cajunfirehawk]

Yes, that looks great! In your case all you have to do is unscrew that threaded pipe portion and bend yourself up an arm or buy a new arm and screw it in place. Easy.

Be sure and save those ceiling mounts. Those are nice.

Yes, the arms are 1/2 galv pipe. You can buy premade goosenecks on ebay if you or a friend don't have a conduit bender. They are like $35.00 @ home depot but if you're only doing 2 it's not worth it once you buy the pipe, bender and spend the time to do it.

Make sure those lamp assemblies have sockets already. If they don't then they aren't worth buying...wait until a pair comes along that already has sockets.

Thanks yes, I got some with sockets, the seller listed them as 16" but when she went to pack them she noticed they were really 18" and asked if I cared, no, I was happy to get the larger units. Thanks again!

 

[rsnip988]

Looks great!!!
I think I'll be doing the exact same thing shape, mounting and all when I get mine ordered!

 

[1995dak]

Yea, well

Nice looking light. I want to do some of these as well but quick question. With the light rite over the door do you have a big bug problem? I live in East Tx and I moved my porch light on the house away from the door because at night I could not go in the house without moths following you in. Do yall have that problem? Thanks for any input.

Nice lights!

 

[Speedy Petey]

Yea, well

Yeah, well, unless that conduit extends to a box that is a blatantly code illegal installation.

Actually, from the looks of it with those plumbing fittings code is not something you are concerned with.

 

[checkthisout]

Ok, quick pic show if you want to try your own. You should adjust the angles and lengths of your bends based on the diameter of your shades to get a balanced look.

For mine I cut a 10' stick of rigid galv pipe in half, then placed the conduit bender at the threaded end.

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Bend to 90° (I promise it's 90°, doesn't look like it in the pic)

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Move bender down until bent stub and bender on handle are parallel.

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Bend to about 45°. You can see I am matching it up to the other pipes as all "control" is by eye.

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Using template pieces, move bender down until it's at it point where the bend the pipe where it matches the other bends. You could pre-measure this I suppose. Now bend until the stub that connects to the lamp is at the angle you want.


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Then take pipes and fit them up with the shades on and then mark where you want to cut them.

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Cut them.

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Thread the ends. Make the threads long so you can get the lock washers an adequate distance. Pipe threads are tapered and the lock washers only go on the smallest part of the taper.

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De-bur

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Assemble fittings, run wires and install sockets and shades, then slide through holes, figure which knockouts to use on the boxes based on your framing layout and where the lamps fall, install wire grommets for incoming power, install lock washer on tube, slide tube into chosen knockout then install another washer.

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Final pics tomorrow. I should have my wiring run so I can light them up.

Oh and I forgot bushings for the end of the pipe in the box...oh yay...another trip to Home Depot

 

[sledneck32!]

Yeah, well, unless that conduit extends to a box that is a blatantly code illegal installation.

Actually, from the looks of it with those plumbing fittings code is not something you are concerned with.

I noticed chipotle and noodles and a lot of the newer open ceiling type restaurants run lots of wire in galvy plumbing pipe. Must be ok.

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[checkthisout]

I noticed chipotle and noodles and a lot of the newer open ceiling type restaurants run lots of wire in galvy plumbing pipe. Must be ok.

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If it's inspected and approved electrical it's definitely RMC, not Galv pipe.

 

[Gerald O]

Another thread on hanging gooseneck fixtures:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207496

 

[Falcon67]

Yeah, well, unless that conduit extends to a box that is a blatantly code illegal installation.

Actually, from the looks of it with those plumbing fittings code is not something you are concerned with.

Not on that light anyway. The fixture "plumbing" is tied to the box behind it with the grounding wire. So it's wired up like everything else. The "conduit' is just 1 1/2" short of the 4" box is all.

>With the light rite over the door do you have a big bug problem?
Up and to the right of the picture is a motion sensor that controls the light. So it's only on when approaching the door or leaving the building, not longer than one minute.

 

[checkthisout]

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[cajunfirehawk]

Nice job, I got my lights and arms in today and man those lights are so much nicer than the POS lights I bought from amazon. Thanks again!
PS: I plan to use LED bulbs in mine....thoughts?

 

[2Big2Ride]

Nice looking light. I want to do some of these as well but quick question. With the light rite over the door do you have a big bug problem? I live in East Tx and I moved my porch light on the house away from the door because at night I could not go in the house without moths following you in. Do yall have that problem? Thanks for any input.

Nice lights!

Short answer for bugs is yes. Our shop lights are at least 12" higher above the door than Falcon67 and are on from dusk to 11:15p and 5:00a to dawn. They do attract bugs. However, when it is dark inside the building the bugs mostly stay out with the light if you open the door.

 

[checkthisout]

Nice job, I got my lights and arms in today and man those lights are so much nicer than the POS lights I bought from amazon. Thanks again!
PS: I plan to use LED bulbs in mine....thoughts?

The 3 across the front are standard clear 150W bulbs. My plan is to put them on a Zwave dimmer that kicks up to full throttle when motion is detected.

The 2 on the right above the man doors are these cool looking 60W equivalent LED bulbs from Home Depot. The LED assembly in the bulb is this funnel looking thingy. Plenty of light for the area.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-Equivalent-Soft-White-2700K-G25-Globe-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-2-Pack-LED7DG25-C3-TP2P/205974929

 

[checkthisout]

Whenever I make a big purchase....I almost always end up finding a better deal later on something closer to what I wanted.

No regrets but these came home with me today.

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$50.00 each at an estate sale. I bought 10. Most of them still have the original 500W bulbs in them.

I think with my type of building, the whites I put on there are a better choice. Going to use these as yard lights and possibly even as lights in a rec room with a high ceiling.

 

[cajunfirehawk]

Op I know you started this thread in January but look what I finally got up today! Thanks for your info!

miller ivanhoes too just like your lights, btw have any extra porcelain sockets for one, I dropped one