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D.J.

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I had a problem with the bathroom flapper valve that wouldn't close properly and ran all night long did a do yourself fix put in a "top of the line as per hardware store employee and owner" Danco Universal flapper fits most toilets and a universal water valve. Long story short flapper will not seal over the hole. Water closet brand name is Gerber. Employee and owner of hardware store told me to cut the circular part out of the flapper and just let the ears of the flapper control it, I did it, but it still doesn't work properly. Any Suggestions? Thanks in advance, for your answers.
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Is the chain to tight, not allowing the flapper to go down freely?
 
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D.J.

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No chain is plenty loose and it goes down when you open it up and give it a little help but that is getting old fast! It almost acts like it has a air bubble in it keeping it from dropping down over the hole to seal it.
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I had the same issue as you, and was told that Korky was the brand to buy. I bought this kit which replaces the flapper and creates a new sealing surface. Problem solved in 15 minutes.

http://tinyurl.com/2g9ea7m
 
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I'm in the same boat. I've got a Crane toilet that I cannot find a flapper for. It's just a tiny leak-not enough to trip the float-but if you put some food coloring in the bowl, you can see it. I've tried 3 "fits every brand of toilet' flappers - none of them fit! It's got a Hornet in there right now, which almost works, but comes up a little short and allows the front to leak. I've thought about doing the all new bracket /seal deal, but I've had those come off before.

My plumber's got to come do some other stuff, so I'm going to ask him what to try next. For the $$ and time I've spent so far, I could have dropped a new toilet in there by now.
 

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I've had similar problems with a relatively new fixture. Not wanting to replace the relatively new flapper, I found out that our water is hard and was leaving particles, spots, debris, whatever around the seat of the flapper. I ran a scotchbrite around the opening to smooth all the surfaces so the flapper could seat evenly. The drips stopped. It worked for me, might for you too. Or, you Two!
 

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I had the problem. Being pissed i put a few nuts on top of the flapper. A little half assed ,but it worked and has been working for a few years. Only thing you have to do is hold the handle because as soon as you let it got the flapper shuts.
 

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I had the problem. Being pissed i put a few nuts on top of the flapper. A little half assed ,but it worked and has been working for a few years. Only thing you have to do is hold the handle because as soon as you let it got the flapper shuts.


I started laughing as soon as I seen your name. Knew this is the guy for the job.:lol_hitti
 

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I have used the Korky brand flapper. Be advised that there are two different styles of Korky. One for older model toilets and another for the newer models.
In the New York area we have hard water, which causes the flapper to require it be changed more often. Usually about every two to three years.
You should clean off the tank rim that the flapper sits on.
The Korky should solve the problem fo you.
Good Luck!
 
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On mine, I was able to remove the flexible seal material, flip it over and reinstall it. Fixed the problem for me.
 

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A few other things to be aware of:

-Avoid the flapper valves that come with a rubber "zip-tail" that is adjusted by pulling it thru the flush arm. They work great for a year or so then the rubber tail shrinks enough to hold the valve open. The arm can be bent to adjust it but it will soon leak again.

-Avoid flapper valves with the metal chain. The chain will sometimes get sucked in under the edge of the valve causing a big leak. It can also kink. Adjustments can fix the problem sometime.

-Look for the flapper valves with the plastic chain. The chain is almost light enough to float so it does not get sucked in under the valve. It also does not seem to kink.
 

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Looks like a good use for some valve lapping compound :beer:
Clean the surface that it seats to. And start wiggling it around. It has a sweet spot - the problem is finding it.
 
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D.J.

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I guess I didn't make myself clear. The flapper just stays elevated in the tank, and won't drop down over the hole. Nothing is binding and the chain is loose enough that it should fall down overit. When helped to go down it seals properly and all , but it just won't fall into place, like it has a air bubble in the underneath side making it want to float. I hope this clears things up!
Thanks for all the comments?
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sounds like too much water in the tank... try lowering the water level by adjusting the float and then make sure the chain is properly adjusted.
 

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I guess I didn't make myself clear. The flapper just stays elevated in the tank, and won't drop down over the hole. Nothing is binding and the chain is loose enough that it should fall down overit. When helped to go down it seals properly and all , but it just won't fall into place, like it has a air bubble in the underneath side making it want to float. I hope this clears things up!
Thanks for all the comments?
They are supposed to have an air bubble on the underside. That is what keeps them UP while flushing. The air bubble will not float in air so it shuts when the water level drops. During the flush part of the air bubble is displaced by water. The water that has displaced part of the air bubble helps it shut.

Your flapper may be binding on the pivot posts.

The flapper air chamber may have a leak besides the one molded in at the bottom.

The hole at the bottom of the flapper may be blocked.
 
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