Tiger foam diy spray insulation

[Nickmm]

Has anyone had experience with Tiger foam in specific? I have read a good bit on Spray foam, and the professional stuff as well as the ability to rent the equipment. Tiger's system sounds like a decent value. I'd love to hear from someone who has used their product or something similar before.

http://tigerfoam.com/sprayfoaminsulation/technical/data-sheets/

I have two projects to complete still, my garage roof and I'm gutting a room on my upper floor and redoing the insulation, and I'd like to spray foam it. DIY was not on the list till the bill was over 7,000, so now it is looking lucrative.

On their 600bd/ft kit, one board foot is 12"x12" 1" thick, correct? So for 3" you'd be at 200sq ft worth of coverage? I'm looking at going with 3" of coverage as suggested by my contractor, he felt though I could go for R28 at 4", at 3" it is already highly effective. I think I would need about 800 sq feet, but am not sure at this time. The idea is to strip the walls/celling, knock out a window, bring in the sheetrock through said window, then install the new window/rebuild wall, then insulate and sheetrock. The whole project wasn't too expensive till looking at spray insulation, which will help the poor heat retention the upper floor has.

Cheers, all.

Nick

p.s. I can never post again, 123 posts. perfect. or shoot for 1234.

 

[burleyfarm]

I'll be watching this Nick as I'm thinking of using this for the rim joist area of my crawl space. I received two quotes to do it. The low bidder never showed up and the other bid was just too high. I can do it myself for just a little less then the low bidder.
Dave

 

[Nickmm]

I'll keep it up to date. The thing is, I hate being the test dummy. I've seen mention of it multiple times on our site, but nobody who's actually used it. Its basically canned foam in two very high pressure vessels, ha. Their R-value claim is in line with any other closed cell foam, and I've got high hopes I can use it. Because they want the container at 70-85 degrees, I'm looking at April for its use.

I figured there were a lot more watchers than past customers. We shall see!

 

[burleyfarm]

I've got to wait for warmer weather also. I don't have as much surface area as you. I'm only going to spray an inch across the rim joist and on top of the foundation wall to seal it, overlapping the two inch rigid foam that is on the inside of the block concrete crawl space walls. I'll then reinstall the existing 9 inch batts over the foam. This will save me a bundle on the foam and still seal it up well and give me a high r-value.


Sent from my tractor seat.

 

[Platonic Solid]

(Don't shoot the messenger)There's been some real nightmare scenarios with spray foam insulation in New England the past few years. From toxic fumes due to improper mix-application-temperature, to fires attributed to improper application and handling. I'm not saying it can't be done right, just not sure this is the right project for a homeowner to tackle.

 

[scheu]

I used Tigerfoam to spray the rim joist of our home before finishing the basement. It works but I did have problems. I had contacted a few contractors and no one wanted to do a small job like this. First, order extra spray tips, lots, more than you think you could ever use. You will want to change it every time you stop. Second, keep the bottles warm, I had a hell of a time keeping them warm. A helper would have been a good idea (move tanks, keep them warm, hand you tips, etc...). I couldn't get either bottle to empty passed about 1/4. So lots of waste. Now some of that was not getting and keeping it warm. But some wasn't. Would I do it again? Probably, now that I have used it.

 

[racer1]

I used handi foam last fall to insulate. used 3, 600 ft kits. I sprayed the rim joists and put 1 inch thick on all of my basement walls. Was very easy to use. was able to empty my tanks with no problems. I didn't go thru many tips ether. ...And what a freekin difference! Nice and dry, and easy to heat. I would do it again. Locally, $585 per 600 ft kit. I'm going to use the stuff in my garage this summer when i have time. I'll spray 1 inch all around to air seal it, then use 5 in of fiberglass.

 

[JimL]

I used the Froth Pak kits from Dow. 600bdft.

I insulated my crawl space with one, and did another crawl space with another kit.

Night before I put kit in front of a space heater, The temp thing on the side said 85 degrees before I sprayed. If you're gonna be moving the tanks get a helper. Both times I only went thru 2 tips. Froth Pak came with 30' of hose, a lot more than the tiger kits. Just keep on it once you start spraying. Takes about an hour to empty a 600 foot kit.

 

[Nickmm]

Jim et all, thank you guys for the "tips." (so punny!) Seriously, the prior experience is helpful here. I may look at the dow kit as an alternative because A. they make great products and B. 30ft of hose means I shouldn't have to move tanks at all.

(Don't shoot the messenger)There's been some real nightmare scenarios with spray foam insulation in New England the past few years. From toxic fumes due to improper mix-application-temperature, to fires attributed to improper application and handling. I'm not saying it can't be done right, just not sure this is the right project for a homeowner to tackle.

noted, always appreciate good suggestions. I did look into it, saw that if it catches fire noxious chemicals are released, certainly a cause for concern. Same thing with it not curing if not at the right temperature. Read through the manual on tiger foam and the handi foam one as well, lots of mention on proper ppe, proper mix/temperature. I feel if I get those things down and read all the safety instructions, these products are rather safe to use. I'd be doing 3 walls in a 20x10 room. I have the bdft spec, but need to doublecheck. Its going to probably be 2x 600bdft kits at 3", or 3 at 4." I recall it being just a hair over 200sq ft.

 

[finn]

Check with a contractor: The online kits would have cost me $945-$966 plus extra tips, masks, protective gear, etc.

As I type this, a contractor has two technicians doing the room with closed cell foam for $972, plus they did the masking and will scrape the studs and do the cleanup.

 

[Nickmm]

Check with a contractor: The online kits would have cost me $945-$966 plus extra tips, masks, protective gear, etc.

As I type this, a contractor has two technicians doing the room with closed cell foam for $972, plus they did the masking and will scrape the studs and do the cleanup.

That is crazy, finn. I will look for more quotes, I guess. My original quote was much more than that for a relatively small room. Around $3,000 and that was only partial room, I have expanded the project.

 

[purplezr2]

I had 666 sqft with 2 inch thick foam done this fall for 1400. About 1.05 installed per 1 sqft. I can hardly buy materials for that.

 

[JimL]

The froth pak kits, 600bdft was $588 out the door with hose kit

 

[joshuakline]

Zoro has spray foam kits. I don't know much about them, but they might be a good buy next 30% off sale.
http://www.zoro.com/g/Foam Sealants and Spray Foam Kits/00054965/

 

[Voi]

one board foot is 12"x12" 1" thick, correct? So for 3" you'd be at 200sq ft worth of coverage?

Yes and yes. I apologize if those two questions were already answered.

 

[Diesel Dan]

I had 666 sqft with 2 inch thick foam done this fall for 1400. About 1.05 installed per 1 sqft. I can hardly buy materials for that.

My math comes in at $2.10/sq ft,

Locally I was quoted at $1.95/ sq ft but with a minimum order of $1000.

Edit:
Or are you meaning 1" thick per 1 SQFT?
I think our local price was for 2" thick which was their minimum.

 

[volleyball]

One thing to remember is you will remote air to do this safely. Not a cartridge mask.
If you are doing this in a cold space, an electric blanket will help.

 

[compaddict]

Watching...

 

[bjcouche]

I've done both. I paid a contractor to do 2" on my entire 40x64x14 pole building. For larger projects, paying a contractor to do it is much cheaper than diy. For small projects I'd guess that the contractors don't want to bother so the price get's higher. For an hour of setup, hour of cleanup, if the spraying only takes 30 minutes, I can see them not wanting to bother.
I've since walled in a bathroom in the shop and wanted it spray foamed, along with some other areas in the garage. I bought and used the 600ft Froth Pak and would do it again for small jobs. I do have some tips.

Get more tips, if you don't end up needing them, then great, but if you do, you've got them.

Plan on getting the tanks warm ahead of time. I mean the previous day, not the day you want to use them. Bring them in the house where it's 70F the day before. The temperature strip is on the tank above the fluid level and the temp gauge can read warm even though the fluid is cold, thus the 24 hour warm soak... With the tanks warm ahead of time, I didn't have trouble with them getting cold while in use.

I bought the face mask and filters at the same place as the foam. I also bought a bunny suit. I was completely fine with just the mask and filters and didn't need SCBA type equipment. I did notice that when I took the mask off near the recently sprayed foam that I could then smell some fumes that I couldn't with the mask on. I was surprised how well the mask worked. Still, I would use in a well ventilated area, open windows, doors, etc. A couple hours after spraying, it didn't smell at all.

Once you start spraying, plan on not stopping, IF you stop for more than 20-30 seconds, the tips can clog, and that's how you go through tips. IF you have to climb up and down a ladder, consider scaffolding with wheels so a helper can wheel you around.

Finally, when the tanks are empty, one will likely empty first. Watch the color. If the color starts changing significantly as you are spraying, STOP. You don't want to be spraying just one part or the other. It will just run everywhere and not harden and be a mess to clean up. My kit ran until one tank was completely empty and the other only had a tiny bit left.