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davidlee

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On my walk in shower I have some type of "scale" forming. It is white in color and very hard. I have tried vinegar, full strength muriatic acid, CRL, and the scale remover used in our ice maker. Nothing seems to touch it. I finally used my angle grinder with a flap wheel to knock it off but I would like to find a chemical that would remove the small amounts that I can not get to.
It is both on the grout and on the tile mostly around the edge where the wall meets the floor.
 
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...full strength muriatic acid... Nothing seems to touch it...
If a drop of muriatic acid doesn't get it to foam, then it's not calcium scale.

Was this always there? Haze left behind from polymer modified grouts could resemble that, and would be acid resistant.

Is this a natural stone tile, or ceramic or porcelain, or what? Cementitious grout, or epoxy, or something else? Is this a known issue with your neighborhood's city water chemistry, or are you on well water (softened?)? I think we need to know more about what this acid resistant scale is composed of, to know how to dissolve it.
 

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Was this always there? Haze left behind from polymer modified grouts could resemble that, and would be acid resistant.
I think we need to know more about what this acid resistant scale is composed of, to know how to dissolve it.
This. Do you see the same scale on the faucets or water outlets? Drained your water heater recently to see what is in that?
 
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davidlee

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It is not a thin film and has not always been there. The shower was completed about eight years ago but the "scale" showed up about a year ago. It is thick enough that I can scrape it off with a razor scraper but that is a lot of work.
I used a cement type of grout not epoxy.
There is visible residue on the spray nozzles but little or no residue on the tile other than the corners. I first thought it was calcium but the muriatic doesn't touch it.
I have a tankless water heater.
My wife has a fiberglass tub and shower and there are no signs of it on her spray nozzle.
I feel like it may be coming from the water supply but I don't understand why it to only visible on the perimeter of the shower.
I am on municipal water supply and our raw water is very soft so they add lime and I am not sure what else to prevent the water from being aggressive on ther piping.
 

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(Retired Chemistry teacher here)

I’m in for a possible answer to this problem. I have nothing to add. Very mysterious!
 

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How was the shower pan constructed? Was a surface membrane used on the floor/walls (something like schluter kerdi, or a liquid applied membrane)? Or was the shower pan a typical rubber liner with cement on top?
Any pictures of what this buildup looks like?

What type of soaps do you use? Any bar soap by chance or just liquid products?
 
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davidlee

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It was a "factory built" foam pan covered with a waterproof coating.
I use body wash.
I should have taken pictures before I ground most of it off. Sorry
 

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In that case, I still am pretty certain that it is limescale (calcium based). When it gets that thick I have found the cleaners really don't touch it, or it literally takes forever because it has to take one small layer at a time. At the point it is thick like that the fastest removal is mechanical, razor scraping is very effective. After razor scraping a cleaning with an acid finishes it off. Usually a razor blade won't hurt porcelain tile.

You could try citric acid, that can sometimes be pretty effective. The best though is prevention, doing an acid clean more often to keep it from getting built up is key. Abosolute best practice is not letting water sit and dry but most aren't willing to take that step. I used to squeegee my whole shower after every shower, doesn't take long and keeps the shower looking awesome forever. I got lazier and now I just clean the floor/corners in my shower every 2-3 weeks with a good cleaner (varies between a few I have but something acidic that will break the limescale down) and that seems to work as well. I do towel off the shower glass every shower and that keeps it looking new forever. Buildup on glass does damage the surface and eventually looks cloudy and bad even when clean.

If you use an acid cleaner just make sure to wash after with some sort of detergent to neutralize and wash away the acid.
 
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davidlee

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I am retrying some CRL since I ground most of it off. If that doesn't work I will go to muriatic acid. I will keep you informed. Thanks
 

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One of the issues with the cleaners is they dry out or drain away. I have found that if you use a rag or paper towel and satruate it all and then cover with plastic the cleaner will stay in contact much better and then let it sit for 30-60 minutes and then give it a scrub with a green scrub pad.
 

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I used to squeegee my whole shower after every shower, doesn't take long and keeps the shower looking awesome forever.

This. ^^^^^^

Once you get the shower clean, just spend one minute after each shower cleaning it up. IMHO, It’s WAY easier to spend one minute every day than it is to spend an hour or more every two months.
My wife and I use dedicated shower clean up towels. One for the glass and one for the tiles. Then sponge dry the floor. The clear glass door stays crystal clear.
Another important thing is that to prevent mold growth, leave the exhaust fan going after you finish in the bathroom. I installed a timer switch in each bathroom so that it will stay on up to an hour.
 

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This. ^^^^^^

Once you get the shower clean, just spend one minute after each shower cleaning it up. IMHO, It’s WAY easier to spend one minute every day than it is to spend an hour or more every two months.
My wife and I use dedicated shower clean up towels. One for the glass and one for the tiles. Then sponge dry the floor. The clear glass door stays crystal clear.
Another important thing is that to prevent mold growth, leave the exhaust fan going after you finish in the bathroom. I installed a timer switch in each bathroom so that it will stay on up to an hour.
Once the shower is "really clean" I use a "daily shower maintainer" on our shower and works well. Plenty of "DIY recipes" on the net……… I use the alcohol, peroxide, jet dry and Dawn mixed with distilled water recipe and it works great for maintaining the shower for in between bi monthly cleanings, just spray it on after every shower and let it dry.
 
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davidlee

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I have not sealed the grout or the tile since I built it about nine years ago. Would resealing help prevent future build up?
 

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Tile doesn't need to be sealed (stone does). Sealing grout is a good idea but won't stop calcium build-up. Proper cleaning and care keeps the build up away.

However, I have recently tried a hydrophobic coating on my glass and I put it on my tile/grout and it seems to be helpful. I used Enduro Shield. It worked great on the glass, jury is still out on the tile. I am not certain yet if it really makes much if any difference on the tile.
 
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