tile over vinyl lam?
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rwhite692
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Can it be done, well, yes.... But it's really not recommended. Remove the vinyl (to subfloor), install backerboard over a layer of thinset, lay tile.
RAYJAY
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or justt install the backer board ( I have used luan or Cement Backer Board in the past) over the vinyl and had no problems.
p.s. used the luan before they made the Cement Backer Board..............
yea Shown the age card ...........Jeff
red69ss
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I have put cement board right over vinyl if it was glued well several times. I don't see how it would be an issue, and I looked at it as another water barrier. Now if your talking about placing tile straight to the vinyl, I wouldn't even think of doing that. I don't think the thinset will bond well to it. JMO
Yes, it can be done. There is a modified thin set that has an additive which works well will well glued down vinly.
2nd, be careful, before you start trying to undo vinly. Most of it made prior to the mi70, early 80's had asbestos in it. I cut a small piece of my vinly floor out(mid 60's and had it tested), it tested positive for asbestos.
I then spoke with several tile installers who said they laid tile down directly over the vinly everyday, and to use the proper modified thinset and I wouldn't have any problems. That was 4 years ago and so far no problems.
2nd, be careful, before you start trying to undo vinly. Most of it made prior to the mi70, early 80's had asbestos in it. I cut a small piece of my vinly floor out(mid 60's and had it tested), it tested positive for asbestos.
I then spoke with several tile installers who said they laid tile down directly over the vinly everyday, and to use the proper modified thinset and I wouldn't have any problems. That was 4 years ago and so far no problems.
thanks guys more info its a 10 yr old hd good vinyl floor which i glued the hell out of back then , it is on half of the liv din combo i have in a rental property, all the same level , not sure at this point with half of the tile( where there was carpet) down allready i could put cement board down now (un level), im gonna try and rip some more off tomorrow but man its down good, if all else fails ill look into that special bonding set mentioned above thks guys.
I have tile directly on vinyl with a cement subfloor. I believe the installer scuffed up the vinyl with a belt sander and then used the thinset that bonds to vinyl. The floor has held up without issue for over five years and is still as solid as a rock.
MrMark
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You can use ditra or something like that right over the vinyl
MrMark
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MrMark
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I wouldn't do a tile job on anything other than concrete without ditra.
well i got the tile for free!!!!! white 12x12 semi smooth so hence the reason to go with tile...also the pergo stuff is good but i wouldnt put it in a rental lots of beach sand near here and it gets scratched up pretty fast its either cheap carpet or tile.
rwhite692
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Putting down backerboard without a layer of thinset under it, is a complete waste of time. The entire purpose of the thinset under the backer is to create a monolithic and non-compressible base to lay the tile on. The thinset also serves to equalize all of the variations/valleys in the subfloor.
I crack up when I see people laying concrete backerboard with a few squirts of liquid nails under it. All this does is to create unsupported voids under the backerboard. When I was in college I re-did more of those jobs than I can count.
I crack up when I see people laying concrete backerboard with a few squirts of liquid nails under it. All this does is to create unsupported voids under the backerboard. When I was in college I re-did more of those jobs than I can count.
tcianci
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As mentioned you can buy the proper modified thin set mortar and apply ceramic tile to a sheet vinyl floor. Abrading the floor is recommended but as the instruction caution, some sheet goods were manufactured with asbestos. Your best bet is to abrade the vinyl by hand with a coarse (36-40) grit paper, wear a mask approved for asbestos and then do a wet clean up. I have applied ceramic over vinyl myself with no issues.
In the case of applying cement backer board, as one poster said, putting down the backer board without a layer of thinset under it is a waste of time...in most cases. If you have a situation where the existing subfloor is perfectly clean and smooth to the point where you can achieve 100% contact between the backer board and the subfloor, you will probably be OK but why chance it. (I've done it plenty of times). A big box store is a good place to start to educate yourself on many of the available products for setting tile successfully but remember that the spectrum of stuff you see there is based mainly on what they can sell in large quantities at big margins. A true tile/flooring dealer will have knowledge of the many products that exist to address nearly every situation that professional tile installer will encounter. They could well be your best resource for information.
In the case of applying cement backer board, as one poster said, putting down the backer board without a layer of thinset under it is a waste of time...in most cases. If you have a situation where the existing subfloor is perfectly clean and smooth to the point where you can achieve 100% contact between the backer board and the subfloor, you will probably be OK but why chance it. (I've done it plenty of times). A big box store is a good place to start to educate yourself on many of the available products for setting tile successfully but remember that the spectrum of stuff you see there is based mainly on what they can sell in large quantities at big margins. A true tile/flooring dealer will have knowledge of the many products that exist to address nearly every situation that professional tile installer will encounter. They could well be your best resource for information.