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larry_g

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So what kind of degree should I go for? Should I still go for an automotive degree since I already have most of the tools and use it to show future employers I have the desire to fix things? Or is there a different degree I should go for instead?

This is what my local community college offers: http://www.austincc.edu/degrees-and...l-choices/all-credit-degrees-and-certificates

Electronics and Advanced Technologies
Associate of Applied Science Degree
Automation, Robotics and Controls Technology Specialization
Electronics Technician Specialization
Engineering Technology Specialization

The above is where I would suggest you look. Being in Pflugerville you are surrounded by Dell computers. I worked for a competitor years ago and was in the automation repair field. I moved into the field from auto repair. A lot like you I wanted to be a mechanic and work in the 'tuners' arena. I found out that auto repair work is 5% mental and 95% manual labor. In the factory there was climate control, clean work environment, nice people, and high pay. If you can, see if some one can get you into the manufacturing floor or the R&D shop where you would work on proto type machines and stuff. For me I likened my career to being a kid with a multi-million dollar erector set.

While working I had a great time building hotrods for me.

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Have you considered skipping school and finding an employer that will take you under their wing? That way you can try before you buy so to speak.

My mother would kick my *** if I didn't get an associates degree at the minimum.

I don't know how things are in Austin, but the average Auto Tech with an associate's degree in California is currently making $30-$35k a year. You mentioned you wanted $25/hour AFTER taxes, well that roughly comes out to $60k a year. To work on cars and make that money, you're probably going to be an ASE Master Tech with a minimum of 10 years experience and a host of other ASE Certs.

For comparison, I can tell an 18 year old out of High School and tell him/her to get an Engineering Technology Associates Degree with a focus on CAD with AutoCAD and in five years after school, they will be making $65k a year. At least in California. At that point, they can leverage that experience and hopefully have learned some Project Management skills along the way, that they can laterally move from Civil, Electrical, Mechanical, and even Architectural drafting and design.

That's the key thing here: you have to be willing to go where the jobs are. And it seems that you have already discounted a lot of other potential careers that also require mechanically inclined people--HVAC/Mechanical Techs, Electricians, and Plumbers do much much more than residential. Once you get into the commercial side, you get to work on some interesting machinery. For anyone mechanically inclined, that's what I would suggest they go into.

I have no problem moving to where the jobs are, so long as it's not in a stupid state, and unfortunately California is the dumbest states there is. All the reasons are political though, so I won't go into them on here. But, if it's not a dumb statell then I have no problem moving.

My end game is prescott arizona, but that can change if there aren't jobs there or if I find a better job somewhere else with a similar climate.

I discounted residential stuff, I hadn't considered commercial, tell me more.
 

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Listen to Filipino, he knows what he's talking about. I made what you are looking for wrenching on cars about 5 years ago, the wages are in steady decline due to manufacturer and dealer screw jobs. It also took many years to get there. There is more money, consistent money, and way less stress in the other fields mentioned.
 

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Whatever you do, don't go into CAD. You'll be bored to death behind a screen all day.

And I'd find an apprenticeship or something like that. Don't go buy a bunch of tools and pay stupid money for school just because your mom tells you to. Start working now and you'll be ahead of the game with experience.
 

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Texas is booming. You being a mechanic is your comfort zone you could look into becoming an aircraft mechanic. Then all you need to do is live by an airport.
 

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lol, can't believe some of the "advice" around here

do you want to have a chance for a good life? a nice car, a nice house , a damn nice wife?

stay in school, stay ahead of school... it's not damn joke

have you seen that mechanic with his home garage full of ferraris ? you haven't?

that's because he doesn't exists

handy work doesn't pay (excluding high risk or health hazzard jobs)


give yourself a chance , do as much school as you can while you're young

so you think siting at a desk all day "*****" guess again, fixing the toilet of the guy who sits at the desck ***** a lot more. or fixing he's bmw while you drive a pos toyota and pay weekly to the tool truck guy .
 

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lol, can't believe some of the "advice" around here

do you want to have a chance for a good life? a nice car, a nice house , a damn nice wife?

stay in school, stay ahead of school... it's not damn joke

have you seen that mechanic with his home garage full of ferraris ? you haven't?

that's because he doesn't exists

handy work doesn't pay (excluding high risk or health hazzard jobs)


give yourself a chance , do as much school as you can while you're young

so you think siting at a desk all day "*****" guess again, fixing the toilet of the guy who sits at the desck ***** a lot more. or fixing he's bmw while you drive a pos toyota and pay weekly to the tool truck guy .

The old saying is you can make more with your brain than your back. That applies to a lot of people, but not everyone and some people just aren't cut out for desk jobs. The OP should keep in mind that back breaking work will wear your body out over the years.
 
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I'm only really considering Snap-On at this moment because I'll be able to get them through their student program come spring, which I'm pretty sure means I'd be able to buy them for half the normal price. If it wasn't for that then I'd be looking at SK and Sonic and whoever else.

Buy all the Snap On you can on 50% off and ebay it and offer international shipping. You will get close to the list price for the tools. Use the difference to buy cheap tools.

Regarding 1/2" chrome I agree with member skin. My 1/2 use is 90% impact sockets. I still need good chrome set, but I work on heavy old rusted out stuff.
 

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Last time I lost a set, I went on Ebay, and searched for "1/2 drive set" then I filtered for used items.
Eneded up with a nice rack of Indestro super for less than what an HF set would have cost me.
sure, I'm 'screwed' if I break one, but I'm in it less than 10% of new Snappy price
 

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Like others have said, the industry of auto mechanics sux. I love working on cars. My body hates it. 32, full of arthritis, torn tendons and ligaments, worn out. I have thousands and thousands in tools, all my 1/2 inch drive metric stuff is impact. Sunex, grey pneumatic etc. Will be just fine.I use my 3/8 impact stuff the most.
 

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is you rarely use sae in the automotive field. After school they'll probably just take up space so I wouldn't worry about getting the best. Probably whatever you can find for a good deal on ebay or craigslist. Lots out there for sale by people who bought them & never used them. Then again if you're looking at other fields that might be what all the fasteners are. I'm currently trying to get into another career myself. I love wrenching on cars but we're extremely under paid for the amount of knowledge & tool investment expected of us.


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Fixing the desk dude's toilet sounds far more enjoyable to me than being the desk dude. There's no way I'd survive in a corporate environment. I'd be much happier making $50k/year fixing the desk dude's toilet rather than making $100k/year being the desk dude. Sure, it's a job, and it's not going to be the funnest thing in the world, but that doesn't mean I'm going to make myself absolutely miserable just so I can make more money.

I definitely wouldn't mind a commercial job, fixing stuff in a factory, or a hospital, or something of that nature. Turning a wrench on a machine sounds more enjoyable than doing electrical stuff or plumbing stuff though, but I don't know what key words I need to search for on job sites to find the kind of job I'm talking about.

I could see myself doing that kind of thing at a hospital too, depending on what all those guys do. Someone who actually does stuff at a hospital wanna chime into what your job entails on a day-to-day basis?

I'm not all that good at being a people person, so I'd definitely prefer something to where my interaction with customers is kept to the bare minimum. I'm much happier when I'm left alone to do a job instead of being interrupted every five minutes, which is one reason why retail never worked out well for me.

As far as Craigslist goes for tools, I've been keeping my eye out for stuff, but too many people are wanting almost retail prices for heavily used stuff, and the majority of the pawn shops are wanting more than retail, so that's pretty much out of the question. I'll keep my eye on eBay, hopefully a good deal will pop up when I can afford it.

Electronics and Advanced Technologies
Associate of Applied Science Degree
Automation, Robotics and Controls Technology Specialization
Electronics Technician Specialization
Engineering Technology Specialization

The above is where I would suggest you look. Being in Pflugerville you are surrounded by Dell computers. I worked for a competitor years ago and was in the automation repair field. I moved into the field from auto repair. A lot like you I wanted to be a mechanic and work in the 'tuners' arena. I found out that auto repair work is 5% mental and 95% manual labor. In the factory there was climate control, clean work environment, nice people, and high pay. If you can, see if some one can get you into the manufacturing floor or the R&D shop where you would work on proto type machines and stuff. For me I likened my career to being a kid with a multi-million dollar erector set.

While working I had a great time building hotrods for me.

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That's one reason why auto repair doesn't appeal to me as much as the tuners world does, and one reason why a factory/hospital/whatever else indoors kind of job appeals to me more. I can deal with the heat and be fine, but if I don't have to then why should I? Especially if the inside job pays better, and hopefully the more expensive tools, or all of the tools, will be supplied to me, rather than having to buy them myself.

I'd be happier with a $50k/year job and job supplied tools, rather than a $55k/year job and I'm forced to buy my own.

An R&D shop sounds like it could be fun, I think I could enjoy repairing robotic machines and the like, so long as it pays well and I get challenged.

I watched a video on youtube about how to change spark plugs in my new Murano, and went "Ehhh.... I really don't think I'd enjoy doing that. I think I'd dread it more than anything." So I'm not entirely sure that being a mechanic is right for me, but I don't know what else to search for. Granted, I think it'd be nice to know that something works because I put it back together, and I'm sure that I'll experience some similar to this no matter where I go, but the tight confines under the hood of a fwd vehicle have never given me any pleasure.

What kinds of key words do I need to search for on job sites? R&D repair? Automation repair? Hospital maintenance? Any suggestions?
 

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lol, can't believe some of the "advice" around here

do you want to have a chance for a good life? a nice car, a nice house , a damn nice wife?

stay in school, stay ahead of school... it's not damn joke

have you seen that mechanic with his home garage full of ferraris ? you haven't?

that's because he doesn't exists

handy work doesn't pay (excluding high risk or health hazzard jobs)


give yourself a chance , do as much school as you can while you're young

so you think siting at a desk all day "*****" guess again, fixing the toilet of the guy who sits at the desck ***** a lot more. or fixing he's bmw while you drive a pos toyota and pay weekly to the tool truck guy .

Your advice is actually worse. You cant just say "stay in school". Depending on what people focus on its not uncommon to find people who make 50k/yr or under and have 100-150k in student loans looming over them for the next 10 years of their life. Choosing a good career path is more important than merely saying "stay in school". If only the road to success was that simple. In fact i'd go so far to say that work ethic and a drive to be as successful as you can is more important than any education. An education can enhance success but wont create it.
 
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justme-

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Very few mechanic jobs in any aspect include tools...it's normally a techs responsibility. Industrial techs seem to be the exception to that.
Don't get into a mechanic line of work for the money... it's not there...do it because you love it. If you don't think changing spark plugs is a fun thing look at another career.
There is a massive shortage of techs in my field, projected to get far worse before it gets better, and those coming in are computer diagnostic trained so when they get into the real world are clueless about what's actually out there.

Ever see 6 techs all with their laptops plugged into different systems of a forklift trying to find a problem for 45 minutes when the unit was simply out of gas?!?!

Very few tech jobs seem to pay in the 50k range. If industrial robots interest you learn electronics and potentially start electronic engineering...there's more computer software issues in those than hard failures tho.
 

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If you don't like working with people industrial factory maintenance might not be too bad, it's normally to loud to really talk to anybody and the hours are probably steady. Plus if nothing's broke at the moment you might even get a chance to sit down and mosey for 5 or 10 minutes. There's also a good chance a factory would be union and offer a pension and a little better benefits. Also you might be able to get by with a more basic tool set as some provide bigger tools, power tools and specialty stuff. I worked at a poultry plant for a while and only needed standard tools, 95% of the machines were made in America there so metric bolts were few and far between.
 
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