Bad Eye Bill
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Used brake fluid. Been using it for years. Is that hillbilly enough?
Tire mounting lube?
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MarineScott
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Silicone spray, or tire lube at work.
archibaldtuttle
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@bubinga well ATF hews reasonably closely to my understanding of a composition of oils that doesn't lead to decomposition of rubber seals. doesn't have the gelatinous body i'm looking for to help with making the bead (vs. bead sealing).
notice several votes for euro paste. e.g. @nicks78camaro and @Greg5OH . while i understand that to be maybe bassed on vegetable oil or (?) i notice it says it has "rust inhibitors" which suggests to me that it is kind of on the water based/mixable side.
ditto ruglide which makes people happy.
I'm going to inquire directly with Xtra tomorrow about the difference between euro paste and no rim rust.
reminder that the main distinction of my replaying of this thread is my garage is unheated and well under freezing much of this season which is why i'm focused on non-water base.
thanks all for picking up this boxing day thread.
brian
notice several votes for euro paste. e.g. @nicks78camaro and @Greg5OH . while i understand that to be maybe bassed on vegetable oil or (?) i notice it says it has "rust inhibitors" which suggests to me that it is kind of on the water based/mixable side.
ditto ruglide which makes people happy.
I'm going to inquire directly with Xtra tomorrow about the difference between euro paste and no rim rust.
reminder that the main distinction of my replaying of this thread is my garage is unheated and well under freezing much of this season which is why i'm focused on non-water base.
thanks all for picking up this boxing day thread.
brian
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@Bad Eye Bill and @MarineScott
sorry, i was typing when you were. like ATF, these are automotive fluids (that might be a euphemism for silicone spray) that are designed not to degrade rubber but they aren't as pasty as a mounting compound that doubles for helping bead making and bead sealing.
both would be compatible with cold temps of course.
sorry, i was typing when you were. like ATF, these are automotive fluids (that might be a euphemism for silicone spray) that are designed not to degrade rubber but they aren't as pasty as a mounting compound that doubles for helping bead making and bead sealing.
both would be compatible with cold temps of course.
Lassen Forge
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At least no one has mentioned KY Jelly... yet...
Locker537
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Be careful with Simple Green on aluminum and certain alloys. It's corrosive.
Simple Green FAQs
Find frequently asked questions and answers about Simple Green, the non-toxic, biodegradable, environmentally safer cleaning product.
simplegreen.com
There's plenty of horror stories of people letting aluminum parts, such as expensive carb bodies and wheels, soak in Simple Green and it essentially destroying the part.
GophersGarage
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(xtra seal) which is made for this type of thing. and not expensive
this is the professional way to do tires
rust lubes, degreasers, engine oil etc are not for tire repair.
this is the professional way to do tires
rust lubes, degreasers, engine oil etc are not for tire repair.
Bad Eye Bill
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Sorry, the OP's original question was for tire mounting lube not bead sealer. That's what I was responding to. I wasn't joking either, brake fluid makes a great lube.
I don't think the newer fluid will peel paint anymore either. Or maybe the newer paint isn't vulnerable to brake fluid? Anyone know?
homebuilt burner
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Malco tire mounting lube, Murphy’s, or Kentool bead eze.
mz44
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I thought it was crazy first time I saw used thought the wheel would just spin in the tire it doesn't. I use on atv tires and works great
I usually use WD40 in a squirt bottle or Dawn water down. That's on tractor tires though. I never have had a tire slip on the rim. Years ago before I had tire tools a guy came and used grease on the tire. Grease takes forever to dry and ended up spinning on the rim and destroying the tube. It doesn't take long to pay for tire tools that way.
jsaw
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Frey lube no rim rust ,
Beanscoot
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I have been using plain old motor oil or gear oil for a couple decades with no issues. When I take the tires off after they're worn out, the rubber shows no issues, and is nice and soft still.
I did used to use grease, and had no issues with that either.
I like the petroleum lubes as they won't encourage rust or corrosion of rims.
I did used to use grease, and had no issues with that either.
I like the petroleum lubes as they won't encourage rust or corrosion of rims.
Beanscoot
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I mount all my tires with my swap meet manual bead breaker and tire spoons I made 25 years ago during my apprenticeship. I actually enjoy it, although it can be a bit of a chore at times.
I'm always using second hand tires anyway, the tire shops might complain about the date codes.
I'm always using second hand tires anyway, the tire shops might complain about the date codes.
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40 years ago Grampa taught to change a tire with spoons and a big hammer. He used bacon grease and had been doing so for decades.
bcschief
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Might have a lot of dogs chasing your cars and trucks.
I was like you for a while. Unheated garage slingin tires the europaste held up fine. Dealing with tires was another story. I do low pro stretched tires on high end 3 piece wheels…definitely want some heat. Id preheat them with a heat gun before lol.
if you do any more than a couple sets in he winter, spend the cash for insulation and heating, and youll wonder why you didnt bite the bullet sooner.
Also my hunter road force machine would refuse to turn on for the first 5 minuets when it was cold. Just stood there and had a constant beep.
if you do any more than a couple sets in he winter, spend the cash for insulation and heating, and youll wonder why you didnt bite the bullet sooner.
Also my hunter road force machine would refuse to turn on for the first 5 minuets when it was cold. Just stood there and had a constant beep.
PBCampbell
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I'll just throw petroleum jelly(vaseline) into the mix since no one else has yet.
theoldwizard1
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Any dish soap mixed with water will work. Don't be stingy with the soap !
A bucket of this will last you a lifetime !
Bonus ! Murphy's Tire and Tube Mounting Compound will also help seal beads ! You can't do this with dish soap or Ru-Glyde.
How to Seat a Bead with Murphy's Soap for Tires by All Tire Supply
A bucket of this will last you a lifetime !
Bonus ! Murphy's Tire and Tube Mounting Compound will also help seal beads ! You can't do this with dish soap or Ru-Glyde.
How to Seat a Bead with Murphy's Soap for Tires by All Tire Supply
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bwringer
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As far as a tire mounting lube that won't freeze, I have no idea. I don't know if any are alcohol-based, or include enough alcohol to prevent freezing. It just hasn't been a design priority, I suppose.
Perhaps you could experiment with something along those lines; alcohol should evaporate easily enough without damaging the tires.
Ru-Glyde is a water-based potassium soap with some corrosion inhibitors. Other tire mounting lubricants are similar formulations of some sort of mild water-based soap with additives.
On motorcycling websites, this topic comes up often because a lot of us have to start changing our own tires out of financial self-defense.
What I don't get is the outright OBSESSION a lot of folks have with using ANYTHING except a tire mounting lube. They'll obsess and argue endlessly over tires, oil, grease, chain lube, antifreeze, and everything else, but somehow buying tire mounting lube is completely off the table. I've never understood this.
If you share this obsession and simply MUST raid the kitchen, bathroom, or hall closet rather than coughing up the measly $15-$20 on the proper stuff, you want to avoid detergents in favor of a mild soap. Most will also need to be diluted. You also need to avoid substances that do not evaporate and/or leave a residue, as well as solvents or oils that could interact with or soften the rubber.
Could work safely, but none of these contain corrosion inhibitors. If you must, use sparingly and dilute:
Murphy's Oil Soap (and yes, Murphy's makes a delightfully scented tire mounting lube)
Baby shampoo (I'd avoid most shampoos, since many contain some pretty harsh detergents)
Hand soap
Water-based personal lubricant (good old Kentucky Jelly)
Some milder car wash soaps (avoid the "all in one" or "one step" versions with wax and harsh detergents)
Avoid (yes, I've seen almost all these recommended at one time or another):
Windex and all other spray cleaners (very corrosive)
Armor-All (hangs around
Silicone spray
WD-40
Tri-Flow
Bear grease, Bbacon grease, etc.
Vaseline
Vagisil
Athlete's foot/itch cream
Most hand cleaners (many contain some pretty harsh solvents)
Oil, ATF, grease, and other hydrocarbon lubricants
Vegetable oil
Pine-sol
Pam cooking spray
Silicone-based personal lubricant
Antifreeze
Car wax
And yeah, I used the word hillbilly. I come from a long, proud line of hillbillies who ate possum-n-taters and squirrel brains on toast. I have all the respect in the world for hillbillies who make do with what they have when they need to, but there's a point where it gets silly or dangerous to make do when it's so easy and inexpensive to get the right stuff for the job at hand. There are two sides to the hillbilly mindset and I've seen both. Sometimes it's sheer ingenuity, sometimes it's an aggravating pigheadedness and a refusal to even consider doing things the right way.
There are many, many times I can recall on the family farm when the hillbilly "make do" mindset caused more trouble, lost time, cost, and danger than just fixing or doing the damn thing correctly in the first place. And of course just as many or more times when hillbilly ingenuity saved the day. The well-rounded hillbilly must know the difference.
Perhaps you could experiment with something along those lines; alcohol should evaporate easily enough without damaging the tires.
Ru-Glyde is a water-based potassium soap with some corrosion inhibitors. Other tire mounting lubricants are similar formulations of some sort of mild water-based soap with additives.
On motorcycling websites, this topic comes up often because a lot of us have to start changing our own tires out of financial self-defense.
What I don't get is the outright OBSESSION a lot of folks have with using ANYTHING except a tire mounting lube. They'll obsess and argue endlessly over tires, oil, grease, chain lube, antifreeze, and everything else, but somehow buying tire mounting lube is completely off the table. I've never understood this.
If you share this obsession and simply MUST raid the kitchen, bathroom, or hall closet rather than coughing up the measly $15-$20 on the proper stuff, you want to avoid detergents in favor of a mild soap. Most will also need to be diluted. You also need to avoid substances that do not evaporate and/or leave a residue, as well as solvents or oils that could interact with or soften the rubber.
Could work safely, but none of these contain corrosion inhibitors. If you must, use sparingly and dilute:
Murphy's Oil Soap (and yes, Murphy's makes a delightfully scented tire mounting lube)
Baby shampoo (I'd avoid most shampoos, since many contain some pretty harsh detergents)
Hand soap
Water-based personal lubricant (good old Kentucky Jelly)
Some milder car wash soaps (avoid the "all in one" or "one step" versions with wax and harsh detergents)
Avoid (yes, I've seen almost all these recommended at one time or another):
Windex and all other spray cleaners (very corrosive)
Armor-All (hangs around
Silicone spray
WD-40
Tri-Flow
Bear grease, Bbacon grease, etc.
Vaseline
Vagisil
Athlete's foot/itch cream
Most hand cleaners (many contain some pretty harsh solvents)
Oil, ATF, grease, and other hydrocarbon lubricants
Vegetable oil
Pine-sol
Pam cooking spray
Silicone-based personal lubricant
Antifreeze
Car wax
And yeah, I used the word hillbilly. I come from a long, proud line of hillbillies who ate possum-n-taters and squirrel brains on toast. I have all the respect in the world for hillbillies who make do with what they have when they need to, but there's a point where it gets silly or dangerous to make do when it's so easy and inexpensive to get the right stuff for the job at hand. There are two sides to the hillbilly mindset and I've seen both. Sometimes it's sheer ingenuity, sometimes it's an aggravating pigheadedness and a refusal to even consider doing things the right way.
There are many, many times I can recall on the family farm when the hillbilly "make do" mindset caused more trouble, lost time, cost, and danger than just fixing or doing the damn thing correctly in the first place. And of course just as many or more times when hillbilly ingenuity saved the day. The well-rounded hillbilly must know the difference.
toddmorr
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"well-rounded hillbilly must know the difference."
that was really funny i have to say
that was really funny i have to say
Bad Eye Bill
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This well-rounded flatland hillbilly got a pretty good laugh out of Vagisil.
Good post and 100% true.
bubinga
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bwringer
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LOL, I see we have diverged from the topic...Did you really eat squirrel brains on toast?
No, I never ate squirrel brains on toast, scrambled (cow) brains-n-eggs, possum-n-taters, or noodles-n-scratchers, but I grew up around people who did. I never witnessed possum-n-taters because the smell was so bad that possum was specifically banned from Grandma's kitchen before I was born.
I don't remember anyone talking about cooking up a raccoon, but I know people in southern Indiana hunt them (you could hear the night hunts for miles) and so I suppose some folks must eat them.
And of course I have witnessed both terribly dangerous and incredibly clever things done with baling wire on the farm.
Wrench97
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Buddy of mine had Hog brains once at the Holiday Inn in Augusta Ga after the waitress corrected him for ordering pigs brains in a fine establishment in the south.....................
Beanscoot
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As for trying to save a few bucks on tire lube.... Have you priced Kentucky Jelly lately?
leadfoot415
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Another vote for the Xtra Seal Euro Paste...
If this isn't available, a few spritzes of spray silicone works in a pinch. Shop doesn't always keep enough real stuff on hand and have to improvise.
Be careful with Simple Green on aluminum and certain alloys. It's corrosive.
Simple Green FAQs
Find frequently asked questions and answers about Simple Green, the non-toxic, biodegradable, environmentally safer cleaning product.
There's plenty of horror stories of people letting aluminum parts, such as expensive carb bodies and wheels, soak in Simple Green and it essentially destroying the part.
Quite a few horror stories back in the old days of that over at Forums.sohc4.net
theoldwizard1
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My wife likes chicken livers, breaded and fried !Did you really eat squirrel brains on toast?
Old Man Roger
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I ain’t no hillbilly, I just play one on a garage forum lol
SILVERPLATE
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Old days, late sixties we used kerosen.
PassnThru
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Fried chicken livers aren't even on the same level as the items listed above - they are considered mainstream.
And yes - they are good.
Ricky Joe
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And to seat a stubborn bead, use starting fluid and a match.
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