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WhiffySpark

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vettex2 said:
I only fix my own nowadays and no I don't toss good tires because there is a plug in it.
That is stupid.
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You can do whatever you want on your own tire. If you brought it to me it wouldn't be getting fixed.

Wait until you see foam lined tires. I won't fix those either. I've seen them in tesla and Range Rover so far. The Range Rover was $800 a tire
 
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I always get them inspected and repaired using a patch/plug combo. Years ago when I worked at Firestone a customer came in just cussing sorry Firestone tires. "Iv'e had this tire fixed 5 times and it's still leaking." Sure enough when we got the tire off the rim he had 5 plugs in 5 new holes with the nail still sticking up in the middle of the plugs. A tire failure at speed from an improperly repaired tire is not worth the risk. I think that it is still the policy of the Tenn State Troopers not to run a tire that has ever been repaired just for that reason.
 
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i have used the nealey repairs and the similar strings napa sells. i have had great results and highly recommend them. the biggest reason i don't like the other repairs is the damage they do. why would you ream a 1/4 hole in a tire that had 1/8 or smaller hole from a nail. that is just plain stupid. think of the damage done to the belts and tread by it. nine of ten repairs i do are very small holes and simply don't need that hugeass plug. when i need a larger plug, i use two strings.

as for the comment above, idiots are idiots and they cannot and should not be used to say a product is bad. it is not the products fault that whoever used them didn't remove the nail.

as far as the tenn state troopers, i could really care less. i don't drive in excess of 100 mph and and don't have taxpayer money to waste. i simply can't afford to toss a perfectly good tire because i ran over a nail and with many vehicles i can't afford to pull a tire and take it to town for a simple repair i can do myself. i have done as many as 5 in a week. at 20 bucks a crack plus time you get the idea. i should restock my supply for spring come to think of it.
 
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Showkey said:
Sounds like no one here has been asked to defend a shop or technician practice in a liability case where industry standards where not followed, poor workmanship or bad judgement was the norm ........and some one got seriously injured.
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This...all this.

As I said earlier, if I was a shop owner or a tech choosing how to do repairs for payment, I would only be doing RMA-approved repairs for this reason.

In the past I worked in tire shops that used both plugs and the proper patch/plug. Now, there's no way I would install a plug in a professional setting. Plugs can and do work, but they aren't the best type of repair and people need to understand that and the limitations of a plug.

The tire manufacturers -through the industry group the RMA- have said patch/plugs are how tires should be repaired.
 
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Scout3918 said:
around here shops wont patch tires due to liability.
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Do you mean they will not repair any tires at all or they won't use certain types of repairs?

A plug alone or a patch alone are not RMA approved, so lots of shops won't do just a patch or a plug. However, I've personally never been to a tire shop that refuses to do any tire repairs. All the shops I've been to in recent years use the proper patch/plug.

We just got Discount Tire in my area and they fix tires for free as a way to get customers in the door and maybe buying a new tire if their tire isn't repairable. I've had DT repair several punctures for me and they always used the proper patch/plug. They're my go-to place to buy tires now.
 
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EVERYONE patches tires for free around here......

I haven't heard of a shop charging for it, in years...and they don't care if you didn't purchase it there, nor if it's "their" brand.

I wan't to know for myself....I live out in the country....their not always open when it's convenient......and if I take my truck in the woods, and I need to patch a hole.

A very informative thread!

Thanks Everyone for the feedback! ;)
 
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My 1999 Plymouth Prowler came with run flats. Low mileage car and removed them because of age.
I bought a set of Falken regular tires and improved the ride of the car. That same summer I had a flat backing out of my driveway. I plugged it right on the car, sometimes I use a drill to open the hole up instead of using the rasp that comes with the kits. Prowhere have virtually no trunk and run two different size wide tires. I carry a little air compressor and a plug kit. If that won't fix it along the road I would call a wrecker.
 
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At the last shop I worked at we patched every tire that came in and used Xtra seal patches glue and bead sealer. Sand down the inside of the tire spray it down with brake cleaner put some glue on put the patch on and roll it down then put bead sealer over it I don't know if that's actually the right way but its what I was taught and it worked. In the winter we would use a heat gun on the tire for 5 or 10 seconds before putting the glue to warm up the tire and get the glue to dry faster. At the shop I work at now we plug them and I have the black jack tire plug kit and i love it it works great.
 
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Every tire I have plugged, I found a nail in first. I figure the soft plug is safer than driving around with the nail in the tire...

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vettex2 said:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002I52RG0/?tag=atomicindus08-20

http://www.tirerepairkit.com/whichkit.htm

reading is fundamental
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I'll give one the blow-molded case, but that's no surprise. The devices are popular and largely standard in dimensions.

More importantly, the item that Safety Seal developed in-house; the very item that gave them their purpose, is absent. Likewise, Safety Seal products are manufactured right here in the USA, and always have been.

Neither of your two offerings is comparable.
 
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No. It makes a point.
It's not the tool that makes the repair.
It's the man knowing how to wield the tool that makes the repair.

One year we whupped on Bill McAnally Racing at Altamont and won the Late Model championship using a 5 gallon bucket as a toolbox and a 20' trailer.
We did it to prove a point.

They had war wagons, an 18 wheeler 12-15 guys and $$$$$$$.

The man makes the difference more than the tool used.

I can make just about any repair out of my dirt bike tool box that I can do with my shop tools.
It just takes longer.
The repair will be just as good too.
 
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bushmechanic

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vettex2 said:
No. It makes a point.
It's not the tool that makes the repair.
It's the man knowing how to wield the tool that makes the repair.

One year we whupped on Bill McAnally Racing at Altamont and won the Late Model championship using a 5 gallon bucket as a toolbox and a 20' trailer.
We did it to prove a point.

They had war wagons, an 18 wheeler 12-15 guys and $$$$$$$.

The man makes the difference more than the tool used.

I can make just about any repair out of my dirt bike tool box that I can do with my shop tools.
It just takes longer.
The repair will be just as good too.
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Wherever have you managed to get the idea that I would suggest otherwise?

It's still a logical side-step.
 
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SMKS said:
I used to work in a tire shop and I've personally repaired hundreds of tires.

I don't think anyone in this thread has mentioned the proper type of repair, a patch/plug. That's the only type of repair that's RMA approved.

Plugs alone or patches alone are not approved repairs by the RMA.

https://rma.org/sites/default/files/prp_wallchart1111_0.pdf

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If you are going to plug, I recommend Safety Seal brand. However, it's not the best type of repair and if I was a shop owner I'd only be doing RMA approved repairs.

Here's a simpler type of patch/plug that's quicker and easier but still meets the guidelines.
http://www.safetyseal.com/safetysealplus.php

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This is how I was trained and the procedure I have to follow at work.
 
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