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Or to illustrate it with "the lever points the way you want the fastener to go", although the fastener rotates, not going a direction:

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I can understand a design making the lever work a certain direction. But, I can't understand explaining it exactly backwards of how it is.
 
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@Kilgore Trout and @cargar I'm just as excited to get these out to people who appreciate awesome tools!

Probably better for me that's its going to be a little late, it should avoid the international Christmas shipping black hole of doom which everything I order which is valuable gets stuck in.
Cheap stuff always makes it through just fine.
That is one positive thing about it - hopefully going to England, it can avoid some of the madness.
 
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I don't understand this comment, or rather the reasoning behind it. When I want the fastener to turn clockwise, I push the switch clockwise. Makes all the sense in the world. Other than the design of the mechanism is such that you have to make the design backwards, I don't understand why any manufacturer makes the backwards design. I would really like to like my Koken ratchet. Nice design, great workmanship, cheaper than Snap-on. But, the backwards selection lever makes it stay in the toolbox, shiny and new while the others get used. I only have two ratchets I use that are backwards, and that is because they're so good they're worth having to adjust the direction twice every time you use them. Those are old Indestro fine tooth flex heads, that have perfect balance and dimensions in 1/2" drive, better than any others I own or have used.

Nice ratchet, and I don't see the cost as a deal killer. For the low back drag and light weight and attention to detail, it certainly seems worth it for some applications, or just to have something really nice. If I could only overlook the selector lever direction design defect!

Here's a picture illustrating moving the lever in the direction you want the fastener to turn:

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In the picture, your direction switch isn't "aiming/pointing" in the direction of rotation...If I look at it, it just seems opposite of what it should be. I tend to think about the selector as pointer, I guess.

I honestly never think about it, I usually just test to see which way it's set once I'm on the fastener. I can understand why it matters to some guys though. If I was a flat-rate guy, I would probably be pissed at using mixed switch conventions, when time is money. All those fractions of a second to flip the switch do add up eventually.

To me, I use whichever ratchet works best regardless. If I need the 90 teeth stubby flex head to reach between the rear tire and the exhaust on my bike, I go for 1 ratchet.

In really tight areas with fasteners that have long threads, I'll use my own 1/4 drive ratchet because the backdrag is so low, the fasteners can be fully backed out without using my hands which barely fit. Or just because it's fun to use!

To me, there's no right or wrong - it's just more of what you're used to.

Nice ratchet, and I don't see the cost as a deal killer. For the low back drag and light weight and attention to detail, it certainly seems worth it for some applications, or just to have something really nice. If I could only overlook the selector lever direction design defect!
I appreciate that brother! I'm a ratchet guy, so a lot of consideration has gone into making it the best I possibly could.
 

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I haven't read past the first few posts. But I must admit being confused when I looked at the date of the OP. I was expecting April 1.

But at least there was truth in advertising: completely unnecessary and overengineered. So that's cool.
 
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What's the new delivery time estimate on these?
These will begin shipping out the end of next week.

You're a really patient guy not seeing the 2 updates sent out! Your email wasn't entered when ordering (understandably), so you weren't on the email list.

I just sent you the update emails (with progress pics and technical details). Some of the information I'd like to keep off-line for the time being.
 
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A few pics from the latest update on New Year's Day:

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Excuse the mess and scotch brite dust - it was a rush to get the very last few orders from the presale finished up before PVD coating. These ratchets are very much a hand finished, custom tool.

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So are all of these basically one run and done?
We're waiting to see how they're received before planning another run (of 1/4" drive at least).

Unless more of the process is brought in-house, these will continue to be more of a bespoke, preorder tool. The demand for these is never going to be Snap-On F80 numbers, that's for sure lol. If you know an affordable forge, let me know!

There's a bunch of nutty ideas lined up, but it all depends what guys think of this 1st run before any plans for a larger production are made.
 

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These will begin shipping out the end of next week.

You're a really patient guy not seeing the 2 updates sent out! Your email wasn't entered when ordering (understandably), so you weren't on the email list.

I just sent you the update emails (with progress pics and technical details). Some of the information I'd like to keep off-line for the time being.
I've been on both ends of the custom products market, Most of them in Titanium.
Delays are always expected.
Thanks for the update.
 
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Depends on customs holds and paying the duty and VAT on it.
Sounds like there's even more people with their hands out in the UK! Hopefully it escapes customs without issue...

Glad to see these are shipping out. Can't wait to get that magic email that mine is on the way!
You're not the only one! It's been a long wait (and process) - people are probably beginning to think I ran off with the money lol. There are actually 4 ratchets going out to VA tomorrow but not sure if they're yours or not.
 
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Well I have the ratchet.

It makes a Koken Zeal 1/4" fell like it has high back drag.

Seriously it weighs almost nothing and is a smooth as they get.
I think it might be the nicest hand tool I own.
@dutchgray thanks brother! That's a hell of a compliment with the Koken comparison, they make a great ratchet (one of my favorites, honestly).

We used Koken and some of the other ratchets below to benchmark against during development.


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In a few categories, we do think ours is better than even the established premium brands. To be fair, Koken's mechanism is very compact and smooth, but their peak back drag is higher than ours. Measured with a Tohnichi torque meter.


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And not to waste a good opportunity for more ratchet pics:

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These are really smooth with very little back drag. Looks great too.
 

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Beautiful thing, indeed. The direction switch lever is great for bare hands. Thin PU working gloves may not like it. Looks like it could wear out the fingertips pretty quick. Minor criticism.
 

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GRRRRRRRRR Why did I click on this thread?
An E-bay auction of some old childhood toys is looking like it will exceed expectations. Can't let that easy money burn a hole in my pocket, can I?
 
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Beautiful thing, indeed. The direction switch lever is great for bare hands. Thin PU working gloves may not like it. Looks like it could wear out the fingertips pretty quick. Minor criticism.
Thanks brother! The positives of that knurled switch outweigh the negatives, I think at least. I wear out 5 mil nitrile gloves way too quickly even without the knurling...
 

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Just an observation, from across the pond, but I’m starting to form the view that lightweight tools may well be the next big thing. Not, in any way as replacements for existing ones, but rather as additional tools for folks who need to be mobile.

I can think of very few people, say 20 or 30 years ago, who carried a lot of tools with them, but I can think of any number now who work out of backpacks or shoulder bags. Add to that the mobile service techs who want to work from a small vehicle, or the guys who need to travel by air, and it’s getting to be a lot.

Very few manufacturers address this need. Asahi, with their “lightool” range do to a degree
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but both makers use conventional materials, and are only slightly lighter than their standard equivalents.

In the meantime, folks buy sets such as the Wera, a fair number of who do so because of the overall light weight, even though the tiny bit ratchet with adaptor is far from optimum for driving sockets.
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I watch events with interest. My only comment to the O.P. is to continue what you are doing. Projects such as this are invariably slow to get moving in the early stages, but provided the product is good (and I think yours probably is) sales will gather momentum as word spreads.

Ignore any negativity. A lot it will come from people who’ve never bought a costly / niche tool in their lives, and what they think doesn’t matter as they are not your customer base.

Keep your quality high, keep your paying customers happy, and all will come good!
 
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Just an observation, from across the pond, but I’m starting to form the view that lightweight tools may well be the next big thing. Not, in any way as replacements for existing ones, but rather as additional tools for folks who need to be mobile.

I can think of very few people, say 20 or 30 years ago, who carried a lot of tools with them, but I can think of any number now who work out of backpacks or shoulder bags. Add to that the mobile service techs who want to work from a small vehicle, or the guys who need to travel by air, and it’s getting to be a lot.

Very few manufacturers address this need. Asahi, with their “lightool” range do to a degree
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and I will be interested to see where KTC go with their “Next” concept, which I hope will evolve into a complete range7AE54DDA-1AAA-4A9F-95A2-7A4229D1B7D9.jpeg
but both makers use conventional materials, and are only slightly lighter than their standard equivalents.

In the meantime, folks buy sets such as the Wera, a fair number of who do so because of the overall light weight, even tough the tiny bit ratchet with adaptor is far from optimum for driving sockets.
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I watch events with interest. My only comment to the O.P. is to continue what you are doing. Projects such as this are invariably slow to get moving in the early stages, but provided the product is good (and I think yours probably is) sales will gather momentum as word spreads.

Ignore any negativity. A lot it will come from people who’ve never bought a costly / niche tool in their lives, and what they think doesn’t matter as they are not your customer base.

Keep your quality high, keep your paying customers happy, and all will come good!


I have to agree.

I think “expeditionary” will become even more important with the degradation of the skills of the labor pool that is ongoing.

I have ended up with 7 portable tool boxes trying to find the perfect solution to this “problem” and the balance between too many tools and not enough in a portable package.
Weight and maneuverability is a major factor.

Light is right.
 
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@Dave455 thanks for the feedback! You have great taste in tools, and I hold your opinion in high regard.

There are a few "lightweight" options on the market, but nothing that goes to the extremes needed to make a real impact. Our Titanium ratchet is about HALF the mass of a normal ratchet. This is absolutely meaningful for some people.

It means you can either bring more tools, other equipment or just have half the weight to lug around.

From an old post of mine showing the point (early Aluminum 3/8" drive prototype):

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Weight and maneuverability is a major factor.

Light is right.
I agree!
 

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@Dave455 thanks for the feedback! You have great taste in tools, and I hold your opinion in high regard.

There are a few "lightweight" options on the market, but nothing that goes to the extremes needed to make a real impact. Our Titanium ratchet is about HALF the mass of a normal ratchet. This is absolutely meaningful for some people.

It means you can either bring more tools, other equipment or just have half the weight to lug around.

From an old post of mine showing the point (early Aluminum 3/8" drive prototype):

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I agree!
Oh man that's another nice one. Any plans on some type of 3/8 drive ratchet in Ti or other?
 

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I just opened my delivery today. I don't even know what to say. Ordered one for myself and one as a ride kit gift for a friend who collects Ducati racing motorcycles. It's ridiculously perfect. Part of me wants to frame it and part of me wants to use it daily. I will probably laugh every time I use it. The foam insert and Pelican-style case was unexpected and just makes it more insane. Definitely the most enjoyment/entertainment value I have ever received for money spent on a tool. For some reason the hollow handle was the biggest surprise. It's equally art and function.
 
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I just opened my delivery today. I don't even know what to say. Ordered one for myself and one as a ride kit gift for a friend who collects Ducati racing motorcycles. It's ridiculously perfect. Part of me wants to frame it and part of me wants to use it daily. I will probably laugh every time I use it. The foam insert and Pelican-style case was unexpected and just makes it more insane. Definitely the most enjoyment/entertainment value I have ever received for money spent on a tool. For some reason the hollow handle was the biggest surprise. It's equally art and function.
@Formerjeeper Man, what an awesome review/first impression. I really appreciate you taking time out of your day to post that up - it does mean a lot for a (super) small business...

The foam insert and Pelican-style case was unexpected and just makes it more insane.
That's what I was going for with that!
 
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teagueo

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Oh man that's another nice one. Any plans on some type of 3/8 drive ratchet in Ti or other?
We have several 3/8" drive flex-head and fixed head ratchets (both full Titanium) but haven't planned a production run yet.
 
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