TK's garage build 1
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oldcarfart
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Kapt said:To shingle the roof I used a technique I found in Fine Homebuilding magazine for steep pitched roofs. You start at the top and work down. Actually, you start about ten courses down from the top and shingle up to the ridge and then you start again ten courses down from the section you just completed and work your way up again. It's much safer and easier on your back because all the work is in front of you on the upslope. The only drawback is that the measurements must be accurate or you'll wind up with a partial shingle at the bottom. I was very happy to finally get it under roof.
The windows, all eight of them, went in without any trouble. I bought these from Lowes because my local lumber yards couldn't get anywhere close to the price.
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For the trim I decided to spend the extra money on AZEK pvc trim. The total cost was about $2000.00 vs $800.00 for #2 pine. Ten years from now when I'm not painting it I'll thank myself. Overall, I was pretty happy with it, but for extra measure I glued and screwed the corners.
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Hanging 18' long 5/4 x 8" pieces of AZEK by myself required a little fabrication.
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The only thing I would do differently is I wouldn't use AZEK for the crown molding. It's way too flimsy and it looks slightly scalloped when it's nailed in. For the soffits, I used AC plywood and just painted it white to match the AZEK. 4 x 8 sheets of AZEK are way too expensive in my opinion.
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Trim and windows are done, time for the siding.
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I decided to use primed hardiplank with the 7" reveal and wood grain. It cut easily (wear a good mask) and went up easily with my nail gun shooting stainless nails. Total cost (including paint) for the siding was about $1100.00. The only part that took some finesse was the caulking. I found a product made by DAP called Sidewinder, about $6.00/tube that worked great. It's about as difficult to use as 100% silicone, but it's paintable. And it meets the ASTM requirement that the hardiplank instructions call for.
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Here it is painted. It takes paint very well.
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Some insided pics:
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Before I broke my ankle, I was in the process of grading the inside for my slab and radiant floor heat. That's a pick axe and shovel in the backround, yes I'm a glutton for punishment. Now I have six weeks off.
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Very Impressive!!!! I also like hardiplank and use an antique asbestos shingle cutter as a plank shear (3' handle extension <grin>) I bought mine at a swap meet for $10.00, I have seen them on ebay for $25-$40. Very neat shear cut and no dust. Lowe's also has a plastic "hangar" for installing hardi-plank.
Raven1911
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Kapt - Am I correct when you say you had no experience before building this garage??? If so, WOW! It has turned out beautiful! I know you recommended one book, but what did you read to learn how to do all that stuff? I would love to just KNOW how to build something like that let alone actually build one! Let me know what you would recommend when it comes to literature or books on the subject. I will probably start out with a building a small shed first
Raven1911 said:Kapt - Am I correct when you say you had no experience before building this garage??? If so, WOW! It has turned out beautiful! I know you recommended one book, but what did you read to learn how to do all that stuff? I would love to just KNOW how to build something like that let alone actually build one! Let me know what you would recommend when it comes to literature or books on the subject. I will probably start out with a building a small shed first
Thanks for the nice words Raven1911. Most of the experience I have comes from buying an old house that needed lots of work, although nothing structural. I use to subscribe to Fine Homebuilding magazine, an excellent resource, and I have always watched the home restoration/construction TV shows like This Old House and Hometime. But I would say the best resource I had when it came time to build was without a doubt the internet, especially sites like this one.
I agree that starting out small, like with a shed is a good idea. It's what I did, and here is a pic.
Just remember, it's not brain surgery.
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I haven't posted in a while, so here are a few updates. I just got my final inspection done so the next step is to get an electrical permit and run some wire.
Here are some pics of my slab/slab prep. If I ever do this again, I will pour the slab first instead of saving it until the structure is up. Here is 4 inches of #57 stone that I ran a plate compactor over. It didn't compress much, it just made the stones fit together well.
Over the stone is a vapor barrier and 2" of Dow Scoreboard.
Instead of wire mesh, I decided to go with #4 rebar on a 24" grid sitting on rebar chairs.
I put the rebar on chairs because I wanted the tubing and rebar to wind up in tthe middle of the 6" slab. It didn't quite work out this way. When the concrete crew poured my slab, it was a bit chaotic. They tried there best not to step on the rebar/tubing, but alot of the chairs got crushed in the process so they wound up pulling the rebar up into the slab anyway.
The concrete had to be pumped 170 feet to my backyard using a trailor pump. The small garage at the end of my driveway is now a drive thru garage to access my new garage. You can never have too many garages.
Here's my door that retracts into the roofline. It took me almost two days of trial and error before I finally got it right. The other door is considered a high lift door because it's raised an additional 8" before it goes horizontal. That one was even more of a PITA.
Pull down stairs to access the loft area. The other bay will eventually have a lift.
Here are some pics of my slab/slab prep. If I ever do this again, I will pour the slab first instead of saving it until the structure is up. Here is 4 inches of #57 stone that I ran a plate compactor over. It didn't compress much, it just made the stones fit together well.
Over the stone is a vapor barrier and 2" of Dow Scoreboard.
Instead of wire mesh, I decided to go with #4 rebar on a 24" grid sitting on rebar chairs.
I put the rebar on chairs because I wanted the tubing and rebar to wind up in tthe middle of the 6" slab. It didn't quite work out this way. When the concrete crew poured my slab, it was a bit chaotic. They tried there best not to step on the rebar/tubing, but alot of the chairs got crushed in the process so they wound up pulling the rebar up into the slab anyway.
The concrete had to be pumped 170 feet to my backyard using a trailor pump. The small garage at the end of my driveway is now a drive thru garage to access my new garage. You can never have too many garages.
Here's my door that retracts into the roofline. It took me almost two days of trial and error before I finally got it right. The other door is considered a high lift door because it's raised an additional 8" before it goes horizontal. That one was even more of a PITA.
Pull down stairs to access the loft area. The other bay will eventually have a lift.
IDASHO
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Awesome build! 
shocksystems
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What an awesome garage. You did great work. The finished product looks excellent.
Cheers!
Jim
Cheers!
Jim
V-10 Killer
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Agreed, excellent job, and thanks for the great pics. I had been looking for close-ups of hip roofs like this so I could figure out the "right" way to frame them in. This one helped a lot.
curlyws6
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Awesome build!
A few more updates. My garage is finally usable because I finished my driveway. There was a big mound of dirt between the two garages that had to be removed, and about a foot of dirt needed to be excavated for the paver driveway. My existing one car garage is now a drive-through garage to the new two car.
Here's the mound of dirt I needed to remove between the garages. It required three full dumpsters, including the excavated dirt for the pavers.
I cut out the back wall of my existing garage for the new door.
After the excavation I used this handy tool for compacting the mostly clay soil.
Next was building the retaining and decorative walls to visually tie the two garages together.
I required about 8" of a crushed rock base for the pavers, so I had 55 tons of rock delivered. I put it down in three layers with a plate compactor compaction between layers.
Here's the first load, 17 tons. This is one full size dump truck load.
After the stone, I put down an inch of bedding sand to rest the pavers on. Once the pavers are down, they get the plate compactor treatment.
Nobody seems to rent a compactor with a protective rubber fitting for the bottom of the plate. I didn't want to scratch my pavers so I used an old door mat. It worked well.
Once the pavers are down, a special polymeric sand gets swept and vibrated in between the joints. For those considering pavers, be prepared for a ton of work. I was able to do it for about $6.00 per sq foot for materials only. This includes all the base stone, pavers, sand, dirt removal and rentals. I'm told that to have it done in my area is between $15-20 per sq foot.
Here's the mound of dirt I needed to remove between the garages. It required three full dumpsters, including the excavated dirt for the pavers.
I cut out the back wall of my existing garage for the new door.
After the excavation I used this handy tool for compacting the mostly clay soil.
Next was building the retaining and decorative walls to visually tie the two garages together.
I required about 8" of a crushed rock base for the pavers, so I had 55 tons of rock delivered. I put it down in three layers with a plate compactor compaction between layers.
Here's the first load, 17 tons. This is one full size dump truck load.
After the stone, I put down an inch of bedding sand to rest the pavers on. Once the pavers are down, they get the plate compactor treatment.
Nobody seems to rent a compactor with a protective rubber fitting for the bottom of the plate. I didn't want to scratch my pavers so I used an old door mat. It worked well.
Once the pavers are down, a special polymeric sand gets swept and vibrated in between the joints. For those considering pavers, be prepared for a ton of work. I was able to do it for about $6.00 per sq foot for materials only. This includes all the base stone, pavers, sand, dirt removal and rentals. I'm told that to have it done in my area is between $15-20 per sq foot.
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I also completed the electrics to the new garage. I upgraded my house panel first to 200 amps so I could run 100 amps out to the garage.
Here's my old 100 amp house panel.
My new house panel.
My 120' long hand dug trench.
And my new garage panel.
I still have to do insulation, drywall and the final hook up of the radiant floor heat.
Here's my old 100 amp house panel.
My new house panel.
My 120' long hand dug trench.
And my new garage panel.
I still have to do insulation, drywall and the final hook up of the radiant floor heat.
IDASHO
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Awesome job with the wall and blocks 
nebben
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Hand dug trench, doing the pavers yourself...wow.
Thanks to you doing all this yourself, now I don't feel so different for wanting to DIY mine too! I'll have to see if my equipment rental place is a 15 minute walk too, and whether or not I could drive a bobcat that distance
Excellent work!
Thanks to you doing all this yourself, now I don't feel so different for wanting to DIY mine too! I'll have to see if my equipment rental place is a 15 minute walk too, and whether or not I could drive a bobcat that distance
Excellent work!
PAToyota
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Holy ****! You paid dumpster fees to remove dirt? I'd have either put an ad on CraigsList and had someone pay me for the dirt or turned it into raised planting beds somewhere.
thetastelingers
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I love your build.
The pavers are beautiful.
Awesome job!!!
The pavers are beautiful.
Awesome job!!!
It's #2 AWG copper with #8 AWG ground.
firstyearta
Member
WOW!!! I just looked though your project and I am very impressed. You surly have a good eye for design and that driveway doubles the appeal. I agree with others that this is a very well thought out project. Congrats.
My thoughts exactly until I went on Craigslist for the DC area and found that everyone needs dirt removed. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, but most of the places that needed dirt were far away and no one wanted to come this far to remove it. I wasn't happy about this unplanned expense.
cbaileyau
New member
Kapt, what an awesome garage! I really like the design and think it turned out excellent.
For the drive through garage, are you going to have a door on both ends? Will they open simultaneouly with the remote? Its a great solution to getting to the new garage. I'm glad you didn't tear it down just to make it easier to get materials back there. Sounds like you paid for it in manual labor. I think it was worth it though.
For the drive through garage, are you going to have a door on both ends? Will they open simultaneouly with the remote? Its a great solution to getting to the new garage. I'm glad you didn't tear it down just to make it easier to get materials back there. Sounds like you paid for it in manual labor. I think it was worth it though.
dipper
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Excellent build. You are a true craftsman. The pavers turned out great as well.
I am going to do a smaller walkway from my driveway into the garage side door as
well.
I am going to do a smaller walkway from my driveway into the garage side door as
well.
PAToyota
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Hmmm... Around here you pay $250 and up for them to bring a truckload in...
Bib Overalls
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Impressive. Looking forward to seeing progress pictures as you finish up inside.
HOTFR8
Banned
A lot of hard work there but I am sure you are 100% happy with the outcome. That landscaping work and driveway sure looks good.
e-tek
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You really have an eye for asthetics in the building and the yard. It's picture perfect, as well as how the drive turned out - thanks for the post, even my wife liked it!
Yes, there is a door at both ends. Each remote control (Craftsman) has three buttons on it that control three separate doors. I don't have them rigged to open simultaneously. It's reminds me of the beginning of the old Get Smart TV show when he has to pass through all the secret doors.
LOL... Nice visual!
Seriously though, the garage and paver driveway look fantastic. Very nice work!
The solution to your electrical service is pretty much what I am being forced to do. I wanted to run 200 amp service to both the house and garage, but our electric is all underground and would require that the street be torn up in order to do that. The electrician on the project suggested remapping the service in our house and sending up to 100 amps out to the garage... Which appears to be exactly what you did.
Now if I can only get the electric company to give their approval to move the service line so I can get this garage started...
Regards,
Stan
HAHA I know i would of love to have that dirt for my brothers and I company. But Thats a good job on the pavers, and i know how you feel I do it everyday of my life haha if you ever have problems with the pavers send me a PM and i can probly help. or just visit our website http://www.creativestonescapes.com
and you can go from there and we are in vienna VA so i coudl always take a ride up
Bevis
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Like the paver drive.
Oh well, I guess I should have advertised free dirt on this board. Never thought of that.
boiler7904
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Your garage looks great. What's the plan for finishing the interior?
I'm in the process of starting a paver patio with small seating wall at my house. Do you have any advice or lessons learned that would make life easier? I'm going to try your doormat trick on the compactor when I get to that point.
I'm in the process of starting a paver patio with small seating wall at my house. Do you have any advice or lessons learned that would make life easier? I'm going to try your doormat trick on the compactor when I get to that point.
HiHoSilver
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very nice,
big projec to take on alone, but just think of the money you save on labor and you can rest knowing it is done right.
big projec to take on alone, but just think of the money you save on labor and you can rest knowing it is done right.
captainkeys
Member
That's an incredible job! You are a true craftsman, I've done alot of paver work in my backyard with all kinds of retaining walls so I know exactly how you back must feel.
I was just wondering how you handled the drainage off of the driveway, unless it's pitched a certain way (can't tell from the photos) it seems like it would go into the thru garage.
I was just wondering how you handled the drainage off of the driveway, unless it's pitched a certain way (can't tell from the photos) it seems like it would go into the thru garage.