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I've been meaning to post some pics of my garage in progress for some time, but since I broke my ankle on the ski slope last Friday, I now have the time.

I started this project this past April after doing alot of homework. I'm not in the construction business so this project has been a big challenge for me and alot of fun. Thanks to all for the great advice I've received from this site.

The garage is 24 X 26 with two bays, one has a cathedral ceiling for a future lift and the other bay has a loft. The only part I will contract out is the slab. I drew my own plans but they were rejected by the county because of the cathedral ceiling. The inspector said I needed an engineering stamp of approval because of a site built king truss to support the ceiling. A $150.00 later for the stamp and I was in business. He let me slide on fact that I drew my plans in metric.



Here's the site, the back corner of my property with only a 5' setback from the property line. My house was built in 1940, so the old setbacks still applied, although I gave myself a 6" buffer.

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I must of measured my layout lines a hundred times before I was satisfied that it was square. The advantage of never having done this before is paranoia makes you very careful.

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This little toy was fun. I live about a 15 minute walk from the rental place, so I convinced them that I could drive this mini excavator to my house instead of paying the $160.00 delivery charge. I didn't know that it only went like one mile per hour, so 1+45 later I finally made it home.

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I got tired of my trenches filling with water.

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My inspector didn't require rebar for the footers, but for another $100.00 in materials I figured it was cheap insurance.

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Couldn't have done it without this tool. The laser level was just too expensive and renting one was out of the question because of how much I used it.

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I don't have access to my backyard for a concrete truck, so I rented a Georgia Buggy for the footers. My friend John drove it while I raked the concrete.

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My footers wound up bigger than my plans called for because I was not that precise with the mini excavator and after the walls caved in after a torrential rain I had to dig them out again by hand. I was not a happy camper. Notice the story poles I made for the concrete block.

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These were delivered to my front yard and were all moved by hand/wheelbarrow to the backyard. PITA, but a good workout nevertheless.

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Laying the block was fairly easy. Not to brag or anything, but when I was done I got it within 1/4" square and level. Again, paranoia makes you careful.

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I parged and sealed the outside of the block, although my inspector said it wasn't required since I had no basement or crawl space. But I had to do something with the leftover mortar. By the way, next time I will use straps instead of bolts to tie the foundation to the framing. It was a PITA to lift the walls over top of these bolts by myself.

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My lumber arrives, all $3800.00 worth and all bought from my local non big box lumber yard. Interestingly, all the lumber had product of Austria stamped on it.
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I transferred the expensive pieces into my existing one car garage, which made it a little tight in there. Those are 2x10-16' for the rafters next to my old 535is.

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The framing starts. Here I learned you shouldn't put a non galvanized nail through pressure treated lumber.

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The second floor starts. Yes, I have a pole in the middle of my garage and due to a very long explanation it was a compromise I had to make.

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Here is a built up beam made of 3 LVL's that I later had to disassemble to install because it was too heavy to lift on my own. You'd think I have no friends, but most of them work weekdays and I mostly work weekends. The reason this is bolted is because the load is primarly from the side (joist hangars) and nails are not strong enough according to the instructions that came with the LVL.

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Here it is installed. Notice the strap ties on top because of the tension force created by the roof. The floor for my loft is 3/4" tongue and groove glued and nailed. I bought a great book called Residential Structure & Framing that explain in laymans terms all of these forces. It's only about $35.00 and a great read if you don't have much experience with this (like me).

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This part made me nervous, cutting rafters. I read this article in Fine Homebuilding magazine that explained it very well, so it wasn't so bad. The jig they suggested made it almost easy. By the way, it's 9/12 pitch.

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Here's the jig.

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I decided to cut the rafter tails last just in case the wall wasn't straight. I had to cut the last part by hand because the wall got in the way of my circular saw. Forty some rafter tails later my arm was sore.

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The roof sheathing goes up. Notice my house in the backround with its original roof from 1940 (slate). I priced slate for my garage - no way.

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Here is part of the King Truss that holds up one end of the ridge beam. The tension force on this triangle is something like 2000# on each corner where the double rafter connects to the floor joist. Those are 1/2" bolts for the connections instead of nails. Because of these trusses (one on either end of the ridge beam) I don't need vertical posts holding up the ridge beam. By the way, I took this design right out of the book I mentioned earlier.

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The other end of the ridge beam with its King Truss. No post required.

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Here is the cathedral side LVL with ridge vent cutout.

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My non slate shingles arrive and yes, I had to move them from the front yard to the back and then on to the roof. I lost ten pounds this summer.

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Very impressive, indeed.

I prefer the bolts in the foundation. Much stronger and hold tighter. Worth the extra effort to get the wall on the bolts.

We'll need some more picts of that 535is in the garage, too.
 

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Very cool build, how do you plan on getting up to the loft area? I'm going to use attic stairs on mine. Wish I had room to go that little bit larger in mine, that'll be a nice size.
 
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To shingle the roof I used a technique I found in Fine Homebuilding magazine for steep pitched roofs. You start at the top and work down. Actually, you start about ten courses down from the top and shingle up to the ridge and then you start again ten courses down from the section you just completed and work your way up again. It's much safer and easier on your back because all the work is in front of you on the upslope. The only drawback is that the measurements must be accurate or you'll wind up with a partial shingle at the bottom. I was very happy to finally get it under roof.

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The windows, all eight of them, went in without any trouble. I bought these from Lowes because my local lumber yards couldn't get anywhere close to the price.

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For the trim I decided to spend the extra money on AZEK pvc trim. The total cost was about $2000.00 vs $800.00 for #2 pine. Ten years from now when I'm not painting it I'll thank myself. Overall, I was pretty happy with it, but for extra measure I glued and screwed the corners.

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Hanging 18' long 5/4 x 8" pieces of AZEK by myself required a little fabrication.

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The only thing I would do differently is I wouldn't use AZEK for the crown molding. It's way too flimsy and it looks slightly scalloped when it's nailed in. For the soffits, I used AC plywood and just painted it white to match the AZEK. 4 x 8 sheets of AZEK are way too expensive in my opinion.

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Trim and windows are done, time for the siding.

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I decided to use primed hardiplank with the 7" reveal and wood grain. It cut easily (wear a good mask) and went up easily with my nail gun shooting stainless nails. Total cost (including paint) for the siding was about $1100.00. The only part that took some finesse was the caulking. I found a product made by DAP called Sidewinder, about $6.00/tube that worked great. It's about as difficult to use as 100% silicone, but it's paintable. And it meets the ASTM requirement that the hardiplank instructions call for.

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Here it is painted. It takes paint very well.

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Some insided pics:

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Before I broke my ankle, I was in the process of grading the inside for my slab and radiant floor heat. That's a pick axe and shovel in the backround, yes I'm a glutton for punishment. Now I have six weeks off.

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JMURiz said:
Very cool build, how do you plan on getting up to the loft area? I'm going to use attic stairs on mine. Wish I had room to go that little bit larger in mine, that'll be a nice size.

I'm also planning on attic stairs initially, but will eventually go with permanent stairs when I get a feel for the layout I want.
 
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Very impressive, indeed.

I prefer the bolts in the foundation. Much stronger and hold tighter. Worth the extra effort to get the wall on the bolts.

We'll need some more picts of that 535is in the garage, too.


Thanks BMWPower.
This is a 1988 535is that I've rebuilt over the years, and is now my daily driver. With roof racks and a sheet of plywood, it is also my pickup truck.
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I decided to cut the rafter tails last just in case the wall wasn't straight. I had to cut the last part by hand because the wall got in the way of my circular saw. Forty some rafter tails later my arm was sore.

Why the heck didn't you go buy a reciprocating saw? There was a time in my life where I didn't own a sawzall. How I survived is beyone me... :D

This is a great looking place. Definitely something like the way I'd go if I were building. The overhead storage on one side gives you a place to store bulky doors & hoods off of project vehicles... and you can still install a lift as well.

Two things:

1) Be very careful on properly positioning the lift. Lets assume you have a vehicle like an extended-cab pickup. If you place the lift so that the tailgate of the pickup is barely inside the door when you set the feet under it... you won't be able to lift it very far. The top of the tailgate will hit the ceiling partway up. A long SUV would be even worse, since the roofline at the back is higher. Put a lot of thought into where the lift goes... remembering also that you usually lift vehicles with the hood open, to let extra light in up front. I know someone whose buddy has to hold the hood 2/3 closed with a bungee so that it won't hit the ceiling.

Put simply, you need to be able to have a LOOONG vehicle spaced eqaully between the front and rear walls... and still be able to reach all of the lift points on said vehicle with the arms on your 2-post. If you're another one of these weirdos that'll be putting in a 4-post, it's not a big deal. Just something to be aware of. If you don't plan on ever working on a fullsize truck and just bolt down the lift, you'll end up buying a fullsize truck next week. You know how Murphy works. ;)

2) On the side of the building where you DON'T have the overhead lumber in tension... what keeps the legs of the rafters together? I get how on the attic side, the attic floor is placed in tension by the force of gravity pulling downward on the peak of the roof and the rafters. Something has to be taking the place of that on the other half of the building, right?
 
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2) On the side of the building where you DON'T have the overhead lumber in tension... what keeps the legs of the rafters together? I get how on the attic side, the attic floor is placed in tension by the force of gravity pulling downward on the peak of the roof and the rafters. Something has to be taking the place of that on the other half of the building, right?
I agree, you need some collar ties to attach across the rafters to keep them from splaying out under load (from gravity and snow weight). I can't see some of the last pics so I can't tell if they are in there.

Kapt: I'm only 1/4 of the way around the beltway (Arlington, VA), we should meet up sometime.
 

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JMURiz said:
I agree, you need some collar ties to attach across the rafters to keep them from splaying out under load (from gravity and snow weight). I can't see some of the last pics so I can't tell if they are in there.

Kapt: I'm only 1/4 of the way around the beltway (Arlington, VA), we should meet up sometime.


This was a concern of mine also, but the way my structural engineer explained it to me was that on the attic side, the floor joists complete the triangle and as long as the rafter to joist connection is sufficient (6 16d nails in my case) rafter thrust is not a problem.

But on the cathedral side of the garage without floor joists to complete this triangle, you need a ridge beam to carry the load. In my case I used an LVL beam sized to carry a 30#/sq ft snow load plus a 10# dead load. I forget the exact numbers, but I think these are close. Ideally, the LVL should not deflect or sag at all, so rafter thrust is not a problem. Each side of my LVL is supported by a King Truss that I mentioned earlier. The King Truss connections have to be made with bolts instead of nails because of the much increased load at those points. The rafters in between either Truss just basically hang off the ridge beam, and since the ridge beam isn't going to deflect (theoretically) these rafters will create no thrust or splaying.

From what I understand about collar ties is that the higher up they are on the rafters, the less their structural benefit. I was told that the only benefit collar ties would have on my structure was possibly to act as spreaders because of the long rafter spans.
 
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Why the heck didn't you go buy a reciprocating saw? There was a time in my life where I didn't own a sawzall. How I survived is beyone me... :D

This is a great looking place. Definitely something like the way I'd go if I were building. The overhead storage on one side gives you a place to store bulky doors & hoods off of project vehicles... and you can still install a lift as well.

Two things:

1) Be very careful on properly positioning the lift. Lets assume you have a vehicle like an extended-cab pickup. If you place the lift so that the tailgate of the pickup is barely inside the door when you set the feet under it... you won't be able to lift it very far. The top of the tailgate will hit the ceiling partway up. A long SUV would be even worse, since the roofline at the back is higher. Put a lot of thought into where the lift goes... remembering also that you usually lift vehicles with the hood open, to let extra light in up front. I know someone whose buddy has to hold the hood 2/3 closed with a bungee so that it won't hit the ceiling.

Put simply, you need to be able to have a LOOONG vehicle spaced eqaully between the front and rear walls... and still be able to reach all of the lift points on said vehicle with the arms on your 2-post. If you're another one of these weirdos that'll be putting in a 4-post, it's not a big deal. Just something to be aware of. If you don't plan on ever working on a fullsize truck and just bolt down the lift, you'll end up buying a fullsize truck next week. You know how Murphy works. ;)

2) On the side of the building where you DON'T have the overhead lumber in tension... what keeps the legs of the rafters together? I get how on the attic side, the attic floor is placed in tension by the force of gravity pulling downward on the peak of the roof and the rafters. Something has to be taking the place of that on the other half of the building, right?


I tried the sawzall, but I couldn't get a clean/straight cut (probably poor technique). Since my soffit vents and soffit board was going to be nailed directly to the rafter tails, I wanted a straight cut to avoid the wavy soffit look.
 

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How'd you break your ankle? Hopefully not doing the roof...
 
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bmwpower said:
How'd you break your ankle? Hopefully not doing the roof...

Last run of the day while skiing. I wasn't doing anything spectacular, just a slow fall.
 

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Cool stuff, seems like it was well thought through, I'm sure you'll have no structural issues. I probably should have bolted a double rafter to my loft end as well. Guess time will tell.

BTW I can see all the pictures today, wow! I'm a big hardiplank fan myself, too cold now to paint so it'll have to wait till spring for me.
 
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JMURiz said:
Cool stuff, seems like it was well thought through, I'm sure you'll have no structural issues. I probably should have bolted a double rafter to my loft end as well. Guess time will tell.

BTW I can see all the pictures today, wow! I'm a big hardiplank fan myself, too cold now to paint so it'll have to wait till spring for me.


I used Sherwin Williams Duration paint. I like the pre-painted hardiplank but couldn't justify the extra money. I think there are about 15-20 different colors to choose from. Instead, I used the primed hardiplank and chose a color from the hardiplank color palette. Sherwin Williams has all these colors in their computer.

How much more do you have to do on your garage, JMURiz?
 
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How much more do you have to do on your garage, JMURiz?
I still have my:
- get my final building inspection (this Friday hopefully)
- electrical to do (passed electrical inspection but now it's time to fully wire)
- paint the exterior (have to wait till spring for that, too cold)
- buy/install a garage door opener
- fully do the interior (currently just framed up, so insulation, drywall etc)
 

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Great job, although I'm prejudiced: It's remarkably similar to my situation. In-town location w/tight setbacks, half-loft design, hardi-plank, Azek (I used Koma) I wanted to do exactly this treatment on my gable ends, which is how the house is designed. However when I went for approvals, apparently they calculate footprint for zoning purposes they do it from a birds-eye view, so any roof overhang at the gable meant less floorspace inside... I also wanted a steep pitch like you have but total roof height was a casualty of the approval process.

What are your plans for finishing the floor?
 

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Great job, although I'm prejudiced: It's remarkably similar to my situation. In-town location w/tight setbacks, half-loft design, hardi-plank, Azek (I used Koma) I wanted to do exactly this treatment on my gable ends, which is how the house is designed. However when I went for approvals, apparently they calculate footprint for zoning purposes they do it from a birds-eye view, so any roof overhang at the gable meant less floorspace inside... I also wanted a steep pitch like you have but total roof height was a casualty of the approval process.

What are your plans for finishing the floor?


I remember when I read your write-up a while back that it seemed very similiar to my garage as well, just much bigger. Great looking garage by the way.

My county allows a 12" overhang an all sides that's not included in the setback. Initially, I planned for a 10/12 pitch roof, but that put me over my height allowance by a few inches. I'm planning on radiant floor heat with some sort of epoxy coating for the floor.
 
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JMURiz said:
I still have my:
- get my final building inspection (this Friday hopefully)
- electrical to do (passed electrical inspection but now it's time to fully wire)
- paint the exterior (have to wait till spring for that, too cold)
- buy/install a garage door opener
- fully do the interior (currently just framed up, so insulation, drywall etc)


Did you do the wiring yourself? I have to upgrade my existing service to the house before I run anything out to the garage. I plan on doing the wiring myself, but I am still educating myself on the code.
 

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The main wiring to the garage was done with the help of my fiance's father. He's been an electrician for at least 40 years. We did the full upgrade, from the meter, interior box and out to the garage.

I can help you with my experiences and it'll probably pass code, but I'm not licensed to do so.

Once the breaker box is in, it's super easy though. Just get a good book and make sure the juice is off while working.

I got my garage electrical service permit with only the panel box and one outlet...that way everything else is future (someone told me to do that so you don't have an inspection that takes an hour etc).
 
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Looks very nice. I went the "primed then paint myself route" as well. By the pre-painted stuff is cut, put up, and caulked you have to touch up the paint and then it never matches the pre-finished stuff anyway...
 

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PAToyota said:
Looks very nice. I went the "primed then paint myself route" as well. By the pre-painted stuff is cut, put up, and caulked you have to touch up the paint and then it never matches the pre-finished stuff anyway...

This was one of my few lucky breaks on the project. I ordered a pre-finished coating, but it arrived primed. The GC complained and they offered to have it painted by a third party at their expense. At that point they didn't care whetehr it was a stock color or not so we painted it the color of the house which is what I'd have preferred in the first place. I was worried about all the touch up etc but it came out looking fine.
 

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Garage looks great. Seeing your pictures of brackets and straps to hold the other end of boards brought back lots of memories. Going into it I had no appreciation of how much you need at least 2 sets of hands to do the trim/boxing work.
 

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Last run of the day while skiing. I wasn't doing anything spectacular, just a slow fall.

When is the last time you heard of someone breaking an ankle skiing and it was *not* done on thier last run of the day? Kinda like saying "I found it in the last place I looked!!". Of course it was the last place you looked, why keep looking?

Sorry couldn't resist. Best wishes on a speedy recovery. My wife just finished recovering from breaking her ankle (on a cruise vacation visiting Domincia ~ still had a good time, she's a trooper, made me push her wheelchair all around Aruba shopping for a necklace).

Place looks great, keep up the posts!!

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This has been one of the better and most informative threads That I have read on the board.

You're step by step description and photos are second to none....

Excellent job,

two thumbs up

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very nice looking project. but im curious to why you went with the beam and joist floor system instead of an engineered floor truss to span the entire structure.
 

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rikbolen said:
very nice looking project. but im curious to why you went with the beam and joist floor system instead of an engineered floor truss to span the entire structure.


I was just about to ask the same question. That would have removed the need for the post.
 

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I was just about to ask the same question. That would have removed the need for the post.

Apparently, he had to make a compomise of sorts and the result was the post. Not sure on the details, cost maybe?
 
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rikbolen said:
very nice looking project. but im curious to why you went with the beam and joist floor system instead of an engineered floor truss to span the entire structure.


It mostly came down to the height restriction from my county. It's kinda of a long explanation, but here it goes.

Currently the bottom support for my roof rafters (birdsmouth) sit on top of my walls, the double top plate. If I went with a floor system like a TJI joist, the birdsmouth would have to sit on top of the floor system, thereby raising my roof height above the limit. With the rafter sitting on the wall plate with the TJI running along side it, I'd have to cut a little triangle out of the TJI to make it flush with the rafter. According to the TJI instructions, this triangle can only be cut a certain amount before its structural integrity is compromised, and in my case it would be cut way too much. With the rafters sitting on top of the floor system, no cutting of the TJI is required but it raises the roof the same amount of the width of the TJI joist, in my case it would have been another 14".

I could have gone with a lower pitched roof, but then the second floor loft ceiling height is reduced along with the overall aesthetic of the structure. It's like doing your taxes, you find one little receipt when you're done, and it changes all the other calculations.
 

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see i knew you had a good reason. hey, i was not questioning your judgement, by no means. i was just curious. its a damn fine looking project from start to finish and the step by step pics and replys are matched by no others on here.......good job buddy
 

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Kapt said:
It mostly came down to the height restriction from my county. It's kinda of a long explanation, but here it goes.

Currently the bottom support for my roof rafters (birdsmouth) sit on top of my walls, the double top plate. If I went with a floor system like a TJI joist, the birdsmouth would have to sit on top of the floor system, thereby raising my roof height above the limit. With the rafter sitting on the wall plate with the TJI running along side it, I'd have to cut a little triangle out of the TJI to make it flush with the rafter. According to the TJI instructions, this triangle can only be cut a certain amount before its structural integrity is compromised, and in my case it would be cut way too much. With the rafters sitting on top of the floor system, no cutting of the TJI is required but it raises the roof the same amount of the width of the TJI joist, in my case it would have been another 14".

I could have gone with a lower pitched roof, but then the second floor loft ceiling height is reduced along with the overall aesthetic of the structure. It's like doing your taxes, you find one little receipt when you're done, and it changes all the other calculations.
Wouldn't an engineered attic/storage truss have worked in the same fashion as joists and a beam without raising the overall height? This is what I went with to eliminate the post or an expesive piece of steel I beam in my garage. I ended up with a room upstairs and an 8/12 pitch. Plus the added benifit of not having to stick build the second story. Just sheet it, deck it and go.
 
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chaingang said:
Wouldn't an engineered attic/storage truss have worked in the same fashion as joists and a beam without raising the overall height? This is what I went with to eliminate the post or an expesive piece of steel I beam in my garage. I ended up with a room upstairs and an 8/12 pitch. Plus the added benifit of not having to stick build the second story. Just sheet it, deck it and go.


Yes, and engineered attic/storage truss would have worked fine. But I wanted the option of converting the cathedral/lift side bay to a second floor in the future. If I had trusses, the cathedral side truss would have to be heavily modified. The way it is now, all I have to do is hang floor joists to the cathedral side to complete the whole upstairs. I suppose I could have stick built the lift side and trussed the other side.

Also, I like the open look of rafters w/o all the webbing of a truss.
 
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