TLPPC vs SPGX vs Nohr-S vs ??

[mikereno1]

I am thinking of going the sealer route instead of epoxy. Can those of you that have one of these products installed give me the reason you went with it over another? Any other products like this out there that I should consider? Are they still selling TLPPC? I like the look of the bare concrete and want something that will enhance and protect it but not really looking for color additives, flakes, etc.

Any difference in prep? Nohr-S looks like it needs a primer where the others dont mention that.

What type of grinder if best to prep the floor? I have about 1000 sqft of power trolled new concrete

 

[Radix2]

I am in the same boat, looking for the best effective clear coat with minimal surface film - there is some good info on this thread - http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=300797

There is info in the thread that separates the products a bit more into sealers that sink in and protect vs those that are more focused on creating a surface film. The SPGX and Nohr are named as being similar surface film coatings where the TLPPC is supposed to be more in the middle.


The HD40 stainguard from that thread sounds like what I am looking for, and might be worth it for you to look into ?

 

[Garage Flooring]

Right now TLPPC is NOT a good option for you. To be fair, even if they come back and resolve the issue with the product, I am not sure I am comfortable with the way they have handled the situation -- so even if I get confirmation the new product is 'fixed' I am not sure I will sell it because for me business is as much about the people as it is the product

I am thinking of going the sealer route instead of epoxy. Can those of you that have one of these products installed give me the reason you went with it over another? Any other products like this out there that I should consider? Are they still selling TLPPC? I like the look of the bare concrete and want something that will enhance and protect it but not really looking for color additives, flakes, etc.

Any difference in prep? Nohr-S looks like it needs a primer where the others dont mention that.

What type of grinder if best to prep the floor? I have about 1000 sqft of power trolled new concrete

I am in the same boat, looking for the best effective clear coat with minimal surface film - there is some good info on this thread - http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=300797

There is info in the thread that separates the products a bit more into sealers that sink in and protect vs those that are more focused on creating a surface film. The SPGX and Nohr are named as being similar surface film coatings where the TLPPC is supposed to be more in the middle.


The HD40 stainguard from that thread sounds like what I am looking for, and might be worth it for you to look into ?

 

[mikereno1]

Justin, what would your recommendation be for a coating of this sort?

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Nohr-S is a high peformance coating/sealer.
It has an unlimited pot-life, excellent chemical/wear resistant, single component, UV light has no effect and unlike many of these products has a film thickness closer to epoxy.

Here is a picture from our customer Mr. Brent, from beautiful Bakersfield, CA.

http://www.legacyindustrial.net/products/concrete-sealers/nohr-s-polyurea-sealer.html

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

I am in the same boat, looking for the best effective clear coat with minimal surface film - there is some good info on this thread - http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=300797

There is info in the thread that separates the products a bit more into sealers that sink in and protect vs those that are more focused on creating a surface film. The SPGX and Nohr are named as being similar surface film coatings where the TLPPC is supposed to be more in the middle.


The HD40 stainguard from that thread sounds like what I am looking for, and might be worth it for you to look into ?

Radix:
HD40 is the ultimate "non-coating" sealer. It is very thin and gains it's adhesion through the heat of a burnisher vs. acid etching or grinding.

As long as the floor is clean and smooth (smoother the better) this is an excellent alternative to traditional coatings/sealers.

http://www.legacyindustrial.net/products/densifiers/hd40-concrete-stainguard.html

 

[mikereno1]

Can the HD40 go straight over a power trolled floor? How soon after application do you have to use the polisher/buff pads? The pads will fit a standard floor polisher like this right?

http://www6.homedepot.com/tool-truck-rental/Floor_Polisher/56382881/

This might fit the bill perfectly

 

[BIGSHOT]

Good thread ... I'm looking to go for either SPGX or Nohr myself. I'm planning to do this in September.

 

[Radix2]

Radix:
HD40 is the ultimate "non-coating" sealer. It is very thin and gains it's adhesion through the heat of a burnisher vs. acid etching or grinding.

As long as the floor is clean and smooth (smoother the better) this is an excellent alternative to traditional coatings/sealers.

http://www.legacyindustrial.net/products/densifiers/hd40-concrete-stainguard.html

Thank you, in reading the tech data sheet, it is not clear to me what type of stain resistance the finished floor will have- for example should I expect a sealed and burnished HD40 floor to be fairly immune to routine oil leaks from vehicles ? It says it has minimal resistance to solvents - would it be effective to prevent stains from food if used in a kitchen area - i.i tomato sauces, wine, etc.?

I see that multiple coats may be used before burnishing - do these improve sealing as I assume they would or is it mostly to improve the gloss ?

THX again

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Can the HD40 go straight over a power trolled floor? How soon after application do you have to use the polisher/buff pads? The pads will fit a standard floor polisher like this right?

http://www6.homedepot.com/tool-truck-rental/Floor_Polisher/56382881/

This might fit the bill perfectly

Yes, can go over a power-troweled floor.
If using a buffer 175-300 RPMS use our white pads (takes 3x as long to accomplish)
If using a burnisher 1000-3000 RPMS use our Hogs Hair Pads.(preferred)


Have to complete this step for best result and the smoother the floor, the better.

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Thank you, in reading the tech data sheet, it is not clear to me what type of stain resistance the finished floor will have- for example should I expect a sealed and burnished HD40 floor to be fairly immune to routine oil leaks from vehicles ? It says it has minimal resistance to solvents - would it be effective to prevent stains from food if used in a kitchen area - i.i tomato sauces, wine, etc.?

I see that multiple coats may be used before burnishing - do these improve sealing as I assume they would or is it mostly to improve the gloss ?

THX again

I can't stress enough how important it is to start with a smooth floor and the burnishing method is the best. When done correctly, oil and water based products can be cleaned easily with no harm to the floor.

If you need greater resistance then go to our Nohr-S Polyurea.

 

[Cozeep]

If you like the looks of a smooth power troweled floor you might take a look at some of the penetrating siliconate sealers that are out there. They won't change the surface substrate very much but they seem to do a great job of sealing against most stains.

 

[mikereno1]

Yes, can go over a power-troweled floor.
If using a buffer 175-300 RPMS use our white pads (takes 3x as long to accomplish)
If using a burnisher 1000-3000 RPMS use our Hogs Hair Pads.(preferred)


Have to complete this step for best result and the smoother the floor, the better.

This should do the trick

http://reno.allstarrents.com/equipment.asp?action=category&category=70&key=070-0121-0

I can probably knock out the 1000 sq ft in a few minutes with this giant

How long after application does the burnishing need to be done? How many coats are recommended? In the video it looks like they did 2.

 

[Radix2]

My floor has a nice has smooth troweled finish - There are some areas where there are marks in the cream that I would like to blend a bit with some light screening or a bit of acid wash before staining - any problem doing this before applying HD40 ?

Does applying a densifier/sealer prevent being able to apply a film style finish later on?

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Hd40 is only effective over smooth concrete.

Screens and acid don't remove material very well, if at all.

Yes, could grind and coat later without issue.


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[LegacyIndustrial]

Two treatments is best, 3 is great. Burnishing within a few days of treatment is best.


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[mikereno1]

Two treatments is best, 3 is great. Burnishing within a few days of treatment is best.


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Perfect, for 1000 sqft I will need 4 gallons Id guess so I'll just go with the 5 gal since its cheaper that way. What % is the GJ discount and how can I get it?

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Perfect, for 1000 sqft I will need 4 gallons Id guess so I'll just go with the 5 gal since its cheaper that way. What % is the GJ discount and how can I get it?

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[mikereno1]

You guys have both a Nohr-S polyurea concrete sealer and coating on the website. Both of the descriptions are essentially the same and prices are the same. Is there a difference between these two and do you need to do the nohr prime if floor is grinded?

Can you get a similar gloss from a burnished HD40 sealer?

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

You guys have both a Nohr-S polyurea concrete sealer and coating on the website. Both of the descriptions are essentially the same and prices are the same. Is there a difference between these two and do you need to do the nohr prime if floor is grinded?

Can you get a similar gloss from a burnished HD40 sealer?

No difference. It can be used as a clear sealer or an opaque coating.

No comparison between Nohr-S and a Stainguard. Apples vs. Oranges.

If you want to go big, go Nohr-S.
Yes, Nohr-Prime it.


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[mikereno1]

Thanks Scotty, just ordered the HD40. I'll post my thoughts on it soon. Maybe down the line I'll grind and epoxy but this will be perfect for now. Next step is figuring out how to get the giant burnisher to my house, not going to fit in the S4 I imagine