To tool truck dealers.keeping track of dead beats?
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Steevo
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Worried your name may be there? 
More like assume deadbeat, let Snapon credit etc sort them out.
Guessing anybody that offers credit without financing does some kind of credit check.
With privacy laws you could easily be in big trouble sharing info casually.
Guessing anybody that offers credit without financing does some kind of credit check.
With privacy laws you could easily be in big trouble sharing info casually.
Dolsontools
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each tool company has a system for tracking skips for active dealers. it only works though if both dealers enter the correct customer information. there are also some online databases for skips that you can get access to for a fee. the reality is though that its a very small percentage of customers that become a problem. and if you're doing your job, you tend to be able to Identify those guys fairly quickly and thus not extend them much credit.
I don't know of any dealers that do a credit check for truck accounts, that includes myself.
I don't know of any dealers that do a credit check for truck accounts, that includes myself.
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Living above the 60'th parallel in Canada we have Snap on and MAC that come once every three weeks (each) kinda staggered - meh that part doesn't matter I guess...But the MAC guy is fairly new and maybe I just look like a guy who isn't going to screw him over (which I definitely will not), but he gave me credit SOO way to easy! Didn't do a credit check or anything, I think he knows that I am a first year apprentice and realizes that I will be buying a lot of tools, but all I did was ask him if I could start a truck account (bought some tools, paid half - and indicated I would pay the rest on his return) no problem he said...
He's smart so long as he can sort the good customers for the bad right away! I know it's MAC and all, but I'm more satisfied with his customer service and interaction then the Snap on dealer. Mac gets my business right now.
I just don't get the deadbeat philosophy - seriously they ruin so much for everyone else. Not to steel the thread, but I saw a drunk women the other day fill up her napsak with meat at the grocery store and just walk out - I even informed the acting manager about what was happening, but he couldn't do anything. The manager talked to the thief, and asked what was in the bag, but the drunken deadbeat swore, became irate and continued to walk off.
It's sad because it is groceries, and I was thinking I would've paid for her food, but then realizing that she could probably afford to eat if she wasn't drunk off her tree! It's those deadbeats that force grocery stores to raise their prices to compensate for the ones who don't pay!!!
Good thing those tool trucks are small and there's not too many drunken deadbeats loading their bags up with shiny tools... random rant for the day!
He's smart so long as he can sort the good customers for the bad right away! I know it's MAC and all, but I'm more satisfied with his customer service and interaction then the Snap on dealer. Mac gets my business right now.
I just don't get the deadbeat philosophy - seriously they ruin so much for everyone else. Not to steel the thread, but I saw a drunk women the other day fill up her napsak with meat at the grocery store and just walk out - I even informed the acting manager about what was happening, but he couldn't do anything. The manager talked to the thief, and asked what was in the bag, but the drunken deadbeat swore, became irate and continued to walk off.
It's sad because it is groceries, and I was thinking I would've paid for her food, but then realizing that she could probably afford to eat if she wasn't drunk off her tree! It's those deadbeats that force grocery stores to raise their prices to compensate for the ones who don't pay!!!
Good thing those tool trucks are small and there's not too many drunken deadbeats loading their bags up with shiny tools... random rant for the day!
I don't get it either..these are hard working people who are just trying to feed their families..I deal with snap on and matco.they are good dealers who take care of their customers.yeah the prices are high but well justified.i know its not cheap operating one of those trucks.
quattrojon
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I get on very well with one of the Snap-On dealers on my patch, and rightly or wrongly we do tend to share deadbeat information.
FergusonTO35
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All the tool guys in my area know who the deadbeats are, some of them are quite famous. One guy has been repoed by every tool guy that has ever operated in the area. There are tool guys who make risky loans when they should know better. One time, a Mac dealer sold a new box and a bunch of tools to a guy who had just got out of prison and was making $7.00 an hour changing oil. After two weeks or so the guy quit and disappeared with the tools and box. Last I heard he had hocked it all for chump change. One Cornwell dealer had several deadbeats who sold their boxes and claimed they were stolen, he had sold these guys boxes after they had been repoed by Snap-On.
Heavy Metal Doctor
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I'm not a dealer...I doubt there's a database other than a credit score....but I can tell you the converstaions Ive heard on the tool trucks....They definately do tell each other what is up when a tech changes shops and transfers to another dealer....the only deadbeats I've seen that have "gotten away with it" are the one who left the country to go "home", or the one who was a half-assed tech to begin with and ended up putting up siding for a living.....
SpiderGearsMan
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when I start a new job , I tell my dealer my last dealer ..sometimes I may have a balance I forgot about , so he collects it for the other dealer and keeps 20 percent , I try and take care of the old dealer before I leave
I tell him the true place I am going to and give my soon to be former employer a made up shop name
I tell him the true place I am going to and give my soon to be former employer a made up shop name
I really feel sorry for the dealers who get beat. Whether they give truck credit and loose out of their own pocket, or their sales statistics get hammered by a skip out on the company credit. But I think Snap-on and Mac are simply not doing enough to help the dealers. Matco is a solid step ahead in this regard.
One BIG thing that Matco does is keep a central database of tool box serial numbers. You call Matco credit with a box serial number, and they will tell you if it's paid for, or if there's still an outstanding lein. I can not for the life of me understand why Snap-on and Mac don't take this simple step to help protect their dealers.
One BIG thing that Matco does is keep a central database of tool box serial numbers. You call Matco credit with a box serial number, and they will tell you if it's paid for, or if there's still an outstanding lein. I can not for the life of me understand why Snap-on and Mac don't take this simple step to help protect their dealers.
jim_rush51
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Alot of the good dealers i know will not give you a big truck account till you have worked there a while. and most of the time you have to have purchased stuff from them before. Making those choices are what seperates the long term dealers from the short term ones, alot of times.
Toolhorder
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It's uncanny how a dealer can spot a deadbeat. One of the shops I was at the owner interviewed this loser and had me sit in. Then when he left he asked me what I thought. The guy was like mid 20's claiming he had 15 yrs. experience. I asked how that math works? Then he claimed he was a master factory trained Ford guy, a bounty hunter part time and opening a motorcycle shop. He was a fast talker for sure and never shut up.
I watch him get into a beat up Honda Civic that barely ran and leave.
I tell the owner not to hire him he's full of **** and he hires him anyway. The guy shows up with a hammered beat down C-man toolbox maybe $300 box new. Not a nice one just a homeowner friction slide special. It was so greasy the red looked black.
Guy opens a drawer in front of me and it looked like a drawer for spare bolts or something except they were sockets. Literally just piled into the box like spare change or something. NO organizing at all.
He tells us some story about having a big box and tools but they were stolen or something. Okay the owner tells him he can use his tools. (guess how long that lasted)
Owner tells him to buy his own and organized what he has.
Guy never does the organizing but between cell phone calls and long bathroom breaks he gets a SO catalog and every week gets on the truck telling the SO guy he just met he wants to try and get approved on a new Epiq and order a master technician tool set.
I just ignore this clown and look around the truck. Once he's off the truck the dealer tells me NO way in hell is this kid getting anything from him. He ran his credit and it was he had horrible credit.
Cornwell guy comes and falls for his BS and sells him a tool cart on a truck account. About 3 weeks later this guy fails to show up to work (he usually missed at least 1 day a week) and then gave some crazy story about bounty hunting or some BS (really no call to your work to explain for a week?)
Owner sends him down the road motors. Cornwell gets screwed. Last time I talked to Cornwell he's still looking for the clown.
I watch him get into a beat up Honda Civic that barely ran and leave.
I tell the owner not to hire him he's full of **** and he hires him anyway. The guy shows up with a hammered beat down C-man toolbox maybe $300 box new. Not a nice one just a homeowner friction slide special. It was so greasy the red looked black.
Guy opens a drawer in front of me and it looked like a drawer for spare bolts or something except they were sockets. Literally just piled into the box like spare change or something. NO organizing at all.
He tells us some story about having a big box and tools but they were stolen or something. Okay the owner tells him he can use his tools. (guess how long that lasted)
Owner tells him to buy his own and organized what he has.
Guy never does the organizing but between cell phone calls and long bathroom breaks he gets a SO catalog and every week gets on the truck telling the SO guy he just met he wants to try and get approved on a new Epiq and order a master technician tool set.
I just ignore this clown and look around the truck. Once he's off the truck the dealer tells me NO way in hell is this kid getting anything from him. He ran his credit and it was he had horrible credit.
Cornwell guy comes and falls for his BS and sells him a tool cart on a truck account. About 3 weeks later this guy fails to show up to work (he usually missed at least 1 day a week) and then gave some crazy story about bounty hunting or some BS (really no call to your work to explain for a week?)
Owner sends him down the road motors. Cornwell gets screwed. Last time I talked to Cornwell he's still looking for the clown.
chadster1
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Any dealer that has been in business for any length of time can spot con-artists like that.
digdug18
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Funny, around my area we tend to have more problems with the snappy/mac drivers then anyone else, them screwing us over.
Toolhorder
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Yeah our Snappy guy was like ya, no...
He actually told him spend some $$ then we'll talk. Of course you know how that ended.
NJHandyGuy
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Yeah but here's another way to look at it. Do you know how hard it is to get a truck account when your not a tech ???? I do and i just finished paying the balance off.
wafrederick
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I know Matco gets on the dead beats and is on record showing they owe money to a certain dealer.I pay my the Matco tool dealer that comes in on Fridays where I work at on the spot.My Matco dealer has repoed tools from one dead beat,owed him money and the check he recieved for the payment bounced.Snap On dealer down the road almost had to take one family to court a couple years ago,a guy bought a Modis from him and only made two payments.This guy died of radation poisoning and his family was holding on to it after he passed away.Would not give it up at all and did get it back selling it to my father.My father did pay for it completely on the spot.
chadster1
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Point out a business that has no risk.