Tool box trade in issue

[Cryptic1911]

Nice lesson. Its ok to steal or accept stolen goods as long as it helps your wallet.

Though he may be completely innocent, at least misguided, he is having dealings that are starting to encroach into the fraud / receiving stolen goods realm. I know people that will defraud anyone if it makes them a few bucks. Don't become that guy.

Take your tools out of the box to be safe, and get your roommate to agree to buy it back (even over time if need be) or call Snap-On. Get it out of your hands asap.

Well, that's not how I meant it. He's kinda stuck with a hot box, out a grand, and might have been relying on the trade in value of that box to get another if he can't afford one outright at the moment. Bringing attention to the fact that he's stuck with a hot box with nothing to replace it at his job is kinda a tough situation if they come repo the thing.. and it sounds like going after the roomate is a no win situation if he didn't have the money in the first place

 

[jebutler]

wrong

No I'm not wrong, you might not like the facts but they are just that facts.

 

[blackz26]

No I'm not wrong, you might not like the facts but they are just that facts.

+2, youre wrong. If what you stated was true, snap on would be out of business. And it's already been said, dealers will get their box back if possible

 

[jebutler]

+2, youre wrong. If what you stated was true, snap on would be out of business. And it's already been said, dealers will get their box back if possible

Read my original post no im not wrong there is no criminal issue here period. I've dealt with an identical issue. No law enforcemnet will get involved. That has nothing to do with snap on trying to get their box back.

 

[cvcman]

No I'm not wrong, you might not like the facts but they are just that facts.

oh ok....I know the "facts" and have seen it done but you probably know more than me

 

[cvcman]

Read my original post no im not wrong there is no criminal issue here period. I've dealt with an identical issue. No law enforcemnet will get involved. That has nothing to do with snap on trying to get their box back.

some people spout off saying they know things to be true,,,this guy is one of them .he is WRONG but you cant tell him that,,,,oh well

 

[jebutler]

some people spout off saying they know things to be true,,,this guy is one of them .he is WRONG but you cant tell him that,,,,oh well

You sound exactly like one of them like I said I've dealt with an identical situation so yea I do know about this. How about you?

 

[cvcman]

Read my original post no im not wrong there is no criminal issue here period. I've dealt with an identical issue. No law enforcemnet will get involved. That has nothing to do with snap on trying to get their box back.

Humm well tell that to the tech that works at Fox in Syracuse and the NY State Police went to the dealership WITH the Matco rep and he left with the box ! Maybe they were just filiming for a TV show or something

READ A CONTRACT........the box BELONGS TO THE TOOL TRUCK UNTIL ITS PAID FOR...if you are OVER 5 WEEKS late...its their box and they can and WILL repo it IF they find it....THAT is the FACTS !

 

[cvcman]

You sound exactly like one of them like I said I've dealt with an identical situation so yea I do know about this. How about you?

Its not worth my effort to argue with someone who has no knowledge of the law and contracts...nap time little one !

 

[jebutler]

Humm well tell that to the tech that works at Fox in Syracuse and the NY State Police went to the dealership WITH the Matco rep and he left with the box ! Maybe they were just filiming for a TV show or something

READ A CONTRACT........the box BELONGS TO THE TOOL TRUCK UNTIL ITS PAID FOR...if you are OVER 5 WEEKS late...its their box and they can and WILL repo it IF they find it....THAT is the FACTS !

Still that doesn't bring with it any criminal charges. Do you your self have any experience with this issue? Not, what this or that dealer said or, someone you know but you your self. NO CRIMINAL CHARGES PERIOD

 

[cvcman]

Still that doesn't bring with it any criminal charges. Do you your self have any experience with this issue? Not, what this or that dealer said or, someone you know but you your self. NO CRIMINAL CHARGES PERIOD

Never said ANYTHING about criminal charges....just said with the support of local law enforcement they can and will repo the box...the rep could have done it alone but the kid was being a ****....

And YES I MYSELF have experience with this "type" of issue and have had the exact same results....CASE CLOSED

 

[blackz26]

Never said ANYTHING about criminal charges....just said with the support of local law enforcement they can and will repo the box...the rep could have done it alone but the kid was being a ****....

And YES I MYSELF have experience with this "type" of issue and have had the exact same results....CASE CLOSED

I like this

 

[jebutler]

This isn't a criminal issue only civil. The box isn't stolen and can not be reported stolen unless the room mate does it.Snap On can not because they willing gave the box to the guy. They can put a lien on it and/or TRY AND RECOVER IT. They will more than likely turn it over to collections. But, as far as stolen property goes, nope. Just because it might be considered unethical doesn't make it illegal. As far as criminal issues go the O.P. has nothing to worry about. The poor kid probably thinks he's going to jail after reading some of the post here but, he has nothing to worry about.

Never said ANYTHING about criminal charges....just said with the support of local law enforcement they can and will repo the box...the rep could have done it alone but the kid was being a ****....

And YES I MYSELF have experience with this "type" of issue and have had the exact same results....CASE CLOSED

Hum sound alot like my original post you were saying was wrong.

CASE CLOSED

 

[383novamike]

I wanted to stay out of this one BUT.I live in upstate ny and can tell you honestly there is no way any cop is going to waste his or her time to help confiscate a tool box no way no how.It will be considered a civil matter.I have never seen a fox dealership in syracuse,auburn but not syracuse.

 

[ATC]

jebutler is right...this is NOT a criminal case. The box is NOT stolen. The OP (if his story is true), has done no wrong.

The issue is between his deadbeat roommate and Snap-On credit. The OP unknowingly purchased the item with a lein on it. He did not knowingly receive 'stolen' property as some of you want to spout out.

IF Snap-On moves to repo the box:
1) They have to get deadbeat roommate to give up the name and location of OP
2) If OP is contacted, he would need to give up the location of the box. If he does, then they take the box and it's over with for the OP
3) If OP does not give the location of the box, then Im not quite sure what will happen next. Possibly a court order to release the information? But he will not be arrested and thrown in prison as some of you believe.
4) If repo man finds the box, they need permission from the property owner to enter the premesis and retreive it. If anyone along the way tells the repo men to leave...THEY HAVE TO LEAVE! All these fake *** TV shows are absolutely 100% WRONG. Repo men have to follow a very strict set of rules and laws that most people don't know about.

 

[cvcman]

I wanted to stay out of this one BUT.I live in upstate ny and can tell you honestly there is no way any cop is going to waste his or her time to help confiscate a tool box no way no how.It will be considered a civil matter.I have never seen a fox dealership in syracuse,auburn but not syracuse.

The dealership is owned by Jane.....this did happen so you too would be WRONG...sorry

 

[cvcman]

I also believe what happened or the way it was explained to me when I talked to the one tech that was standing in the lot while it took place was the Matco guy was being noce and the tech with the unpaid box ( 8 weeks past due !! ) was being a ****...
The Matco guy said if he had to he would call the police...the **** said "go ahead"
Matco got on his cell...police showed up...talked to Matco guy for what seemed like a half hour....then outside comes the service Mgr with the ****...cop talked to the **** for 5 minutes....Matco loaded the yellow box on truck and left..

I assume Mr **** was inside unloading tools...

Now i have spent way too much time on this...this is what I saw...like it or not...I also have a friend that is a Matco dealer and he has repod boxes before SOME without the police but he has had the police in when he tought there would be an issue...and they DID come !

My last reply to this

 

[Polski-Chevy]

The dealership is owned by Jane.....this did happen so you too would be WRONG...sorry

383novamike never said that the incident didn't happen.

What I took from mike's statement was, that it would be unlikely a LEO would get involved in the case, other than maintaining order with their presence and ensuring the rep got the property back.

 

[383novamike]

Yes i am wrong so the cop showed up to maintain order.If you call the police to sort out a contractual agreement they will in a nice way tell you to go pound salt.Steeling something is a whole different ball game.

 

[garthg]

The legal answer: Snap On had a security interest in the box when it was sold to you. Since you had notice of the fact that money was still owed on the box you took the box subject to the lien. Snap On could legally repossess the box. All this is assuming that Snap On perfected its rights by complying with the state's chattel security law.

Whether they can actually find the box to repossess it is a different question. If it gets traded in, the answer is obvious.

 

[SpiderGearsMan]

I wanted to stay out of this one BUT.I live in upstate ny and can tell you honestly there is no way any cop is going to waste his or her time to help confiscate a tool box no way no how.It will be considered a civil matter.I have never seen a fox dealership in syracuse,auburn but not syracuse.

what do you think the sheriff does between foreclosures ????