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Grimly

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but why does it seem like people just take advantage knowing that they will just get a new one from there dealer it just kind rubs me the wrong way that people just have this attitude that if I break it who care my dealer will just give me a new one

Exactly so.
The only S-O tools I had that broke in service were entirely unexpected breakages - one was a thin-wall sparkplug socket (on examination the broaching was too close to the edge) which was welded up and is still in use 30 years on (was nowhere near a S-O van at the time and needed it to work) and the other was a 6" Pozidriver which another S-O man exchanged, no problem, years on and hundreds of miles away from the original sale.
I've broken other, cheaper tools, largely through expecting too much of them, but sometimes they just let go too damn soon - but that's what comes of being used to the capabilities of decent kit for years.
In recent times, because I'm not doing it professionally any more, my tool budget has cheapened a lot, but I try to get best bang per buck I can and that's how I discovered King Tony - totally by accident. I'd busted a no-name socket on a hub nut and the only one available locally in that size was a K-T. Armed with a K-T 3/4" breaker bar, extension and impact-grade socket (oh, and 6ft of scaffold tube) that hub nut gave in. No worries to the K-T kit at all, and I started to look seriously at buying more of that brand.
 
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Rico.

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I plan on buying a set of 12 point sockets just for using my breaker bars.

Just a heads up for you.... If you have a 6 point socket on a breaker bar and you
can't get a good angle because of the 60 degree change, just remove the socket
from the breaker bar and turn it one quarter of a turn (90 degrees) and put it back
on the breaker bar.

When you place it back on the fastener it will look like it's only moved 30 degrees...
just like a 12 point socket.

You are a wizard, aren't you? You can tell us. :thumbup:



Shhhh.... I'm supposed to go unnoticed.... :ninja:
 

bwringer

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All the comments on broken Torx bits are filling me with rage... dammit Ford, WHY? WHYYYYY! Why so many random torx head fasteners?

Why do the Ford engineers think a very shallow button head T50 is just peachy keen on a 10mm suspension or brake bolt?

RrrrrrrrGGHHH!
 

StackedDodge96

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Thanks for the positive reply just glad to hear that you understand my concern and as you get further in you career you will obtain more tools. Hopefully break less of them one tip I can give you and I know people fight of the harbor freight stuff all the time, but there impact extensions and breaker bars come in handy when you know something is most like gonna break they. And it's a cheap for 100 bucks you can get a ton of stuff for that just In case


Good luck

I have some harbor frieght just for that!

I agree with your statement, but in the world of construction equipment Ive already seen its gonna happen.:thumbup:
 

Ruger_556

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Just a heads up for you.... If you have a 6 point socket on a breaker bar and you
can't get a good angle because of the 60 degree change, just remove the socket
from the breaker bar and turn it one quarter of a turn (90 degrees) and put it back
on the breaker bar.

When you place it back on the fastener it will look like it's only moved 30 degrees...
just like a 12 point socket.

:beer:

I never thought of that :beer:
 

Honda guy

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Mac used to carry a cool little locking flex-head, extra-fine tooth, 1/4 drive ratchet, made by Micro Tough.

Do you have a pic or part #?

SO makes them now :dunno:

Apparently Stanley/Husky makes or re-brands the heads and others still have it?

Is this it?

http://www.justtools.com.au/prod5881.htm

Apparently Stanley is the OEM, according to the stanley page here:

http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?TYPE=STATICLEFT&PAGE=PR_automotiveratchetssockets05.htm&LEFT=left_pr.htm

Ruger, that is a similar design ratchet, but I don't think the MAC microtough they are talking about.

I don't have a picture at the moment. Will post one tomorrow night.
 

DodgeMech

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Anyone complaining about us techs abusing our stuff and handing it in need a reality check...walk a mile in our shoes and you'd understand...especially for the premium you pay for snap off...the warranty is included in the purchase price...

About all i've ever personally broke was a couple of cman ratchets(using reducers, usually) and a bunch of flat head screwdrivers attempting to use them as prybars...
 

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Anyone complaining about us techs abusing our stuff and handing it in need a reality check...walk a mile in our shoes and you'd understand...especially for the premium you pay for snap off...the warranty is included in the purchase price...

I have walked many a mile in your shoes my father was an A/P mechanic for 25 years. I grew up in the business been inside air planes, cars, and heavy equipment since I could walk. I own a tree service and have a lage garage for doing repairs and fabrication of mine and others equipment. My business partner and I also maintain 12 cars between the 2 of us and we do all the repairs.

I buy tools off the truck all the time but I respect that my dealer owns his own business. He has a family to feed and bills to pay and so do I. So who am I to take money and time out of his pocket just because I choose to abuse my tools sorry but that just bothers me to expect him to replace stuff that I Knowingly should not have use for that reason instead of just buying or using the right tool


There is a big difference between paying a premium for a quality tool that built better and is backed by a great warranty / Service

And blatantly using tools improperly and when they break just expecting a free replacement because well you paid a premium and your a tech so you deserve it

THATS JUST WRONG
 
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Wookiethumper

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Ditto on the torx and allen sockets. I seem to go through T25s (Cornwell) and 5 mm (SK) like a fat kid goes through skittles. That and 90° Snap On oring picks. Only ever broke a few sockets. Less than 10, I guess. Bent the handle and broke the head off a Snappy 24 in breaker bar TWICE doing allignments on Great Dane trailers.
 

duanedragon

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1) How often do you actually break a tool?
About once a week.

2) What task were you performing when you broke the tool?
Usually it is trying to break loose a fastener.

3) What type of tools usually fail?
Sockets fracture, prybars bend, wrenches break, extensions twist, air tool anvils chip, once in a while a tool box or roll cart needs attention. My 13mm and 14mm GearWrenches break a lot.

4) Is it common to break hardline tools such as combo wrenches, etc?
Yes. Even nice tools break.
 

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I know they don't pay for it directly but who cares who pays for it when push come to shove the more bull **** warranty claim we give to dealers and tool companies the higher the prices become. when it's nobody but the person using the tools fault if it's being misused. ( I am not talking about normal tool failure) if you break a tool doing something is not intended to do you should buy a new one I am sorry but that's what makes the world go round. I can't think of any other business where people get away with murder like this I mean come on

You expect because you pay a premium you can do what ever you like with it and snap on Mac proto SK should just eat the cost and lose money

And in turn have to raise their prices and then people
have the balls to complain about there prices being to high

It doesn't matter how much money they make it's the principle
 
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e30bradley

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T50 torx sockets on ford seatbelt bolts.. I've broken more of them than I care to think about. Okay.. I'll think about it, at least two lisle, 1 snap on, 1 cm, 1sk, 1 husky.. wow. probably more than that. I twisted a lisle so I picked up the snap on one I had warranted a while ago (when it broke in same situation) and guess what happened!
 
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T50 torx sockets on ford seatbelt bolts.. I've broken more of them than I care to think about. Okay.. I'll think about it, at least two lisle, 1 snap on, 1 cm, 1sk, 1 husky.. wow. probably more than that. I twisted a lisle so I picked up the snap on one I had warranted a while ago (when it broke in same situation) and guess what happened!

You're a victim of "production engineering", the guys who set up all of the tooling and procedures used on an assembly line. They love Torx because it's a quick and positive way to install a fastener. They don't care about the guy that has to remove that seat belt bolt that's loctited so it takes 3 times the tightening torque to remove. Thread locker comes already installed on the fasteners, and the act of assembly activates it. There's a lot of it on brake and suspension fasteners. Ford U-joint bolts are another sore spot. I used to wear out SO 3/8 drive 12 point universal impact sockets getting them out. They'd get loose and fall apart.

I spent 35 years as a technician with Ford product development, mainly doing prototype work. When I installed seat belts, I never broke a T50. Removing them was a different story.
 

Kev442

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Not a pro, but once I stopped using Cman ratchets, breakage all but disappeared. If I think something nasty might happen these days, breaker bar or an old not too worried about (non cman) 36 tooth ratchet first.
 

d.mcfarland

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1) How often do you actually break a tool?
About once a week.

2) What task were you performing when you broke the tool?
Usually it is trying to break loose a fastener.

3) What type of tools usually fail?
Sockets fracture, prybars bend, wrenches break, extensions twist, air tool anvils chip, once in a while a tool box or roll cart needs attention. My 13mm and 14mm GearWrenches break a lot.

4) Is it common to break hardline tools such as combo wrenches, etc?
Yes. Even nice tools break.

This is a wild post HAHA. You must destroy tools!! Extensions twist??? You must only be at the gym or sleeping if you aren't working!! But really ... all this damage and no mention of ratchets giving you any problems?
 

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I've broken only 2 sockets and they were chrome on an impact. A couple of screwdrivers. The other week I think we broke every fan removing tool in the shop trying to break loose a fan on a T444E.

I loose tools more than I break them. I lost two snap on 1/4" drive 10mm semi deep sockets in two weeks and those aren't cheap to replace.


Ha ha. I'm in this boat. Genius deep 10mm impact 1/4". Constantly dropping it into oblivion.

Other than that, broken tools almost always come with abuse.

Broken a 1/2" ratcheting breaker bar, removing a axle nut. Ratcheting mechanism exploded, bust my lip open and bruised my eye. That was a bad day... And that wasn't abuse. And it was Mastercraft. My bad. Lol.

Other than that, wobble drives and wobble sockets are usually warrantied every once and a while as they wear.

I break chrome sockets every once and while, but I use a impact. Often times chrome is the only thing that will fit, and they take a lot of abuse before they give up.

21mm sockets are replaced about once a year. Same with 8mm torx.

Oh. And those little snap on orange screwdrivers. They don't like being used as a punch/pry bar/pick/scribe etc etc.
 

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I don't wrench for a living, but I wrench on my own stuff daily and have been for 30+ years.
when I was a kid I did break a few tools. mostly(I think) because they were cheap *** tools.
than I started buyin decent tools.
in the last 20 years I think the only things I've fucked up is I spread a wrench. and I bent a pry bar, and I bent the point end of a ladyslipper(snap-on).

I probably was using them improperly, well, not the pry bar:thumbup:
i'm much more aware these days. I bet I haven't haven't broken a tool in 5 years:beer:
 

truckaddict

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I remember every hand tool I ever broke. wrenched professionally for 3 years. 1 Cheap wrench, two hands on it and one side of the jaws flew off and put a gouge in my head. the whole two sets (Sae/Metric) went in the trash. One 1/2 ratchet, about 3rd day at work brand new, couldn't move a bolt the old guy I was working with said just put that 10' length of pipe on the end it'll move. right in the middle of the ratchet it moved. and dam 1/8 hex keys. every time i work on my wood lathe there goes another one.
 

sloppy

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1) How often do you actually break a tool?
Pretty seldom, when I was young and dumb I broke allot. I seem to break more fasteners in my current job then actual tools.
2) What task were you performing when you broke the tool?
disassemble seems most common.
3) What type of tools usually fail?
impacts, breaker bars, chrome sockets on a impact
4) Is it common to break hardline tools such as combo wrenches, etc?
anything can and will break/wear out..

some of these reply's really amaze me. I couldn't actually give a list of items I have had break on me.
 

autonaut

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Quite rare..

Mainly if i use them incorrectly, or if its cheap tools.
Recently i had a torx bit and torx head fail on me trying to loosen a seat belt screw.. I did not apply much force to either, but they did still break. Had to use the torch to make sure my 3'rd attempt would not fail.

I'd say in general once every 4-6 months..
 

autonaut

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anything can and will break/wear out..

some of these reply's really amaze me. I couldn't actually give a list of items I have had break on me.

Yes.. If you use it for 30-50 years or use it incorrectly.
Or if its poorly made tools.
 

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You're a victim of "production engineering", the guys who set up all of the tooling and procedures used on an assembly line. They love Torx because it's a quick and positive way to install a fastener. They don't care about the guy that has to remove that seat belt bolt that's loctited so it takes 3 times the tightening torque to remove. Thread locker comes already installed on the fasteners, and the act of assembly activates it.

I feel ya, but looking at it as a passenger in said vehicle, I want to be confident that the primary device responsible for keeping me alive in a collision is securely bolted down. Good on Ford for choosing a fastener that is less prone to error on the assembly line and using threadlocker on it. If that means that the techs working on them break a few sockets on the portion of them that come in for a service that requires removing seatbelt bolts, then so be it.

I get it, though I'm not a Ford guy I've broken my fair share of sockets working on brakes, but likewise that is an area where I figure it's better to have to spend a few bucks replacing sockets than to skimp on a critical safety part.
 
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