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Tool coatings, why not electroless nickle?

HanShotFirst

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I've always wondered why electroless nickle has never been used as a tool plating. It's harder and more corrosion resistant than chrome, and MUCH easier to apply. I'm sure there's a good reason, but I sure don't know what it is.
 
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Cost mostly, it is an expensive process by comparison because it complicates things.
Electroless nickel alters dimensions when applied, so you need both account for it in your products final size, and have a somewhat accurate means of measuring how much of it you have put on.
 

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I've never heard of electroless nickle. Many years ago I was taught in high school about using electricity to plate metal. I remember doing a copper coat, then nickle, last chrome. And I was told the chrome was hardest, hence why it went on last. Perhaps my memory is wrong?
 

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I've never heard of electroless nickle. Many years ago I was taught in high school about using electricity to plate metal. I remember doing a copper coat, then nickle, last chrome. And I was told the chrome was hardest, hence why it went on last. Perhaps my memory is wrong?
The object is to get the chrome on but it comes down to what can be applied to what. The copper adheres well to steel, the nickel will stick to the copper and finally, the chromium sticks to the nickel. If they could go directly from steel to chrome, they would.

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Nickel plating used to be the luxury tool coating a century ago.
Some current lines use it today to avoid extra cost of chrome and its regulations.

I do not know this process compared to others but nickel is a good option for long term rust resistance.
 

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I have wondered about the same thing. You can get kits from Caswell for doing small parts at home. I would like to try it as a restorative coating on used wrenched/spanners.
 
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Cost mostly, it is an expensive process by comparison because it complicates things.
Electroless nickel alters dimensions when applied, so you need both account for it in your products final size, and have a somewhat accurate means of measuring how much of it you have put on.

Right on both counts.

Often used to build up machinery parts for repair without the stress of welding.
Sometimes used in conjunction with welding. The edge is welded, because a nickel sharp edge is fragile, and the rest of the surface is electroless nickel plated.
 

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I think there's a bit of misunderstanding here...

Nickel plating is part of the typical chrome plating job. The old hotrodder's bit about "triple chrome" means copper, nickel, then chrome plate. Think of it as the chrome being the primer, the nickel being the color, and the chrome being the clearcoat.

And that's a valid analogy: The copper adheres best to steel, and in effect 'seals' the surface. Nickel provides the "color", and a good deal of the strength of the coating, the only problem being that nickel has a faint yellowish cast to it. Chrome provides a thin, even harder layer to protect the nickel, and gives it a brighter, bluish cast which looks more appealing. Nickel can also tarnish, so the chrome essentially 'seals' it to preserve the appearance.

One could apply chrome directly, but in order to get a similar appearance, you have to apply a lot of it- and of the three materials, the chromium is by far the most expensive. Also, applying that much chrome is power intensive, requiring more energy applied than the three layers separately.

Still, lots of tools use just a wash of nickel for some measure of anticorrosion, and a lot of those use electroless. "Triple chrome" processes rarely do, however, as EN has to "auto catalyze"- the chemical reaction starts easily and automatically on steel, but over copper, you have to in effect "jump start" it, usually by somehow having iron/steel in contact with the copper.

And even that isn't ideal, as the reaction then has to "spread out" from the contact points, which leads to varying thicknesses of plate, and/or unplated areas. Standard electro-deposited nickel, in those cases, is easier to 'start' and produces a more even finish.

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Electroless nickel alters dimensions when applied[...]

-ALL platings alter part size. Copper, nickel, chrome, electroless nickel, you name it. Any time you're depositing another metal onto a surface, dimensions will change.

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Most race bikes in the 70's were just nickel plated to prevent rust just because it was cheaper (there was a good chance you were going to dump your bike a time or two anyway over the season). It was kept un-buffed which also saved a lot of money.

I remember one time I'd moved and took my frame and ancillary parts into a new chrome shop to get a price. I explained and specified only un-buffed nickel plating and was given a price of $300 so I went ahead with it. When I returned for the frame I found all the bikers who worked there couldn't stand seeing a bike frame going out in just un-buffed nickel plating and they'd chrome plated and buffed it to a "T". I made them stick to my deal and ended up with what would be easily $1000 worth of chrome and work in the day for $300. I still have the frame and the chrome is still holding up well some 35 years later.
 
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Cost mostly, it is an expensive process by comparison because it complicates things.
Electroless nickel alters dimensions when applied, so you need both account for it in your products final size, and have a somewhat accurate means of measuring how much of it you have put on.
Any coating adds thickness, but electroless nickle goes on thinner and more uniform than chrome. Chrome is an electro plating and thus it will be thicker in some places.
 
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HanShotFirst

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I have wondered about the same thing. You can get kits from Caswell for doing small parts at home. I would like to try it as a restorative coating on used wrenched/spanners.
Electroless nickle is tough stuff, and a LOT more corrosion resistant than chrome. I do know that ammonia will make EN look like ****, maybe the nickle is just more sensitive to chemical discoloring.
 
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