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SMJ0104

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I'm looking for input from the avid and experienced tool collectors. I inherited literally tons of old, vintage tools. Plomb, Proto, Black Hawk, S/K, Snap-on, Craftsman, etc..

That being said, I have launched a re-sale business. Very much in its infancy, very disorganized, and very overwhelming, but VERY fun! Anyways, many of the tools were sitting in a warehouse, unattended, for years. They range from mint condition to VERY rusty.

In your expert opinions, would you rather purchase them "as is" or would you rather see them cleaned up?

I appreciate any/all feedback.
 
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skruft

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My personal view:

I think this depends on how old and collectible and what type they are.

Anyone who would use them would want them cleaned up unless your prices were low.

A very serious tool collector, especially of woodworking tools, would prefer no cleaning or, at most, gentle removal of actual dirt. I would suggest you look at the websites of the professional sellers of these types of tools.
 

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If you don't have any experience restoring old stuff I wouldn't do much of anything. I cringe every time I see quality old stuff that someone has destroyed with "restoration".

That being said, I would enjoy seeing some pictures. That would help with determining if what you have is unique or just common stuff that might not be worth the trouble of selling.
 

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I would like you to PM me a list of all the Proto you have for sale. As is condition preferred here.
 

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I would love to see this stuff up in the classifieds as well. Stick around to learn a little about the stuff, and you'll probably hit 100 posts pretty quickly.
 
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SMJ0104

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Thank you for all of the input! I really appreciate it! I would love to get items up on GJ's classifieds but I have some posting to do!!

I have a website: www.steverinosthings.com

It is BARELY alive, but the next week or so appear to be keeping me inside, therefore, updating, updating, updating!
 
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I personally don't understand collecting tools. Made for use, but i can see the oddities as collectables.
But to the op, i wouldn't buy a rusty tool, to much work, to make it usable, but you may find other issues on iteams like ratchets.
But post in the classified, and put spme on cl, little higher than you want, so you don't loose your *** in nagotions.
 

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Never never never clean the tools, unless you plan on using them on a daily/weekly basis; Let the buyer decide what to do with the tools.

As for not understanding the collecting tools part, some tools are very desirable, why take the chance on breaking an old tool that can not be replaced any more. if you must use it then by all means take good care of it.
 

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I, on the other hand, love me some rusty gold. I prefer to clean them up myself, gently; many others (the unenlightened ones) like to wire wheel anything with a speck of dirt on it, which can very quickly ruin (aesthetically, at least) a very old tool.
 

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I, on the other hand, love me some rusty gold. I prefer to clean them up myself, gently; many others (the unenlightened ones) like to wire wheel anything with a speck of dirt on it, which can very quickly ruin (aesthetically, at least) a very old tool.

What methods do you use to gently clean up rusty old tools? Which have you found to be the more successful?
 

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It depends on what your intended buyer is and the age/ rarity of the tools. Mechanics or do-it yourselfers will pay more for clean, new appearing tools, collectors want NOS type stuff if possible, but may prefer a bit of rust over a wire wheel job or non-original looking repaint. The folk art types who want stuff as decoration, like old hand planes, saws etc. the more rusty and used it looks the better for them. Another thing to think about is the age of the tool, if it's pre-WWII I'd probably be a bit more reluctant to try to make it look new again than something from the 80's.

As to your question about rust removal, it really varies. Very minor rust can be removed with WD40 and a rag, for dull (satin) chrome finishes, ultrafine steel wool and some WD40 will remove more rust than you'd think. For regular chrome, you can use a polish, but obviously this is very time consuming, so unless it's very rare or a SO, it's likely not worth the time. If the rust is more severe, Evaporust works good. Keep in mind that some types of chrome will discolor in Evaporust. I found that soaking just about anything for less than 7 or 8 hrs. won't damage it, but overnight or longer will darken certain types of chrome, the older the chrome the easier it seems to discolor as a rule. Bare metal tools that are rusty.....go crazy with the Evaporust. If you want a dull finish, leave it as-is after Evaporusting, if you want it shiny, wire wheel it. Just remember that if something is very badly rusted, ie. severe chrome peeling, pitting etc. it'll probably always look like ****, no matter what you do. But stuff with minor rust, you can make a night and day difference. Also remember, that you will make mistakes and occasionally damage stuff, although other than some minor discoloration from too much Evaporusting, that you'd have to look twice at to see, I've never really ruined anything or made it look worse, unless it was total junk to start with. Have at it!
 

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What methods do you use to gently clean up rusty old tools? Which have you found to be the more successful?

As Gregg33 mentioned above, WD40 and a rag or fine steel wool can be a good way to start. Mineral Spirits and a rag/old toothbrush is usually where I start though. Beyond that, I move to a firmer nylon-bristled brush or brass-bristled brush of differing coarseness, and for harsher than that I move to white vinegar.

For soaking in vinegar, I use undiluted white vinegar (standard 5% w/v grocery store stuff) with salt dissolved until saturated at garage temperature (usually ~90F). From what I understand, the salt here acts as a descaling agent, though I, myself, have not empirically tested its effectiveness against vinegar alone. Toward the end of a vinegar soak, I brush the tool (using one of the aforementioned brushes), while submerged in the vinegar, until I am satisfied with the results. Sometimes, I will decide to leave in vinegar for longer, brushing a few times as I go.

Immediately after removing a tool from vinegar, I drop it into another bath containing washing soda (this I dissolve "by feel" ) and dish soap, dissolved in water for a few minutes, making sure to circulate the water a bit while it is in there. This (base) neutralizes the vinegar (acid) and prevents flash rusting.

I then take the tool from the second bath, rinse quickly but thoroughly under running water, and dry immediately, using WD40 or some substitute to displace any trapped water. Most tools then get a thin later of Johnson's Paste Wax for further protection, and Superlube (or other suitable lube) if it would benefit from it.

I use shoebox-sized plastic containers for this, and usually wait until I have at least a handful of tools to clean up.

For minor surface rust, I sometimes submerge for as little as 1hr. The longest I routinely go is 24 hours (though I've gone as long as 48), and have not seen any pitting or discoloration as a result. That being said, a long soak in vinegar will damage chrome plating/paint/powder if it is already starting to flake; I haven't had issues doing this with chrome-plated tools when the chrome is uninterrupted, though these usually get closer to 1hr of soaking than 24 hrs.

Having said all this, this is obviously not practical/desirable for everyone. I am a DIYer and use my tools one I clean them up. I enjoy the process of bringing them back to life and of using them once I have done so, along with the fact that I am just a small part (so far) of each of my individual tool's storied history. This is why it is worth it to me. Plus, I get some damn good deals on the "rusty pieces of ****" that I tend to buy :D
 
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nicksnothereman

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I'm looking for input from the avid and experienced tool collectors. I inherited literally tons of old, vintage tools. Plomb, Proto, Black Hawk, S/K, Snap-on, Craftsman, etc..

That being said, I have launched a re-sale business. Very much in its infancy, very disorganized, and very overwhelming, but VERY fun! Anyways, many of the tools were sitting in a warehouse, unattended, for years. They range from mint condition to VERY rusty.

In your expert opinions, would you rather purchase them "as is" or would you rather see them cleaned up?

I appreciate any/all feedback.

I don't buy vintage tools that much (usually zero mechanics tools but some other hand tools) and wouldn't buy them "refurbed" certainly wouldn't pay more for that unless they are re-plated.

Of the stuff I do buy I usually just use a wire brush on the rust then just oil bare metal or spray paint (if paint peel isn't an issue). I probably wouldn't pay much for a re-furbed vintage tool because I don't pay much for as is vintage tools. I'd say most people buying vintage mechanics tools want good condition tools. If they're not I'm not sure that the cost to restore would be worth the difference between good condition and get as is.
 

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I get that. I don't love buying newish vintage stuff it is is in really bad shape (e.g. an 80's USA combination wrench with very flakey chrome) unless it is really novel or useful (or still useful but normally expensive), or can be refurbed (perhaps unfaithfully, but remember, it is already wrecked) to be those things.

On the other hand, if it is a bare steel Plomb (or Barcalo Buffalo, Vlchek, etc.) combination wrench from the 40's covered in surface rust and offered at a reasonable price, then of course I'll buy it. Most of the Plomb I've bought, for example has been from garage sales or the local flea, sold to me for almost nothing (at most a dollar or two power piece or handful, sometimes much less) because it isn't shiny. It is much easier to clean up the really old stuff, as it's pretty easy to make surface-rusted bare metal or dirty cad-plating look new again that flaked chrome (which to me isn't worth rechroming).
 
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ggoss, Gregg33, et al

Thanks for taking the time to detail your methods of dealing with impaired tools. I will be experimenting, but these ideas will most certainly make the trial-and-error less taxing.
 
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