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Tuscani2718

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Well guys over the past few years I've started tinkering more with small engines my vehicles etc. At the age of 29 I decided I'd like to be able to fix things myself and not rely on others. At any rate, I'm ready to start investing in quality tools. There is such a wide spectrum out there and after hours of research I'm not much farther in my decisions then when I started. I'm basically looking for input from weekend warriors and pros alike. My budget while limited has room for quality tools. I'm looking to start with enough to do basic mechanic work. I have some old craftsman items with many holes in the line up to say the least. Thanks in advance, I know I left the question fairly open ended, but any input is of course appreciated.
 
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Start on ebay looking for like new or even new snap on. You will get a nice discount on quality tools.
 

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the new SK stuff looks nice and they sell 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive socket/ratchet sets for not too high of prices.

Then search around on here to see who sells the best sets of things like snap ring pliers, punches/chisels, etc. Lots of that stuff is sold under several different names for varying prices. The Kastar (now Lang) vs. Snap-on 12 piece snap ring pliers sets are a good example of the same tool set for a couple of pretty different prices...
 

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I kinda like SK and Armstrong. One of these days I'm going to bite the bullet and order some Nepros, Hazet, Gedore or Stahlwille and see what's so great about them. Maybe see if I can find some Wright or Williams as well.
 

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I'd like to stay under 1,000 for the initial investment

My take is that you are looking at this the wrong way. I would say don't have a large chunk of money set aside to buy a bunch of tools at once, but rather buy a few at a time. Set a monthly allowance aside for tools and have a full list of everything you need. Then get a little at a time as you can, and before you know it you will amass a huge collection.
 

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hey, i was in the same boat maybe four or six months ago as a pretty ********* DIYer who made the decision to go through my toolboxes, clear out the cheap junk out and double down on really nice, high quality euro and US made stuff. here's what i've got:

1/2" drive ratchet, accessories, metric and SAE sockets: proto, bonney
3/8" drive ratchet, accessories, metric and SAE sockets: S-K, old jcpenney, bonney
1/4" drive ratchet, accessories, metric and SAE sockets: S-K, bonney
metric wrenches (mostly comb. but some DBEs too): wright, bonney, facom, old cman
SAE wrenches (mostly comb. but some flares and DBEs too): wright, williams, bonney, old cman
screwdrivers: klein, proto, witte, S-K, old cman
nutdrivers (i don't have a lot of these): klein, vaco
allen keys: eklind
wire cutting/stripping/crimping tools: klein, knipex, ideal, crescent/xcelite
pliers: klein, knipex, channellock
electrical diagnostic and test equipment: fluke, klein, DPL, ideal, tektronix (but i am running an electronics lab, LOL)
hammers: vaughan, estwing, old easco
power tools: milwaukee, dewalt, skil, porter-cable and of course the obligatory dremel tool (sorry you won't find any of this stuff made in the US any more but i've had good luck with these makes). look out for the OLD B&D stuff (in the metal cases), old skil, they made some good stuff back in the day.

this should give you an idea... lots of good manufacturers to start with... don't be afraid to check out used stuff in nice condition on ebay, you can save a lot of money there... look at the alloy artifacts site or posts on here to learn about all the good old names you can find on the used market on ebay, craigslist, thrift stores, pawn shops, flea markets and so on.

check out harry epstein, that is a great place to find good US-made tools, they have a lot of nice closeout deals, too.

zoro tools, i like those guys, they sell on ebay or through their own site, you can find a lot of stuff there with good prices... they sell S-K, proto, xcelite, among other stuff. very fast shipping with those guys, which i like. edit: if you're ever buying from zoro, do a quick google search for "zoro tools coupon code" before you close the deal and you should be able to save 10% or maybe $15-20 on most every order you put in.

you can get a lot of klein stuff right off the shelf at home depot; the prices are reasonable.

if you have older guys in the family who are handy, maybe start sniffing around for some hand me downs, i've gotten some really nice tools from other guys in my family who were cleaning out their toolboxes and getting rid of odd lots and onesies.

have fun, shopping for, receiving and actually getting to use real good tools on a job is a pleasure.

i agree with others, you don't necessarily need to go whole hog all at once, just take your time with it, maybe 1/4" drive one paycheck, 3/8" the next, some screwdrivers here, a power tool there, or as a job demands... no need to drop a grand all in one go unless you are about to start a career as a tradesman and need to tool up ASAP.
 
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Farm auctions. Be patient. Do not get too excited or emotional on the bidding. Wait for a deal.
 

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My take is that you are looking at this the wrong way. I would say don't have a large chunk of money set aside to buy a bunch of tools at once, but rather buy a few at a time. Set a monthly allowance aside for tools and have a full list of everything you need. Then get a little at a time as you can, and before you know it you will amass a huge collection.

I see what you're saying, instead of dropping 1000 on a not so stellar set, instead set aside a little a month and buy better stuff. That is a good plan, unless he needs a lot of basics now in order to keep his cars on the road.

But if he amasses a lot of basics now (like USA Craftsman), he can always swap in better quality stuff later and then move the CM stuff to his trunk tool box.
 
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Yeah I think I'm going to set aside a little a month and do it that way, I have a good amount of the basics but I used my friends SO ratchet and its a world of difference from mine. Kinda caused the bug for the tool purchases. Lol
 

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For a non-pro, I think usa craftsman sockets (among other things) are perfectly acceptable and will perform well. Heck, I would be suggesting Kobalt if they made 6 pt socket sets. And I do suggest Kobalt ratchets.

Overall, my approach would be to "buy for the project", but there's no reason not to go ahead and get a fairly complete socket set, a few hammers, screwdrivers, quality ramps, and the basics that you use on just about anything. Even if he doesn't continue doing auto repair work, he should have the basics on hand just for general life tasks.
 

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My honest advice...go buy a somewhat large set at sears or lowes when its on sale to get you basics...then add on as you go. For me, working on things gets expensive when you have to buy the less used items that are never on sale. Things like good torque wrenches, angle wrenches, valve spring compressors, good power tools, diagnostics tools, pullers, special tools for certain jobs...you get the idea. Heck, just simple things like a brake bleeder are easily $100 for a decent one, or at least $50 for the cheapest of the cheapest of obd-2 scanners, or at the very minimum $100 for a jack and set of jack stands that you can trust your life with to get under a vehicle. Even just to change a water pump requires a fairly large wrench to remove the fan clutch, and a cheap set of large wrenches start at $50 for a basic set. Save money on the hand tools and splurge on the other items because at some point, you'll need them...trust me!!!!
 

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Budget and quality = used.

Just starting out, buy a full set of tools from someone doing the opposite.

As you use the tools which ones you find lacking will guide you on which to upgrade.
 

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Yeah I think I'm going to set aside a little a month and do it that way, I have a good amount of the basics but I used my friends SO ratchet and its a world of difference from mine. Kinda caused the bug for the tool purchases. Lol

Now try a $9 Harbor Freight composite ratchet, you may prefer it. I use both, but $165 for ONE ratchet can put a hole in your budget.
 

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Pliers, Channellocks can't be beat for its price (stuff like slipjoint, needlenose, linesman). Knipex makes the better waterpump pliers and cutters, spent your money there.

Invest in a set of drill/impact driver combo, like Milwaukee's M12 system. Buy some quality bits and socket adapters. Use breaker bars for breaking lose stuck fasteners and use the impact driver to spin it out. The torque on the impact driver is sufficient for stuff like brake jobs and engine bay work. Makes small engine repairs a lot less tedious. Great for around the house too.

Wrenches, you can get by with cheap ones as long as you don't use the open ends.

Sockets, IMO Snap On makes the best, especially in the 3/8" territory. You can get them cheaper than truck prices on eBay, but you lose out on the warranty service.

GearWrench makes really good ratchets, but Snap On is still better. The Dual 80 Pawls design have virtually zero back drag resistance, makes hand wrenching a breeze in confined space.

Snap On's HBBD (deadblow ballpein) hammers are also a joy to use, from ergonomic to functionality. A very well designed hammer.
 

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A good low torque torque wrench/handle that reads accurately from about 0 to 100 inch pounds? 1/4" drive stuff good for small engines/aluminum stuff?
Specialty tools for the particular brands of small engines you want to work on a good idea?
--like starter clutch wrench/flywheel pullers measuring plugs etc?
 

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If you ever decide to buy air tools,don't buy the really cheap junk and you throw them away when they break.The impact sockets for the impacts,Grey Pneumatic is a very good brand.They are good as the Mac,Matco,Snap On,Cornwell impact sockets with a lifetime warranty with a much lower price.
 
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Since you are not going pro or at least not mentioned going pro at least. If you like the snap on stuff and want the same quality but can live with out a particular tool for a little bit if it does break go with the williams USA tools. They are like 1/4 the price of snap on brand stuff and many on here say that some of it is identical to the SO counter part. That being said though the ratchets are more like an older snap on than a snap on dual 80 so if your firend had a dual 80 ratchet and that was the one you liked I would say you could get those indtead (uesd though as new is pretty pricey) with the williams sockets and be set. That being said there are plenty of good ratchets out there that are not as high as the SO ratchets such as the gear wrench, matco, armstrong, craftsman premium and so on.
 

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You sound fairly serious about buying nice tools. Stay out of sears, while the usa craftsman was good the trend for the new stuff is the quality being no where near the cost point. Buying used craftsman at this point is a bad idea due to getting an inferior product if you need to warranty.

Kobalt is o.k. But if you want a snap on quality ratchet they will leave you disappointed.

I would suggest finding a tool truck in town and meeting him at one of his stops. Now that I have a snap on dealer stopping at work weekly I'm seeing how many people are getting taken on used snap on tools. Build a relationship with a driver pay cash and buy consistently for a while. You will be shocked at how low your off the truck bill can be. I cant buy sk/armstrong/wright for the prices i'm getting on my snap on.

Snap on will be overkill for a home user, but why not if you want them get them.

I am a bargain hunter for things I don't need right away or don't like from snap on. Amazon has a good selection of euro tools and if your persistent you can find some steals.
 

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Research your purchases, I've been ready to drop top dollar for tool truck stuff and then found alternatives on GJ for 1/2 price or less.

Love my bahco dual 80 ratchet and my koken sockets

Wiha screwdrivers and Thorite hammers and my NWS pliers

value for money is out there you just need to know where to look

I'm sure the American guys will point you towards good stuff if Euro tools aren't available locally.

I still rate Fluke and some Snap On stuff even though it's twice the price in England!!!!!
 

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Congratulations on your new venture.
Surely you will find much satisfaction (and frustration :lol:) in fixing your stuff and not having to shell out bucks to others to do what you can do.
As far as investing in new tools, be warned that acquiring tools can be very addictive.
With that said, first think about you will need, then what you don't have.
Think long and hard about what repairs you want to do.
Finally be patient, you will get what you need in time, you don't have to buy it all at once.
Your skill level will determine what you need as you go along.
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Yeah for what it costs to get things repaired today, I figured better to invest that money in the tools. Plus I will admit there is a level of pride in saying it never left the driveway but is fixed! Lol. Any opinions on MAC? I see it is generally cheaper used than Matco or Snap On?
 

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Yeah for what it costs to get things repaired today, I figured better to invest that money in the tools. Plus I will admit there is a level of pride in saying it never left the driveway but is fixed! Lol. Any opinions on MAC? I see it is generally cheaper used than Matco or Snap On?

Matco and mac are both good names. The thing to watch out for is they like to do outsourcing and rebadge. Snap on does with a few things but no where near as many. Mac/Proto/Blackhawk seem to me to blend. Blackhawk sockets are the bees knees and the hands down best bang for your buck in american made chrome sockets. I won't buy another brand of sockets honestly, I just hope they keep the quality up, the gamble is dropping quality in the future if I need to warranty. Mac has a lot of rebadged mark up, not that it is a bad thing but on rebadged tools with a truck brand name your buying the convenience of truck warranty. Being your off the route check out proto and blackhawk.

Our mac guy stopped coming to the shop and didn't want to warranty mac bought from previous drivers... Individual dealer experiences should not sway your opinion of a brand as a whole.

Matco really got in my craw, upcharging rebadged gearwrench nearly 6 times for a ratcheting screwdriver handle, that was the last matco experience for me. At least when I call out my snap on driver on something up marked crazy high he starts to wheel and deal.
 

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With Mac,you can send in broken and wore out tools to get replaced if no dealer around.I have done this several times,no problems getting replacements yet.Snap On,you break anything wore out first since Snap On does not cover anything wore out.Involves using a press and a steel ball.You put the steel ball in the wore out socket or wrench and start pumping on the lever for the press until it breaks.
 

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Pick the hardware store which which is closest to you and offers a lifetime warranty (Sears, HD, Lowes, etc...). Then purchase a mechanics set which included 1/4", 3/8", 1/2" sockets in the flavor of your choice (metric or standard). From there purchase screw drivers, basic hammers, pliers, etc... which will help in what ever type of work you plan on doing. Please do not forget to purchase safety glasses, gloves, paper respirators (at the minimum), and any other safety items you may need.

I started in my teenage years with a husky Taiwan set and still have all of them in my box today.
 
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Thanks to everyone for taking the time to give me some guidance. It is greatly appreciated! I do think I will check out the blackhawk sockets as they do look quite reasonable.
 

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Don't panic, and just acquire good tools slowly, as you need them, and of course, as they present themselves (used!).
Just keep in mind, the bitter taste of poor quality remains long after the cheap thrill of low price is forgotten. (As well as the knuckle scars caused by broken tools!)
 

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I like your take on this "Tool Investment" You are young enough to have these tools for more than 1/2 your lifetime. With this out look you can afford to buy more than good enough or price was right type tools. You can afford a certain amount of prestige in your tool collection. I was about twice your age when I started rebuilding a tool collection about 5 years ago and now own a good set of snappy and some euro brand name tools, all excellent quality and mostly bought used. No doubt about it, they are great quality and are pleasing to work with every time I pick one up.
 

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Get you some Pittsburgh Pro sockets from Harbor Freight and then get everything else Snap-on off eBay.
 

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Well guys over the past few years I've started tinkering more with small engines my vehicles etc. At the age of 29 I decided I'd like to be able to fix things myself and not rely on others. At any rate, I'm ready to start investing in quality tools. /QUOTE]

Taking the word 'investment' seriously...one way to go is to camp out on eBay, and get a good handle on Snap-on pricing.

For your $1000, you can buy quite a few socket sets, pliers, screwdrivers, and the like and have no doubts about the quality. You can argue about whether they are really enough better than Craftsman (or HF) to be worth all the fuss, but the real advantage here is that you can sell the stuff back on eBay for roughly what you paid if you bought it at market value.

The real cost of an object, after all, is the difference between the purchase and sales price.
 

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I thought modern Blackhawk was Taiwan? Unless we are discussing NOS/used. Either way, you have my attention lol.

No the current line of chrome sockets are made in the usa. and are the best deal in sockets anywhere. The ratchets are taiwanese and are meh, but the 1/4 ratchet is absurdly small so its found a home in my tool box. I'll take pics of my blackhawk sockets at work tomorrow
 

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The real cost of an object, after all, is the difference between the purchase and sales price.

I don't buy into this logic in an item that has a utilitarian use. Your not buying a crock pot because it has a good resale, your buying it because it has a consistant heat that will prepare food well. Tools your buying so you don't have to replace, You can buy tools with intent of reselling but your operating in a totally different manner. Going to estate sales etc not scouring ebay where the resellable deals are almost non existent at this point in the game.
 

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I thought modern Blackhawk was Taiwan? Unless we are discussing NOS/used. Either way, you have my attention lol.

As another member noted, Blackhawk has many USA made tools. The chrome sockets, wrenches (non-ratcheting) and quite a few other things are made in the USA, and are quite nice, judging by the ones I've owned and seen.

They do have Taiwanese tools in their lineup, though.
 

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There is absolutely no need for your to pay quadruple for used Snap On stuff for a driveway mechanic. You're not working on cars 10 hours a day, 365 day a year. My entire tool set is Harbor Freight and Sears. In 2 years, nothing has let me down. Save your money, b/c there will be many tools you need after you've blown the $1000.
 
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