Tool shopping, suggestions?
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Ouch... What did I ever do to you? lol this is the second post you assumed wrong, stopit. Never said it would make me a better mechanic, all I've ever said was it makes life easier. Dirty troll
Side note, don't hate me because I don't want to spend 300 bucks on a 15 or so piece socket set from snap on.
d.mcfarland
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Yeah, not sure why he is stuck on getting an impact and doesn't even have the basic tools covered yet ... or the funds for a compressor to power one.
Get off the impact train and cover your basics. Like 3/8 ratchet, sockets, extensions, and universal joint. Deep and shallow. That's a lot of the tools needed for the work you will be doing.
bcradio
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Okay you win, I don't need the impact gun I just want it. It makes life just that much easier on those hot summer days. It's something I want enough and should last me many years. I don't think $300 or so a year is a lot, I waste that much on energy drinks
And thanks to everyone's input, I'm only going to get the 2 foot breaker bar and a ratchet wrench from HF. To many people say I'll regret the cheap sockets and extensions. I don't think I can regret a $12 breaker bar
I would do some reading on compressors. .6 cfm is what the motor puts out only. The tank will deliver whatever you ask if it until it is depleted low enough. That compressor will be plenty enough till take off a tire, then wait a little bit for it to refill
Simply put... I want one.
And now someone has me scared that the 425ft lbs won't be enough. You all seem to say I need 1/4 or 3/8, so I mid as well search for some. I'll just up my budget a bit
And the extensions/universal joints are already on my list of things to buy. Curious, if you had to choose one which is more valuable the 1/4 or the 3/8?About that air compressor... I see it running out of air on every lug nut
I'm going to overwork it. The smallest air compressor I'd consider is the Makita MAC5200 and I'm not even positive if that has enough power/storage. One day I'll have a budget for a 2 stage air compressor that will last decades Until then I'm just going to wait. The electric will do.
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Givl Reggin
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We're all just trying to steer you away from china junk and towards making good decisions and getting a quality set of tools.... like someone said earlier; start with fewer tools, but a top quality brand and add to that set as you needs/experience grows.
Air tools are nice, but not something you *really* need - there isn't a hand tool that can't accomplish the same thing. Get the basics first then consider adding a compressor. Don't get caught up in having everything at once.
Since you don't have thousands to spend, there's a limited amount of things you're going to be able to do with $500... but, I think you need to start looking at it from the standpoint of quality over quantity. Sure your dollar may go farther with china made junk, but it's just what you'll have... most of the stuff from china is JUNK! Since you have nothing, or very little now, it makes sense to start out with a good USA brand, it doesn't have to be Snap-On... Williams, S-K, Armstrong (some Craftsman and some many even add Gearwrench) are good brands to look at. And, when your skills do develop you won't be thinking about upgrading.
d.mcfarland
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Both.
1/4 sockets and ratchet will cost you ~$30
3/8 sockets and ratchet will cost you ~$50
Pony up and have them. They will do things that 1/2 can't. Just like 1/2 can do jobs that 1/4 can't.
Does Taiwan count as China? I really do think I'm going for the Sunex metric set, I like how they don't skip over random sockets like most of the other sets do. I have my core 9mm-24mm with a few random big ones. They're not cheap either (not Snap On or Williams price though) I did finally agree with everyone that getting the cheapest set of tools wasn't the wisest idea. Also everywhere I read (a few different forum sites + product reviews) most people had good things to say. There's always a few nay sayers, it happens. I'm going to trust the people that's used them.
You did say a few brands I haven't looked into though, I'll check out those guys tomorrow. I'm just looking for middle ground now. I don't want spend a ton of money for the best, but a decent amount for middle grade? That's about right for me.
Hey mcfar! I said pick one >=0.. I guess they're cheap enough. Not priced nearly as much as the 1/2 impact sockets. I'll probably just get the regular silver ones.
I really do think I'm going for the Sunex metric set, I like how they don't skip over random sockets like most of the other sets do. I have my core 9mm-24mm with a few random big ones. They're not cheap either (not Snap On or Williams price though) I did finally agree with everyone that getting the cheapest set of tools wasn't the wisest idea. Also everywhere I read (a few different forum sites + product reviews) most people had good things to say. There's always a few nay sayers, it happens. I'm going to trust the people that's used them. You did say a few brands I haven't looked into though, I'll check out those guys tomorrow. I'm just looking for middle ground now. I don't want spend a ton of money for the best, but a decent amount for middle grade? That's about right for me.
Hey mcfar! I said pick one >=0..
I guess they're cheap enough. Not priced nearly as much as the 1/2 impact sockets. I'll probably just get the regular silver ones.scrappy610
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I read the whole thread and waited to see what came. Let me start of by saying I am a professional mechanic. I have used both cheap junk and quality tools like most here. I fully understand your want of an impact. I have one at work and am presently saving for a compressor at home. I agree with the others comments on 3/8 drive tools. I honestly have never used a 1/2 inch drive doing brakes unless I was changing rotors. Even then due to clearance issues I use a regular breaker bar. When removing calipers I always use a 3/8 ratchet. Just more convenient.
Now, I DO have an electric impact at home for removing tires. But I got it at auto zone for 59.99. Works fine for intended uses. I would personally recommend a full 3/8 set. Them a basic impact set of deep from HF if you get the impact. Also, the husky brand tools you find are the same as the silver eagle you get off the matco truck. I know because my 200 dollar set from matco is double stamped and could have been bought at home depot for far less. The HF extensions are only good if they are impact versions. The rest twist easy. At least for me. Also the universals are junk. If you feel you must get a universal, try to find a quality one, even if it means spending a little more, trust me, your knuckles will thank you. Other then that, seeing as how your predominantly working on more modern vehicles, I would recommend starting with as full a metric set as you van find and adding sae over time. You'll use the metric more. Even with domestic vehicles. Only exception that comes to mind is Chevy's passenger cars have a 3/8 caliper bolt instead of a ten.
Tools are sold in most common used sets, hence why you can't find a 10-20 them 21-32 or whatever. HF for some reason likes to leave the 18mm out of their set but it is used a lot. So there's something to look for. I know craftsman has some good deals on basic sets. Which will usually get you by until you can afford to expand. Definitely go basic, don't let tool envy get too you, and add as you can. Scour cl and eBay and you will be surprised how quick your tools build up.
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Now, I DO have an electric impact at home for removing tires. But I got it at auto zone for 59.99. Works fine for intended uses. I would personally recommend a full 3/8 set. Them a basic impact set of deep from HF if you get the impact. Also, the husky brand tools you find are the same as the silver eagle you get off the matco truck. I know because my 200 dollar set from matco is double stamped and could have been bought at home depot for far less. The HF extensions are only good if they are impact versions. The rest twist easy. At least for me. Also the universals are junk. If you feel you must get a universal, try to find a quality one, even if it means spending a little more, trust me, your knuckles will thank you. Other then that, seeing as how your predominantly working on more modern vehicles, I would recommend starting with as full a metric set as you van find and adding sae over time. You'll use the metric more. Even with domestic vehicles. Only exception that comes to mind is Chevy's passenger cars have a 3/8 caliper bolt instead of a ten.
Tools are sold in most common used sets, hence why you can't find a 10-20 them 21-32 or whatever. HF for some reason likes to leave the 18mm out of their set but it is used a lot. So there's something to look for. I know craftsman has some good deals on basic sets. Which will usually get you by until you can afford to expand. Definitely go basic, don't let tool envy get too you, and add as you can. Scour cl and eBay and you will be surprised how quick your tools build up.
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wafrederick
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If the HF impact sockets are chrome vandium,avoid and HF does sell impact sockets made out of chrome moly under their pro line.The metric sets,somes 15mm and 18mm is missing and look for this.
Ah finally! Someone agrees with me about the impact wrench!
Just about everyone frowned at me for those sockets, and they could be right. They convinced me not to take the gamble on the cheapest set I could find. Call me Jewish if you want, but the 1/4 set ends where the 1/2 set starts... So who needs that 3/8! lol
I actually just bought a socket set, it was 30% off retail Didn't want it to go ****. First sale of the season!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NIAIE2/?tag=atomicindus08-20
I hope you guys approve! I got the brand from you Reggin! Even if you guys don't I still like it.
As far as the other two sets I really do like these:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00079LQL6/?tag=atomicindus08-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NICEVW/?tag=atomicindus08-20
The 1/4 and 3/8 are complete, I just have to buy a few special sockets (wobbley extensions and universal swivel thingy) for the 1/2. And don't worry, I know its not everyone's favorite brand.. but I trust it and it's not to cheap. Gotta admit though, it's better then what I was prepared to buy before.
Just about everyone frowned at me for those sockets, and they could be right. They convinced me not to take the gamble on the cheapest set I could find. Call me Jewish if you want, but the 1/4 set ends where the 1/2 set starts... So who needs that 3/8! lol
I actually just bought a socket set, it was 30% off retail
Didn't want it to go ****. First sale of the season! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NIAIE2/?tag=atomicindus08-20
I hope you guys approve! I got the brand from you Reggin! Even if you guys don't
I still like it. As far as the other two sets I really do like these:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00079LQL6/?tag=atomicindus08-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NICEVW/?tag=atomicindus08-20
The 1/4 and 3/8 are complete, I just have to buy a few special sockets (wobbley extensions and universal swivel thingy) for the 1/2. And don't worry, I know its not everyone's favorite brand.. but I trust it and it's not to cheap. Gotta admit though, it's better then what I was prepared to buy before.
nicksnothereman
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lmao oh, it was a spelling error. D'oh! x_x All the tools I've found had to have good reviews, its the only way I'd trust them. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to buy name brand things! I'm sure they're made with far better quality. But a lifetime warranty on all the hand tools, I don't think I have much to lose.
I do /want/ Air powered tools, it's just not in the budget. The quality air compressor I'd need for that (I'd want one to last a long time) would just be to pricey. That's something I'd go all out on in the next decade.
So far for servicing my car, I use the online manuals people uploaded as well as eHow.com/youtube and it hasn't failed me yet
The only things that aren't pittsburgh pro were the pack of extensions as well as the cheap socket sets. But they both do have that lifetime warranty! My saying is if a tool is good it will be backed with a lifetime warranty. Hope I don't regret that one
A few people say the $50 ones on harborfreights cant even take off lugnuts x_x that's just not worth it. I want this big gun to take them off with ease, as well as any rusted bolts. Still, I'm not sure if being 13 inches long is to long to get the caliper bolts off or something. And I'm not sure if those 40ft lb ratchets are strong enough, I doubt it.
I actually never thought of using a heat gun for those tough bolts... That just turned into a need now. I still do want that impact gun, he was the whole reason I wanted to splurge on tools to be honest.
I have no idea whats a good temp for a heat gun.. Are either of these good:
http://www.harborfreight.com/430-80...with-led-temperature-settings-69343-9184.html
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200328563_200328563
I am being kinda cheap with them, but they hit my 4 star review mark.
Oh and maybe someone can answer me this, why is it so hard to find a socket set thats just 10mm-19mm then a 20mm-29mm & same with SAE... Why do they have to skip a few sockets in between them? The sets I found were the closest I could find to a straight line, they still are missing some sizes in the middle though. Frustrating lol
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I took off the axle nuts on my car with that. It caps out around 150 ft/lbs. (those nuts were 155 but I used heat + p.oil) On a passenger car that's enough to do most things (that you'd be willing to use an impact on).
You can use impact as hand tools (obviously) so you can do the impact and just get a ratchet. The problem is that 1/2" sockets (typical impact size) might be too thick to get at some bolts so you'll need at least a reducer and a set of 3/8" non impact. It doesn't need to be snap on to get a job done and the pittsburgh pro sockets are going to be fine if you're careful with them (hence the heat gun and penetrating oil).
Most people started out with craftsman usa which was a good option at the time because it was fairly cheap and good quality. Nowadays the only thing that's close is the taiwanese retail brand stuff (including pittsburgh pro, kobalt, duralast, and others). Quality wise I think they're a little thicker but the construction is still good and a lot of stuff is branded under a lot of names. Duralast (autozone) taiwanese is a very good option but it's more expensive and (probably) shares some stuff with harbor freight. You have to be a vulture to get a deal on tools nowadays.
nicksnothereman
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Ah finally! Someone agrees with me about the impact wrench!
Just about everyone frowned at me for those sockets, and they could be right. They convinced me not to take the gamble on the cheapest set I could find. Call me Jewish if you want, but the 1/4 set ends where the 1/2 set starts... So who needs that 3/8! lol
I actually just bought a socket set, it was 30% off retail
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NIAIE2/?tag=atomicindus08-20
I hope you guys approve! I got the brand from you Reggin! Even if you guys don't
As far as the other two sets I really do like these:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00079LQL6/?tag=atomicindus08-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NICEVW/?tag=atomicindus08-20
The 1/4 and 3/8 are complete, I just have to buy a few special sockets (wobbley extensions and universal swivel thingy) for the 1/2. And don't worry, I know its not everyone's favorite brand.. but I trust it and it's not to cheap. Gotta admit though, it's better then what I was prepared to buy before.
Actually it's not if it's gearwrench chinese (it probably is). Maybe you can return that set to amazon, I don't know. Someone said gearwrench china is "better" than harbor freight taiwan? On here? And you listened to them?
The taiwanese gearwrench is pretty good but not sure it's much if any different or "better" than the other taiwanese lines at retail. Now gearwrench is china (as far as I know) and doesn't have a retail warranty. That's a bad combination at that price man.
Says taiwan though, but if it comes made in china you should return it.
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I'll spend a bit more time researching those HF impact guns, I just remember reading a few neg reviews and watching a youtube video about it. I didn't wanna take the chance and end up buying another one a month later.
It did get it off eventually, but it struggled to much
Ima debate with myself on putting that heat gun in my list now. I wasn't really prepared to buy those extra socket sets, but everyone says I need them. Figure they'll last forever if I rarely use them
Craftsman was my first socket set actually So I guess everyone does start with it. I just don't like their socket sets now because they mixed them with 12 points and missing random sockets here and there.. I want an all 6 point completely straight line
lmfao, oh nickkk. Ah oh well I'll accept what I bought. Keep that to yourself next time!! I'm happy thinking I did well with that buy. It does have a warranty though, so says their website. Lifetime I always check that for tools.
Ima debate with myself on putting that heat gun in my list now. I wasn't really prepared to buy those extra socket sets, but everyone says I need them. Figure they'll last forever if I rarely use them
Craftsman was my first socket set actually
So I guess everyone does start with it. I just don't like their socket sets now because they mixed them with 12 points and missing random sockets here and there.. I want an all 6 point completely straight line lmfao, oh nickkk. Ah oh well
I'll accept what I bought. Keep that to yourself next time!! I'm happy thinking I did well with that buy. It does have a warranty though, so says their website. Lifetime I always check that for tools.ibedayank
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I'm thinking more stupid than Jewish.
I agree. $100 for Chinese 1/4" drive was a stupid move. I paid less than $60 for pristine 1/4" drive mm Snap On sockets. Pretty sure my T72 was less than $40 including shipping.
I know there are pros who can use cheap tools successfully. I know guys like that. They have superior feel and tool sympathy. They are able to sense each tool's limit. As I see it, I'd sooner recommend cheap tools to pros than beginners.
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The other day I pulled an engine out of a car with a 1/2" breaker bar, Milwaukee 3/8" cordless ratchet and basic 3/8" handtools. You'd love that Milwaukee for now. But I suppose a corded impact would be good for taking off wheels. I settled for my 4 way at home.
I don't know where you people get your information from... If you type in "Is gearwrench good" or "Is gearwrench bad" into google, the first 10 pages for both say good things about the brand. 20 different websites of people, including this one!! (Maybe some duplicate in the search? So 20 or less). I didn't just hear a brand and say "welp it must be good!" I did what research I could on it, concluded it was a good tool, and went for it! If you want to disagree because its not "American" then whatever, you can keep that to yourself at this point. I get it Everyone says American is better, I don't say you're wrong I just say I won't spend that much money for a single/small pack of tools.
I don't want that to sound rude either, I just don't like being called stupid. I came here for help and advice simply because I don't know a lot about tools. You guys have helped me so far! I do appreciate it.
Also they're not cheap, you can call the HF sockets I was going to get cheap. These are a mid grade tools for a mid grade price.
Zeroek, or anyone who uses ratchets, do you think a Milwaukee 2457-20 is worth it the money? I don't know if it can take off many bolts with 35ft lbs of torque. I found a used one on eBay, if it goes cheap enough (like $85) I was thinking about putting a bid in.
I updated the first post with what I plan on getting now.
Everyone says American is better, I don't say you're wrong I just say I won't spend that much money for a single/small pack of tools. I don't want that to sound rude either, I just don't like being called stupid. I came here for help and advice simply because I don't know a lot about tools. You guys have helped me so far! I do appreciate it.
Also they're not cheap, you can call the HF sockets I was going to get cheap. These are a mid grade tools for a mid grade price.
Zeroek, or anyone who uses ratchets, do you think a Milwaukee 2457-20 is worth it the money? I don't know if it can take off many bolts with 35ft lbs of torque. I found a used one on eBay, if it goes cheap enough (like $85) I was thinking about putting a bid in.
I updated the first post with what I plan on getting now.
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That Milwaukee is one of the best investments I've made. You have to have a regular ratchet or breaker bar to break bolts loose with first. You can use the Milwaukee to break them loose if they aren't super tight. The whole point of it is to spin bolts out quick so you aren't ratcheting all day long. I used my Milwaukee to lift my car too. Put a 32mm 12 point socket on the end of my little scissor jack.
Ha, I never even thought about doing that with a scissor jack. Ahh if it can't break those bolts I can't get to with the impact gun it might not be worth it for me. Although I see the plus in it tightening all the bolts I end up taking off. That might be something I get when I get an air compressor, those ones have twice the torque. Ima still watch the eBay item. If it's cheap enough I might just snag it for the heck of it.
Ok, you're starting to get there now. And the fact you are thinking it through and not impulse buying is good.
You will find that only having 6pt sockets will leave you wanting for a 12pt on a driveshaft or something one day. Hang onto those 12pt CM, love them or hate them, because they may save your **** on a job.
I changed all my extensions to wobble and eventually pulled the U-joints from the kits. Again some love em' and some loathe them but I found wobble+ ( AZ house brand, not SO ) to be the best for my uses.
Getting the 1/4" set to compliment the halfer set is good. That ranges you through the sizes. But for me there was another factor to using 3/8". Heft, size and weight of a 3/8" ratchet is greater allowing more torque and thus not breaking. A 1/4 " ratchet will not take the same abuse as a slightly larger 3/8" will. None of them.
Recall reading posts saying the SO T72 ratchet is junk, the tech has to get his warranteed every week or so? Guess which young line tech really needs to step up a drive size and even a mid range ratchet will hold up where his SO 1/4" is not. The tool is not bad, his application of it is.
Yup, about three of them here over time and always the same story.
1/4" is for those tight spaces nothing else will fit. Plastic/aluminium engine parts and exaust/intake manifolds with really bad access options, (VW 1.8L water cooled) stuff of that ilk.
Then you'll tell us you don't work on that. But, one day you might have to and you'll be prepared for it. People change cars like women change shoes. You'll see them all eventually.
Anyway thats my take on it. I did make decent Taiwan tools the bulk of my kit with success in all but ratchets. Full time heavy equiptment work to late model autos. I did get a few other blingy things over time but could have lived without them.
You will find that only having 6pt sockets will leave you wanting for a 12pt on a driveshaft or something one day. Hang onto those 12pt CM, love them or hate them, because they may save your **** on a job.
I changed all my extensions to wobble and eventually pulled the U-joints from the kits. Again some love em' and some loathe them but I found wobble+ ( AZ house brand, not SO ) to be the best for my uses.
Getting the 1/4" set to compliment the halfer set is good. That ranges you through the sizes. But for me there was another factor to using 3/8". Heft, size and weight of a 3/8" ratchet is greater allowing more torque and thus not breaking. A 1/4 " ratchet will not take the same abuse as a slightly larger 3/8" will. None of them.
Recall reading posts saying the SO T72 ratchet is junk, the tech has to get his warranteed every week or so? Guess which young line tech really needs to step up a drive size and even a mid range ratchet will hold up where his SO 1/4" is not. The tool is not bad, his application of it is.
Yup, about three of them here over time and always the same story.
1/4" is for those tight spaces nothing else will fit. Plastic/aluminium engine parts and exaust/intake manifolds with really bad access options, (VW 1.8L water cooled) stuff of that ilk.
Then you'll tell us you don't work on that. But, one day you might have to and you'll be prepared for it. People change cars like women change shoes. You'll see them all eventually.
Anyway thats my take on it. I did make decent Taiwan tools the bulk of my kit with success in all but ratchets. Full time heavy equiptment work to late model autos. I did get a few other blingy things over time but could have lived without them.
Lol I was afride to ask what the purpose of a 12pt socket was, figured all they were good for was stripping tight bolts. That will be something I'd buy as needed in the future, but there's always a place for the craftsmen kit. I'll probably store it in my trunk.
Ahh maybe I'll buy the cheap HF extensions as well as Sunex wobblies. If they break they break. The cool thing about HF is for the price I don't mind the gamble on some of the things I just don't wanna spend another 50 bucks on extensions, but if HF breaks after its first or second use I'll spring for it then.
I'll probably spring for the 3/8" set. Do I need impact rated sockets if I use the 3/8" on a cordless ratchet? (in case I do end up getting one). I assume I don't because the ratchet isn't an impact device and it doesn't have a lot of torque. All this talk about 3/8" for tighter spaces makes me feel the chromed ones are better because they're thinner.
I remember someone saying the extendable ratchet was junk, is that the SO T72? My only thing with that is its such a cheap tool for what it offers its worth a gamble. I do have my craftsmen to fall back on for now though. It is breaking (its loose, wobbles a tiny bit), but I can always run to sears and get a new one for free.
lol I actually might need to do my exhaust soon, a lot of the clips holding it up rusted away and it shakes a lot. Ima try to rig it back up somehow, I don't know how bad it is. But it would be awesome if I get to use my 1/4" sockets right away. =P I have no problem preparing for the future. Hardly using those tools should mean they'll last forever =P
If I find those ratchets that come with the 1/4 or 3/8 kit fail me quickly, instead of mailing them in I'll just spend the bucks on a good craftsmen. We'll wait and see on that.
Ahh maybe I'll buy the cheap HF extensions as well as Sunex wobblies. If they break they break. The cool thing about HF is for the price I don't mind the gamble on some of the things
I just don't wanna spend another 50 bucks on extensions, but if HF breaks after its first or second use I'll spring for it then. I'll probably spring for the 3/8" set. Do I need impact rated sockets if I use the 3/8" on a cordless ratchet? (in case I do end up getting one). I assume I don't because the ratchet isn't an impact device and it doesn't have a lot of torque. All this talk about 3/8" for tighter spaces makes me feel the chromed ones are better because they're thinner.
I remember someone saying the extendable ratchet was junk, is that the SO T72? My only thing with that is its such a cheap tool for what it offers its worth a gamble. I do have my craftsmen to fall back on for now though. It is breaking (its loose, wobbles a tiny bit), but I can always run to sears and get a new one for free.
lol I actually might need to do my exhaust soon, a lot of the clips holding it up rusted away and it shakes a lot. Ima try to rig it back up somehow, I don't know how bad it is. But it would be awesome if I get to use my 1/4" sockets right away. =P I have no problem preparing for the future. Hardly using those tools should mean they'll last forever =P
If I find those ratchets that come with the 1/4 or 3/8 kit fail me quickly, instead of mailing them in I'll just spend the bucks on a good craftsmen. We'll wait and see on that.
d.mcfarland
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Don't spend on Craftsman ratchet. You can get much better for the same price. Look on the classifieds here for some options. People are usually very helpful in making deals!
And you do not need impact sockets for a cordless ratchet. You need impact sockets for an impact gun.
And you do not need impact sockets for a cordless ratchet. You need impact sockets for an impact gun.
First , CM and good ratchets is an oxymoron. Maybe the premium line. Or an older one. Avoid the current line.
Ratchets are a lot like choosing comfy socks. Everybody has a fave and all the rest are sub par or junk. Even if that 'junk' is someone else's favorite. You'll probably try a few out, break a few but you'll find what works for you. When its comfy and you can't break it, thus not needing a warranty, you found it.
That road was four years long for me. I found joy in Wurth offerings.
The T72 is the Snappy dual 80 version of the 1/4" ratchet, considered top of the line by many. I've never had to try one since I bought Wurth-Facom style ratchets.
I have only regular height chrome sockets in quarter and half drives. With the 3/8" I did spring for deep also because the jobs demanded it. Basic sets at that. Jobs got done.
Don't be charmed by Hansen racks, Short, regular, mid, deep and swivel socket sets in all common drive sizes as a requirement to do an occasional tune up.
That is far from the truth. Fun for the guys who do it as a hobby or obsession but not required.
Despite working with heavy stuff I never developed a taste for air or electric impacts. And I used them up to 1" drive every week. If I was forced to choose I'd go cordless electric I guess. No cords or hoses but useful life is dependent on the battery being good or future replacible.
Its a luxury for you, get what excites you. Our opinions won't make you happy in the long run.
Ratchets are a lot like choosing comfy socks. Everybody has a fave and all the rest are sub par or junk. Even if that 'junk' is someone else's favorite. You'll probably try a few out, break a few but you'll find what works for you. When its comfy and you can't break it, thus not needing a warranty, you found it.
That road was four years long for me. I found joy in Wurth offerings.
The T72 is the Snappy dual 80 version of the 1/4" ratchet, considered top of the line by many. I've never had to try one since I bought Wurth-Facom style ratchets.
I have only regular height chrome sockets in quarter and half drives. With the 3/8" I did spring for deep also because the jobs demanded it. Basic sets at that. Jobs got done.
Don't be charmed by Hansen racks, Short, regular, mid, deep and swivel socket sets in all common drive sizes as a requirement to do an occasional tune up.
That is far from the truth. Fun for the guys who do it as a hobby or obsession but not required.
Despite working with heavy stuff I never developed a taste for air or electric impacts. And I used them up to 1" drive every week. If I was forced to choose I'd go cordless electric I guess. No cords or hoses but useful life is dependent on the battery being good or future replacible.
Its a luxury for you, get what excites you. Our opinions won't make you happy in the long run.
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I have checked out the classifieds here and it would be a good place to get a ratchet wrench. If my ratchets fail I probably will swing by here first. High hopes they work out well though!
lol that sounds like a 100 dollar ratchet! Top of the line snap on yikes. A ratchet might be something I'd buy American, I'd technically only 'need' 3 (I know there are different types that spin and swivel). So spending the extra money on one that will last a long time sounds worth it. Still! That's in the future Not this buy.
I'm going for 'complete' sets so I don't have to buy more sockets in the future. My OCD wants all the sets to match Those swivel sockets did seem nifty, I just think they'd break much faster then a regular socket. Those universal joints should do me just fine and its much cheaper to buy one of those instead of a whole swivel set. As far as the sockets go, regular and deep are all I foresee me needing in the near future. Hope I don't regret saying that
I am still eyeing up a cordless electric. I hate how the batteries for it cost almost 100 bucks. It's also twice as much as the Klutch impact wrench, but it is stronger and smaller. I really do want a good impact wrench that will last ages =/ And one I can cram into tight spots. After a bit more research on them I might show a few impact wrenches on here and take opinions on whats the better bang for the buck.
and your opinions could very well make me happy! I wouldn't be buying the expensive socket set or the 1/4 and 3/8 if not for you guys. Coulda saved me the heartache of borrowing more tools from people
lol that sounds like a 100 dollar ratchet! Top of the line snap on
yikes. A ratchet might be something I'd buy American, I'd technically only 'need' 3 (I know there are different types that spin and swivel). So spending the extra money on one that will last a long time sounds worth it. Still! That's in the future Not this buy. I'm going for 'complete' sets so I don't have to buy more sockets in the future. My OCD wants all the sets to match
Those swivel sockets did seem nifty, I just think they'd break much faster then a regular socket. Those universal joints should do me just fine and its much cheaper to buy one of those instead of a whole swivel set. As far as the sockets go, regular and deep are all I foresee me needing in the near future. Hope I don't regret saying that I am still eyeing up a cordless electric. I hate how the batteries for it cost almost 100 bucks. It's also twice as much as the Klutch impact wrench, but it is stronger and smaller. I really do want a good impact wrench that will last ages =/ And one I can cram into tight spots. After a bit more research on them I might show a few impact wrenches on here and take opinions on whats the better bang for the buck.
and your opinions could very well make me happy!
I wouldn't be buying the expensive socket set or the 1/4 and 3/8 if not for you guys. Coulda saved me the heartache of borrowing more tools from people actually, for SO anyway, the chrome and impact sockets are damn nearly the same "bulk" for each size...the impacts are a tad heavier, though...
i use my chrome snappys on my MG31 3/8 impact(which is sacrilege around here) and they've been holding up just fine...just that the chrome on the drive end of the 13 and 15 is starting to peel
i use my chrome snappys on my MG31 3/8 impact(which is sacrilege around here) and they've been holding up just fine...just that the chrome on the drive end of the 13 and 15 is starting to peel
ez-duzit
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Good point about the Hansen racks! Personally I like (good quality) rails so I can take a complete set of sockets right to the job. I do have a toolcart that I roll up to the job usually, but for quick jobs outside the shop, the rails give me more mobility. Same with wrench racks, I like the plastic Craftsman ones! Cut off the handle to save space, grab em and go! Good for you for getting 1/4" and 3/8" tools! Good point Kracin!!
I thought I read somewhere the chrome were thinner, maybe it was bad information. I'll try to measure it and see when I get the impact set.
Thanks Kracin and Haveblue!!
I'm guessing no one hates my updated list... I know it might not be what some of you would pick, but at least you think it's good enough. I do have one more dilemma After someone mentioned the impact wrench might not be strong enough I went searching for another. The new one I found is more powerful, and it is also smaller! So it can fight into the tight spaces.
http://www.qualitytoolsforless.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=42589&gclid=CPXAupTVs74CFavm7AodNBoAng
^ Almost twice as much money ($250 before sale price)
More then half the size (length is 6.75 inches)
480ft lbs of torque (12% more powerful)
A fraction of the weight (3.63 lbs)
3000 Impacts Per Minute
It has 5 different torque settings which I find to be a huge plus.
"625 ft-lbs of max. breakaway torque" - Don't know how they calculated that so I can't compare it to the Klutch one. Sounds nice though!
Battery powered, comes with 2 batteries.
And just to make it easier for comparison:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200596347_200596347
^$130
Over 13 inches long (hugeee)
425 ft lbs torque
Weighs 11lbs
2440 Impacts Per Minute
Its corded, so it can never die but I have to lug around a cord.
I know I like to be cheap, but this wrench is something I don't want to be cheap on. Buy it once and be set for a decade, that's my goal. I know I'd have to replace those $125 batteries once or twice in those 10 years, I'd probably mainly use one just so I won't have to replace them both at the same time.. Maybe I can get an extra year or so out of 'em. So what do you think, is it worth the extra bucks?
And I think this will be my last question on what to buy, I'm happy with everything else. You can still chime in if you know of something around those prices that you think is better.
Thank you all for your input! Except Ez-duzit.
I'll try to measure it and see when I get the impact set. Thanks Kracin and Haveblue!!
I'm guessing no one hates my updated list... I know it might not be what some of you would pick, but at least you think it's good enough. I do have one more dilemma
After someone mentioned the impact wrench might not be strong enough I went searching for another. The new one I found is more powerful, and it is also smaller! So it can fight into the tight spaces.http://www.qualitytoolsforless.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=42589&gclid=CPXAupTVs74CFavm7AodNBoAng
^ Almost twice as much money ($250 before sale price)
More then half the size (length is 6.75 inches)
480ft lbs of torque (12% more powerful)
A fraction of the weight (3.63 lbs)
3000 Impacts Per Minute
It has 5 different torque settings which I find to be a huge plus.
"625 ft-lbs of max. breakaway torque" - Don't know how they calculated that so I can't compare it to the Klutch one. Sounds nice though!
Battery powered, comes with 2 batteries.
And just to make it easier for comparison:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200596347_200596347
^$130
Over 13 inches long (hugeee)
425 ft lbs torque
Weighs 11lbs
2440 Impacts Per Minute
Its corded, so it can never die but I have to lug around a cord.
I know I like to be cheap, but this wrench is something I don't want to be cheap on. Buy it once and be set for a decade, that's my goal. I know I'd have to replace those $125 batteries once or twice in those 10 years, I'd probably mainly use one just so I won't have to replace them both at the same time.. Maybe I can get an extra year or so out of 'em. So what do you think, is it worth the extra bucks?
And I think this will be my last question on what to buy, I'm happy with everything else. You can still chime in if you know of something around those prices that you think is better.
Thank you all for your input! Except Ez-duzit.
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The simple answer is, buy what works for you. Dig in, and get a few jobs under your belt.as you do them..think about what tools may make the job easier. Dont get caught up in the chrome...as in (dont let all those shiny tools you dont need tempt you) buy tools that will pay for themselves, problem solvers, if they cant do that, they are not worth owning! You are on the right track champ!
They don't stay shiny for to long lol. I do try to clean them after I use them. Just not good, quick wipe is all they get. I'm only going for the chrome because it's cheaper then the black impact sockets. I should eventually use all these tools, I'll even find an excuse to break out the 4mm socket Thanks for your inspirational words!
Thanks for your inspirational words! ibedayank
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read this thread
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136120
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136120
scarney1988
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I am going to echo some of the comments on here about forgoing a powered impact wrench in order to build a more complete hand tool set.
You will not be upset with the 1/4" drive set you got. That and a 3/8" set will quickly prove themselves when you begin doing things other than brake pad slaps and tire rotations. Less hand fatigue should have you reaching for them sooner than later lol.
Some things to consider in place of the impact:
Brake caliper brush: Use it on every brake job
Brake caliper piston compressor: Not mandatory, but I def like it. speeds up brake jobs.
Mini pick set: undoing electrical connectors, interior tear down, loosening vacuum lines (like rad hose pick set), etc...
Pry bars: Use these all the time. Mainly suspension work, but really anytime you need to move something that crucial fraction of an inch that is the difference between Done and Not Done
Magnetic pick up tool & inspection mirror: Use both daily.
Brake drum tool set: Don't use these daily, but when you need them... you need them.
Hope I have given you some food for thought.
Good luck.
post back with what you do purchase, we like to see pictures
You will not be upset with the 1/4" drive set you got. That and a 3/8" set will quickly prove themselves when you begin doing things other than brake pad slaps and tire rotations. Less hand fatigue should have you reaching for them sooner than later lol.
Some things to consider in place of the impact:
Brake caliper brush: Use it on every brake job
Brake caliper piston compressor: Not mandatory, but I def like it. speeds up brake jobs.
Mini pick set: undoing electrical connectors, interior tear down, loosening vacuum lines (like rad hose pick set), etc...
Pry bars: Use these all the time. Mainly suspension work, but really anytime you need to move something that crucial fraction of an inch that is the difference between Done and Not Done
Magnetic pick up tool & inspection mirror: Use both daily.
Brake drum tool set: Don't use these daily, but when you need them... you need them.
Hope I have given you some food for thought.
Good luck.
post back with what you do purchase, we like to see pictures
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I gotta get that impact, I'm gonna just go all out this time I guess. I'm going for the nicer impact gun that's like $250. I already have the caliper compressor, forgot to list it as things I have.
I might just get that 2 dollar caliper brush pack from HF, I doubt it would last more then one or two uses, but we'll see how useful it is. I don't think(could be wrong) a nice one would last to long either though.
I don't know if I got lucky, but when I had to fiddle with my break drums (for the e-break) I just used pliers to remove and put back the springs. I don't know if that could have broke them, but it worked out well.
The mini pick set, magnetic, inspection mirror, and pry bars are on my next buy list now, already spending to much this year.
Thanks for your input!
and I'll be sure to post pictures on the new tool thread. Maybe even a youtube link for the impact gun! I have faith it will be boss.