Tool Terminology

[Hantke]

I've been having issues with the Instructor terminology prepping for this semester, really annoying because some things are what the tool does, others are names that are combines / made up etc. I'm really narrowing down the list though, and now trying to make a decision
For the next couple semesters i need these:
Brake Hold down spring tool
Brake return spring tool

Would this be the tool? <-- Screw driver styled do-hickey
Might also need this? <-- pliers

Punch:
Center 3/8, Starter 1/8, Pin 1/8

So i've seen different opinion on center VS starter pins, feel free to comment on these to. (The punch terminology is admittedly a personal lack of knowledge and wikipedia isn't helping.
I've read debate on Starter punch vs starter roll punch etc. I've gotten mixed results. I like th look of roll pin starter punches, but think the tapered ones look funky, and the uniform ones look like a center punch to me. But if i get a Roll pin starter punch, how does that vary from a regular Pin punch? the pictures look the same to me. Thinking i should probably just buy a punch and chisel set, that way when it comes time to use it, i have what i need. (I know what and when to use different punches, but no idea which is which from personal experience)

 

[NoNN37]

Brake Hold down spring tool
Brake return spring tool

Would this be the tool? <-- Screw driver styled do-hickey
Might also need this? <-- pliers
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These two tools are accomplish the same task. just different method.
The first one grabs the spring so you can pull it.

THe second one uses one end as leverage to pull the other as pliers are closed.

youll also need something like this to remove the clips on the shoes.

 

[3baygarage]

The pliers do it all for installing/removing. You also need the hold down spring tool then.

Punches can be confusing. A center (***** punch) is to make or mark a hole. A starter is tapered, pin is straight.

A pin punch can drive right through a hole of equal size whereas a tapered punch would not go as far, but heavier made for starting to drive something out.

May want to consider a craftsman punch set with everything. When the little ones break you can exchange them. Snap On has nice sets but yes, they break too.

 

[dr_clyde]

The pliers do it all for installing/removing. You also need the hold down spring tool then.

Punches can be confusing. A center (***** punch) is to make or mark a hole. A starter is tapered, pin is straight.

A pin punch can drive right through a hole of equal size whereas a tapered punch would not go as far, but heavier made for starting to drive something out.

May want to consider a craftsman punch set with everything. When the little ones break you can exchange them. Snap On has nice sets but yes, they break too.

You can replace a snap on punch just as easily as a craftsman. I have both, the snappy is a far better punch set.

 

[Hantke]

Okay cool, thanks!, I figured center was for marking, but the starters i saw all had points like a pin, i'll make sure i get some without it. I don't plan on ordering from amazon (just really useful for links). I probably won't get craftsman because nobody out here sells it, i'd have to drive 45ish minutes on a good day to lows / home depot right now, may just get a cheap harbor freight set for a couple bucks and go from there. Probably get snappy or matco in the long run though. Thank you!

wow that's a waste, so should i only get one? or both since they are cheap and decide which i like better? they didn't say to get a pair of those pliers, but i think i will anyways since i plan on getting an older truck which currently has drum brakes.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Hantky, I have a few extra pairs of the pliers, I can mail you a set for just what it costs for the postage...Richie
PM me if you are interested

 

[theoldwizard1]

THIS is a Brake hold down spring tool

If you are working on drum brakes, a good set of needle nose ViceGrips comes in handy.

 

[Hantke]

Hantky, I have a few extra pairs of the pliers, I can mail you a set for just what it costs for the postage...Richie
PM me if you are interested

When i start up my next job, if they don't give me one of the extra's I might, thank you for the offer though! I also heard we are required to buy certain things at the school, so that my be one of them as well.
I just saw your'e in central washington, I lived in Olympia when i was little, and my dad still lives in Lynnwood, not very central, but i drive up that way surprisingly often (except recently, i've been slacking).
I don't know if Kelso / Longview is too long a drive, but there is a kennedy chest for sale for $40 up there i was looking at, but can't make it right now.

THIS is a Brake hold down spring tool

Thank you, i'll end up figuring it out eventually (what they want specifically) haha

 

[Richard Cranium]

I am in the Yakima Area... about 3 hours from seattle/longview

 

[theoldwizard1]

THIS is a Brake return spring tool

View media item 39342
The important part of the tool is on the end of each handle (see inset)

This video show how it is used.

 

[joecon]

A center punch is to mark a spot for drilling.
A starter punch is to make a hole to put a screw in[it is pointy and tapered].
A pin punch is a uniform size to drive a pin out of the same size hole.

A roll pin punch has a bump on the end to center it in the roll pin a roll pin starter punch
has a hole to put the roll pin in to make it smaller and easier to start.

 

[ZRX61]

Tapered punches also used to align stuff. (bolt holes etc)

 

[ZRX61]

How about transfer punches

 

[Hantke]

I am in the Yakima Area... about 3 hours from seattle/longview

Oh, cool! i kind of know the area, but not all too well, i'm off right on the edge of a redneck town with 2 bars, a mini mart, and a napa inside the farm store, and Pacific university on the other side in a stoner town. probably never heard of gaston.

THIS is a Brake return spring tool

View media item 39342
The important part of the tool is on the end of each handle (see inset)

This video show how it is used.

Interesting, thank you!

A center punch is to mark a spot for drilling.
A starter punch is to make a hole to put a screw in[it is pointy and tapered].
A pin punch is a uniform size to drive a pin out of the same size hole.

A roll pin punch has a bump on the end to center it in the roll pin a roll pin starter punch
has a hole to put the roll pin in to make it smaller and easier to start.

Tapered punches also used to align stuff. (bolt holes etc)

But a starter is uniformly tapered, correct?

How about transfer punches

Don't forget drift punches

 

[Richard Cranium]

You are right, I have never heard of Gaston.

 

[Tbirdtc]

Keep in mind cheap brake spring pliers don't really work(auto part store models)
But on the flip side u may never use them after school drums are gone newes drums are 20 years old on rear of trucks and I have done a lot of drum brakes n I use a vice grip
U will likely do 1 or 2 sets of drums a year if u work in a small shop if u get a job at a new car store u may never see any and the old techs have those in there junk drawer n may give them away As somone offered here and ur welcome to mine too haven't used them in 15 + years just realized I had them cleaning out a old box

 

[T_Roze]

I prefer the plier style. The screw down clamping style works in some circumstances, but the pliers style works better in my opinion because it spreads the force over both springs, when there is two.

I use a needle nose vice grip for the hold down spring retainers. Works well with just moderate pressure.

Buy decent quality pliers. Drums are still around in new vehicles, and fighting with springs and skinning your knuckles cause your needle nose let go isn't fun!!

 

[Outlawmws]

you guys forgot about sucker punches: used on that jerk that "borrows" tools and doesn't return them...

 

[theoldwizard1]

Don't forget drift punches

A drift, in general, is made out of a softer material, such as brass, and will deform (mushroom) instead of the work piece deforming.

 

[Marcos45/70]

A center punch is to mark a spot for drilling.
A starter punch is to make a hole to put a screw in[it is pointy and tapered].
A pin punch is a uniform size to drive a pin out of the same size hole.

A roll pin punch has a bump on the end to center it in the roll pin a roll pin starter punch
has a hole to put the roll pin in to make it smaller and easier to start.

Thanks, I may print this out and hang it on my shop 'fridge for my brother who uses my punches for everything but what they're intended for.

 

[Outlawmws]

A center punch is to mark a spot for drilling.
A starter punch is to make a hole to put a screw in[it is pointy and tapered].
A pin punch is a uniform size to drive a pin out of the same size hole.

A roll pin punch has a bump on the end to center it in the roll pin.
A roll pin starter punch as a hole to put the roll pin in to make it smaller and easier to start.
A sucker punch is what happens when you use the wrong punch for the wrong purpose!

Thanks, I may print this out and hang it on my shop 'fridge for my brother who uses my punches for everything but what they're intended for.

Fixed it for you!

 

[joecon]

A transfer punch is to mark the center of a hole when you are making two parts
that get bolted together it hits in tight in one hole than the small point marks the
center on the other piece when you hit it.
Their are a lot of different kinds of punches an old machine shop book will tell you
most of them.

 

[Hantke]

That's a good call on the machine shop book, I don't see a need for much more than what has been stated, and learning about more tools with more uses is just an excuse for me to go buy even more tools!

RichardCranium, if not gaston what about gales creek? i'm closer to gales creek, but more people have heard of gaston so it's usually my first question.