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phoenixautorepairs

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hey guys i want to make sure my toolboxes suddenly dont disappear one night whats the best way to secure them to the floor or wall. is it possible to fit a alarm to them?. ive two 40" rollcabs and two 26" rollcabs plus lockers on both. at the min ive them all bolted together to try and stop them moving but id really like to make them more secure. any ideas??
 
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gc11090

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Dear god if anyone can move all that together they deserve the tools haha. A friend of mine has a gps tracker in his box.
 

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Get a floor brake installed. Place it so in order to unlock it, you have to stick your foot in further under the box. This would both make it harder to see, and harder to find. Random people would not guess that is there, since most people just look at the wheel locks, and go from there.
 

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add them in your homeowners. Nothing can stop a good theif other than a bullet
 

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do you move them?
if you dont then take off the wheels

you could also put an anchor in the floor and install a padlock underneath

bob
 

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add them in your homeowners. Nothing can stop a good theif other than a bullet

^^^^

this :thumbup:

work tools are covered by my employer, even while in my service truck, for replacement value.

tools in the garage are covered by homeowners for replacement costs.

if the thief manages to get past a watchful neighbor, his 3 dogs, my dog, all he has to do is get to the end of the driveway before the 1st bullet hits.


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hey guys i want to make sure my toolboxes suddenly dont disappear one night whats the best way to secure them to the floor or wall. is it possible to fit a alarm to them?. ive two 40" rollcabs and two 26" rollcabs plus lockers on both. at the min ive them all bolted together to try and stop them moving but id really like to make them more secure. any ideas??

If it's at the house, maybe bolting them to the floor or garage will slow em down (nothing can really stop a determined thief...except bullets)

I did see an alarm system on that Cool Tools TV show. Who knows if the product actually made it to market (i don't have much luck finding some of those Cool Tools in the places I shop)

Also...they do make those small battery powered alarms people use on their house windows (can find them at dollar store). Might work. If I were a thief, I'd break that alarm with my hammer in about 2 seconds, though.

Also, do all the smart preventive things (lighting, locks on the door, good neighbors, trim the bushes, etc.)
 

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You could pull the drawers out, drill a couple holes in the back wall, and lag bolt it to the studs of the wall behind it. I'd also recommend taking the wheels off and adding your tools to your homeowners insurance. I wouldn't recommend the GPS tracker though; the metal box will pretty much act like a Faraday cage and render the tracker completely useless.
 

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i will be surprise if thief will raid a house andgo after THE tools. i would think electronics, jewelries and othe high price (or go to the safe) and easier to sell items then tools unless the thief lurks in this board.
 

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I like the bullet idea but up here in good ol' Canada that'll get you life in prison! ;)

I worry about the security of my garage/toolboxes as well but I'm not about to take the wheels off or bolt them to the floor. I like to be able to wheel it around the shop. I've just done some preventative things (motion lighting, good visibility, good neighbors, 2 dogs with great hearing, wireless motion sensor hooked into my monitored alarm system, windows covered when I'm not around, garage door NEVER left open unattended, deadbolt on the door and i'm very careful about who is allowed into the yard and garage). That and my garage contents are covered under my homeowner's policy. I figure if someone breaks in while i'm not around, they'll likely be caught heading off with a big orange toolbox(unless they're in a van). They'd better be fast as well because police response with the alarm is usually pretty quick here (smaller town with both federal and municipal police - both respond). If all else fails, I have the insurance :thumbup:

My wife used to think I was paranoid and a little OCD about security but as time goes on, she's starting to see that a little bit of prevention and cynicism can give a lot in the way of peace of mind!
 

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Are your boxes at work place or at home? Burglar alarm and security cameras at your workplace should help deter theft, but if the thieves have enough time, they will find a way. Deadbolts on all garage doors is the best, deny them access to the garage/shop area (or at least slow them down)... as long as people use them. We have secured doors and security cameras at my place of work, and rooms with tools/equipment are kept locked when not in use.
I have a nice big log chain secured to my roller tool cabinets anchored to an eyehook in the concrete floor, with enough slack to allow me to move the box around. Jetz's floor brake idea is a good one too. You've got the right idea with bolting your roller cabinets together, makes it really difficult to get them out of the building. Thief will usually not steal something if its too much trouble or time-consuming, they want to get in and get out with the loot quick.
 
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the boxes are in my own garage about 200ft from my house the doors into the garage are plate steel but the large doors for cars trucks etc are only sheet tin bolted to a steel frame the garage itself is 30ft by 60ft with a height of 25ft so its a big space to try and cover with cameras etc and one one side is a hedge that is belong to a neighbour that i cant cut. ive had problems before with thieves so shooting them is out and i live in ireland and over here it is impossible to insure tools even on my business policy. this is the reason im desperate to make sure no one can steel my tools!
 

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An old friend of mine had a problem with tools going missing during the night shift, so he took large floor mats like the ones you see at store entrances, and soaked them with a garden hose, and place 360 degrees around the rollaway, and then connected his arc welder leads to the box, and placed the welder in a secure closet that had restricted acess and also the outlet, the next day he was told of one of the techs had let out a huge yell and requested to go home early and said he didn't feel well. He hasn't had a problem with his box since.
 

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An old friend of mine had a problem with tools going missing during the night shift, so he took large floor mats like the ones you see at store entrances, and soaked them with a garden hose, and place 360 degrees around the rollaway, and then connected his arc welder leads to the box, and placed the welder in a secure closet that had restricted acess and also the outlet, the next day he was told of one of the techs had let out a huge yell and requested to go home early and said he didn't feel well. He hasn't had a problem with his box since.

glad that worked my luck i'ld forget i did it
 

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If your worried about protecting your own property by shooting them. Just shoot them throw them into the back of your pickup and take them over to your ex-wife house and toss them in her pool.
 
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I like the electric fence idea or you could just put your box in your bedroom so you wake up if anybody steals it and you get to stare at it all night:bounce:
 

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To the OP, ignore the guys having fun with it, please, most of them live in areas where you have the right to defend yourself and your property, I realize that is not an option for you. And the 'set gun' approach to booby trapping is unlawful anywhere in the US, so the guys again are having some fun.

So ignoring the fun though unlawful things, There are some ways to keep your tools more safe but really, we would need more information.

If the boxes are not really high end i.e. SnapOn, Lista, Vidmar, Matco, Mac, then the locks are probably useless, so you would need to cover the boxes. My first thought would be a wrought iron cage with the boxes inside, that after you secure the boxes you lock the cage. Shouldn't cost more than one single box does new, and probably less.

Cheaper but commonly used method is chain link cage.

Boxes can be very tightly locked with 1/4 by 2 inch metal bars strategically welded and locked in place over the drawers. I've seen that in garages in the bad parts of town.

On general theft, again it depends on your thief and neighborhood.

Common thieves like teens looking for pawn-able stuff for drugs/pocket money, lights and high visibility does the trick.

On the cheap, get some motion detector lights and position them inside the shop, the dual head light, about 15 dollars locally, with one head a bright light, the other with a cord going to a 'noise maker' some simple but LOUD siren etc.

A pro is going to get to your tools, but really, how many professional thieves target small shops?
 

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Boxes can be very tightly locked with 1/4 by 2 inch metal bars strategically welded and locked in place over the drawers. I've seen that in garages in the bad parts of town.

On general theft, again it depends on your thief and neighborhood.

Common thieves like teens looking for pawn-able stuff for drugs/pocket money, lights and high visibility does the trick.

On the cheap, get some motion detector lights and position them inside the shop, the dual head light, about 15 dollars locally, with one head a bright light, the other with a cord going to a 'noise maker' some simple but LOUD siren etc.

A pro is going to get to your tools, but really, how many professional thieves target small shops?

Some good advice here... I went back and read your posts and pulled the following criteria from them:
1. The tools are at your personal garage.
2. The garage is detached at quite a distance (did I see 200 feet) from the house.
3. You've had problems with thieves before.
4. Insurance won't cover the replacement of the tools.

I think that I'd put a steel plate with a big eye in the floor (I'm assuming a concrete floor). Maybe even bust a hole in the existing concrete and concrete the plate in. That way you can run a large chain through the concreted eye and similar eyes put in your toolboxes with padlocks. I think that I'd also look at putting some metal straps with locks across the drawers. However make sure your metal cutting tools and bolt cutters are locked up or the effort would be useless.

I like the motion detector idea as well. Do you have the capability to run wires for an alarm back to your house for a light/alarm?
 

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snap on locks work great

You probably have never had to deal with kids (by law, actually thugs) breaking into your stores to steal things. They don't use tools well, or guess what, they ain't breaking into your place...

We defeated many 'youthful high spirited children' with simple things like mono-filament line holding things in place.

We used 'cash controllers' (odd type of safe) that I could punch in my shop in about five minutes.
In 700 robberies and 1300 burglaries they only managed to get in three. Two by getting the manager to open them (took thirty minutes for the timer, they waited) and one they stole. The brain damaged installer forgot to bolt it in...

Thieves are usually drunk/stoned, almost always stupid, and always in a hurry.
 

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Just remember locks only keep honest people honest. This is as good a place as any to tell you guys about security of a tool box. About 2 years ago I had all of my 25+ years worth of tools stolen from the dealership I was working at.
Save you all the details of my thoughts on why I believed that a large,heavy box would be security enough. The thieves backed a truck with a liftgate in to the service department,used a customers truck to push, 2 95th anv. harley boxes,kr 760,kr 1001 and a mac box on the lift. then proceeded to take some decent inventory from the parts dept. locked the truck gate and drove off. So I would agree that nothing short of that bullet would stop a determined thief.

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Weld, rivet or somehow attach your top box to the bottom box so that it can't be carried off. Install an eye bolt in the floor under the box and one on the bottom of the tool box chain them together with a good padlock. Make sure that it's far enough under the box that it can't be reached with bolt cutters.
 

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"Insurance won't cover the replacement of the tools."

Is this true? I have been living under the assumption that my home owners policy covers my house and it's contents.
 

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renters insurance covers my tools. i asked my agent, and he said if i replace them with new ones, they will pay for it, they just wont cut me a check if they are stolen...i think thats what he said...ima have to call him.
 

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i will be surprise if thief will raid a house andgo after THE tools. i would think electronics, jewelries and othe high price (or go to the safe) and easier to sell items then tools unless the thief lurks in this board.

I hear that tools are pretty high on the list
 

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Insuance may or may not cover, be sure to ask. I do know that without a catlog # or specific part # they did not cover. (I did not have mine insured,the stepped up with their insurance)
The real idea is to slow the theif down, You will never stop them.
 

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If your worried about protecting your own property by shooting them. Just shoot them throw them into the back of your pickup and take them over to your ex-wife house and toss them in her pool.

Good idea but the pool is most likely your's if it belongs to your ex.......:lol_hitti
 
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in ireland it is impossible to insure tools i know this because in 2007 the wifes landrover went on fire and burnt the workshop to the ground i thought i had the tools insured for 100,000euro but its in the small print that you can insure equipment ie compressor, hyd press etc but not hand tools.
 
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phoenixautorepairs

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the boxes are all snap on. the floor is 11" thick concrete the walls are 12" concrete blocks so i could bolt the boxes to the wall but that still wouldnt stop someone breaking into the drawers. ive a lot of high end stuff in the drawers and lockers so i like the idea of a steel cage to suround them.
 

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I would look into a cage then. It would **** to have to open the cage every day to move the box in and out of every day. But it is better than being out of tools and having to deal with insurance and replacing the tools.
 

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the boxes are all snap on. the floor is 11" thick concrete the walls are 12" concrete blocks so i could bolt the boxes to the wall but that still wouldnt stop someone breaking into the drawers. ive a lot of high end stuff in the drawers and lockers so i like the idea of a steel cage to suround them.

I'd chain the boxes to the floor or wall and then add the cage or some kind of bars to block the drawers when locked. It's not going to stop a determined thief but it would definitely make them slow down.

I still like the idea of the motion detector light. Have a really bright light on one and hook the other end to a stereo. You'd have to remember to turn the volume up/down at the right times.

...another idea... Why not roll the tool boxes in front of the garage door (inside) and padlock them to the garage door rails on each side? That way a thief would HAVE to spend the time to cut the chains and move the boxes before they took anything big. Of course YOU would have to move them most mornings and evenings to get vehicles in.
 

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How about bolting the top to the bottom installing an eye bolt in (through) the concrete floor and another to the back or bottom of the lower box. Then, when you are done for the day, turn the tool boxes so the drawers are against the wall and chain it all down?

Ray
 
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