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Tools for Removing and Installing a Windshield?

redvalkyrie

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The time has come to remove the old front windshield and install a new seal and glass on my autocross 82 Toyota Starlet. It has the big old school rubber that goes around the entire windshield. I have the rubber and the glass. I haven't found any good info on what tools I'll need.

Anyone have any recommendations? The shop wants $350 to do it...So, I figure I have that much to play with in buying decent tools. This will be my first windshield install but I'm "pretty" sure I can handle it. And I figure it won't be my last as the cost of windshield replacement on older cars is going through the roof. The shop actually wanted $1500 before I told them I had the glass and rubber. My cost on the rubber and glass was $250 from the dealer. That's a significant markup by the shop. The last time I had a window replaced the technician actually broke the window leaving glass all over the inside of the car...and he did this while I was watching him. He made it right but Jesus...I went in with a small chip and they broke the entire window? Yikes.

Your help is appreciated!

Thanks
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String in the gasket all the way around and lay windshield on top then pull string around while the gasket pulls out and let windshield lay into the groove.
 

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Pretty much what Marlyn said except add some lube to the rubber and all will go easy peasy. I don't know how many veedub windshields I've done this way but it works like a charm.

I cant believe a glass company was going to charge $350 for about ten minutes of labor.
 

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Liquid soap as lube. 100LB fishing leader, an ice pick and a pair of gloves. It's a 30 second job in experienced hands.
 

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If it's an auto cross car, why do you need a windshield?
Remove all the windows and wear a helmet with face shield or glasses.

If you really want a windshield, the old one is removed with a utility knife by cutting the robber and pulling the windshield and then the rubber.

To put the new one in there are a couple of methods but they are similar.

Put the rubber on the windshield, putt he rubber with the windshield on the lower lip in the opening and with a screwdriver or blinded pick you pull the remainder of the windshield gasket around.
It's the same idea with the string but I never got that to work like other have. I doesn't take me long to use the pick, it is similar to how you see a tire getting rolled over the rim.
The trick I have found after you have the windshield in, is that you grab the windshield with your hands by reaching one hand around the A pillar. And you wiggle the windshield a little and you will be able to feel it settle into its " happy place" . I think most people just rely on the vibration from driving the car to settle the windshield in place but on the older cars with a stainless trim I like to settle the windshield in before butting the trim on

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redvalkyrie

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Because I drive it the site and do the Hot Rod power tour with it. *@#$It's registered for the road and I do drive it fairly often. *@#$Plus, *@#$I already run a tough class-- SMII. *@#$I "think" No windshield would bump me up a class into the full blown arrive on a trailer class. *@#$And I drive it regularly. *@#$Yeah, *@#$with a four point cage, *@#$fixed buckets, five point harnesses, no AC, and an exhaust that comes right off the header and goes into a open side pipe that runs out the just behind the driver's door. *@#$I can handle all of that but no windshield would be one step too far for more.

I appreciate your advise, Bob. *@#$As well as everyone else's. *@#$I don't feel so clueless now.

Car in question:



Rubber in question:





 

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Don't know what area you're in but I'd check around with some of the independent mobile installers. Around here, you can get a windshield (glass + labor) installed for popular cars like a camry or CRV for around $200.
 

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The last time I had a window replaced the technician actually broke the window leaving glass all over the inside of the car...and he did this while I was watching....

Here's your answer.
You think you're better than a professional.
It's a 250 dollar layman bet to save you 350 against a professional.

Never bet on the amateur.
 

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The last time I had a window replaced the technician actually broke the window leaving glass all over the inside of the car...and he did this while I was watching....

Here's your answer.
You think you're better than a professional.
It's a 250 dollar layman bet to save you 350 against a professional.

Never bet on the amateur.

IIRC OP said he was quoted 350 on top of the 250 for parts, so its $600ish in total...in other words he saves enough spare change for a mulligan :thumbup:

That being said, I agree the windshield replacemnet costs seem extravagant at the quoted prices and you may be able to do better (depending on location, tho who knows).
 
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Just replaced the windshield on my car 2 weeks ago, guy came to my house and did it on the driveway in 30 mins. 310 CAD
 

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If the w/s is factory or installed correctly there will be a lot of urethane adhered to both the glass and rubber

If you already have a new rubber to use, cut the old rubber parallel to the glass from the outside with a long razor knife. I like this kind in 18".

https://www.dkhardware.com/standard...t-22908.html?gclid=CLymyviWh9UCFQ-Ofgod8YUHSg
Or you can make your own by flattening the last inch of a 18" or so piece of conduit. When all of the outside rubber is removed cut around the edge. Then repeat from the inside. If you are trying to reuse the old glass, the process is the same just go slowly and be more careful. Clean pinchweld, well.
To install... put rubber on the glass then insert parachord or slightly larger clothes line type rope All the way into pinchweld slot overlapping 5" or so at the bottom. Use a 3/16 flat screwdriver or a hook tool (cotter key remover) Wilde is a good brand available from harry Epstein for $4.25. Use 100% silicone spray on inside half of the rubber, and pinchweld. Have a unhamfisted buddy or two apply pressure holding the w/s in place as you pull the rope straight away from the w/s with your hand always next to the glass at 90 degree angle to the edge.(important). Gentle slapping with open flat hand can help seat the glass after you get around the bottom corners. Go 8" or so at a time then switch Rope ends. If the rubber doesn't pull over p/w in spots stop right away and fix with the hook. Tap it in with open hand whenever it is barley folding over...easy money.
pm if you want and I'll talk you through it on the phone.
So...Wilde hook, flat razor knife and clothes line...And sealer if you want

I'm Phil, I'm new, happy to be here
 
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redvalkyrie

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Thank you for the replies fellas. They've been very helpful.

I think what people are missing is that this is an 82 Starlet. Tell me the last time you saw one? We're not dealing with a 67 Mustang where parts and knowledge are available everywhere. Hence, nobody wants to touch it for a reasonable price.

Never bet on the amateur.

I'd bet on me if I was you.
 

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When I was replacing my windshield and researching for tools to buy.... there is/was this Spider tool.... that stands out really well... they have a lot of demo of it on youtube...

Just google up "WRD spider tool" or equalizer viper ..... I think there are different brand of the similar tool..
http://www.wrdglasstools.com/


Mine was gasketless ones.... and I fractured it already... So I just used a
multi tool with a scraper attachment ..... the one for removal caulking. I think they sell something like the equalizer ( a sawzall like tool) with a long reach blades also.... There are some ppl in youtube adapted the blade to work on the sawzall....
 

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this is the equalizer Viper.... functions the same as the WRT spider....

 

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If the w/s is factory or installed correctly there will be a lot of urethane adhered to both the glass and rubber

If you already have a new rubber to use, cut the old rubber parallel to the glass from the outside with a long razor knife. I like this kind in 18".

https://www.dkhardware.com/standard...t-22908.html?gclid=CLymyviWh9UCFQ-Ofgod8YUHSg
Or you can make your own by flattening the last inch of a 18" or so piece of conduit. When all of the outside rubber is removed cut around the edge. Then repeat from the inside. If you are trying to reuse the old glass, the process is the same just go slowly and be more careful. Clean pinchweld, well.
To install... put rubber on the glass then insert parachord or slightly larger clothes line type rope All the way into pinchweld slot overlapping 5" or so at the bottom. Use a 3/16 flat screwdriver or a hook tool (cotter key remover) Wilde is a good brand available from harry Epstein for $4.25. Use 100% silicone spray on inside half of the rubber, and pinchweld. Have a unhamfisted buddy or two apply pressure holding the w/s in place as you pull the rope straight away from the w/s with your hand always next to the glass at 90 degree angle to the edge.(important). Gentle slapping with open flat hand can help seat the glass after you get around the bottom corners. Go 8" or so at a time then switch Rope ends. If the rubber doesn't pull over p/w in spots stop right away and fix with the hook. Tap it in with open hand whenever it is barley folding over...easy money.
pm if you want and I'll talk you through it on the phone.
So...Wilde hook, flat razor knife and clothes line...And sealer if you want

I'm Phil, I'm new, happy to be here

What he said...

I did body work for 10 years a long time ago. Put many windshields in. Scenicruiser described the method I used perfectly.
 
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redvalkyrie

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Thank you Dogdog--I haven't seen that before but it seems like a great idea.

What he said...

I agree. Seems pretty straight forward and I have all of those tools he listed. I think Toyota did use an RTV like sealant in addition to the gasket. The gasket is one piece from the factory. You can see where my current gasket was cut at the corners to make installation easier for whoever did it last.
 

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Thank you for the replies fellas. They've been very helpful.

I think what people are missing is that this is an 82 Starlet. Tell me the last time you saw one? We're not dealing with a 67 Mustang where parts and knowledge are available everywhere. Hence, nobody wants to touch it for a reasonable price.



I'd bet on me if I was you.



Tell 'em it's a corolla.
 

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I wouldnt use string
have always used clothes line.
Anything thinner could cut the rubber
If you use lube the butyl rubber or urethane wont stick
helps to have an extra hand to put slight pressure on the glass right where youre pulling the rope.
Seal it up by inserting a sharpened paint stirring stick between the gasket and glass and squirt in some butyl rubber or urethane. do same between gasket and metal frame.
If you ever have any work to do on this area again I would consider converting to a glue in windshield by enlarging the frame on inside and gluing trim on outside.
 

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I did auto glass for 5 years. I agree with the comments above, it may not be worth the risk, especially if you don't want a leak. I would never recommend doing a mid century domestic with chrome trims, but this is a Toyota, it is possible you'll succeed. Professionals know all the tricks and have all the small details that add up-tools, solvents, windshield rack. Hell, even disposal is a pain. A pro would probably do this job in 20-60 minutes. You could be stuck without any unbroken window on your side of the pacific-there is risk you will break the new one.

The original description is pretty close, but I'll add a bit...

I've never seen a starlet up close, but I think the old Tercels and Corollas were rubber gasket(most were rusted into retirement by the time I did this). You will want a hook tool and smooth synthetic rope (the white stuff, think it's nylon, it is less abrasive and lower friction). And probably a couple buddies if you don't know what you are doing.

I would practice by removing the old one. Remove wiper arms and any other cowling or trim parts in the way. Check to see if hard adhesive is between car body and gasket, and gasket and windshield. You can use plastic stick or olfa blade to separate. Climb in the car with a buddy and using spread out hands put even pressure along the top of the windshield. Important detail is spread out the force, you don't want to crack the window.

While pushing lightly on the glass, use hook tool to start to unhook the inner lip of gasket. Start at one corner. It is an import car, not a POS domestic, so it will likely start to release easily. You can continue to push along the top and sides. Once top three sides are out, unhook bottom corners and by now the windshield should be near vertical.

Climb out of the car, and lift the old glass and gasket out , keeping vertical so it doesn't crack. You may want to attempt reinstalling old one as per below for practice.

Clean the pinch weld of any adhesive or sealant, and 30 year dirt. Fix interior trim if it came loose.

Lay the new windshield on a windshield rack, inside up. Clean the inside. Install new gasket. Start with corners and work it all on. Take that 1/4" rope, leave about 1-2' loose on first end, and starting at bottom middle, feed it into the groove that wraps around pinch weld. You should have at least 1' sticking out for both ends or the rope at the bottom center of the windshield, one crossing the other.

For lube we used silicone spray sparingly. You could use soapy water, but can prevent sealing with adhesives. Lift window upright, and put it on top of the opening, center it up.

Get two people to put spread out steady pressure on the window on the outside. You climb in, and start the rope pulling process.

Pulling always toward the middle of the window(to pull back lip), start on ne side, and get if around the bottom corner. the rubber lip will be wrapping around pichweld as you go. Do the other lower corner. You can use hook tool to pull in any lip that resists. Go back and do the other side to top corner. Do the other side around top corner. Finish off to the middle.

If any of the gasket is not fully set in, you can slap the windshield with spread palms, kind of toward the middle of the window, it should fall in place.

Next is adhesive/sealant. ***Whatever it had before you should use again.***. Urethane would be smooth and hard, you probably had to cut it out. Butyl sealant would be sticky or kind of dried out.

Use disposable gloves. Cut a fine tip on your caulking tube. Start on glass side to minimize mess, always starting far away, going towards you. Stick the tip between glass and rubber, run small bead all the way around, inside the window groove. You only need enough to contact and seal. Repeat between body and rubber.

Clean up with rags and solvent. you can use new SS safety razors on glass side, spraying foam glass cleaner to prevent scratches. Hopefully you aren't all black. Clean window and reinstall other parts.

good luck!
Marc.
 
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redvalkyrie

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Excellent advise and a big help. I appreciate it immensely. The current window is rock chipped and cracked--so I'm not too worried about that window. I don"t want to shatter it but it won't be the end of the world for me.

It's the new glass that worries me.

I wish I could say it's a Corolla from 82 but the glass and seal are completely different. I did call around to different shops and the quotes were all close to being the same for installation. A number of them refused to even look at the window when I told them what the car was. Believe me-- if I could find somebody reasonable I would pay to have it done. And I really do need to replace it. Now, I've only been stopped by a cop once and he just wanted to see the car. Not going to lie-- the exhaust is a header to a straight dump out the side and that's what got me noticed. Fortunately, the cop didn't care and was a really cool guy but he did mention the windshield as "technically" being a problem. However, after checking the car out he just let me go. I saw him several months later when he was off duty and he asked for a ride.
 
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Try and find a used windshield at a scrap yard. Watch the man take it out. Ask for the rubber if he doesn't cut it.
 

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Yeah any wrecker with half a brain is going to cut the rubber. Better chance of selling a window without rubber than no window, because they broke it. Tempered side and back windows are a different story.

It seems people on this site are interested in tools, so Iwent out to the garage and took a snapshot of some of my old tools. Below are the tools I recommended for gasket windshield install..
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And below are some tools for urethane windshield install/removals...

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I don't own any electric or pneumatic knives for urethane cut-outs. Someone mentions ironed Equalizer-probably only saw those used 5 times ever. Fien knives were popular back then(late 90s) and I think a real nice one from Australia, don't remember the name.
 

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