Tools from the old world

[Monte]

Welcome on board Chreese !
Very nice collection of exotic tools !

hhmmmmm Weidmüller !
Unfortunately their crimping tools are beyond my budget...

Do you have some close-ups of the Berner (NWS) circlip pliers ?

ps: Those Wiha bit-holders are sweet !

ps: where do you got the Knipex combi pliers with red/black handle from ?

 

[Diablo]

I had that Felo E-smart set, but ended up returning it, bits fit sloppy just wasnt a fan of it

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

thanks for your replies.

hhmmmmm Weidmüller !
Unfortunately their crimping tools are beyond my budget...

Both Weidmüller pliers were on sale at Hoffmann lately. Of course, I bought the PZ 3 before the promo started and paid more. Fortunately, the deal on the Stripax was great.
As far as I know, the Atorn self-adjusting wire stripper that looks a lot like the Stripax is on sale until the end of August.

Sorry, I don't have any close-ups of the Berner circlip pliers. I can only offer to email you the non-resized version of the pic posted above.

ps: where do you got the Knipex combi pliers with red/black handle from ?

Those pliers came with the Proxxon "PKW- und Universalwerkzeugkoffer" I purchased years ago.

I had that Felo E-smart set, but ended up returning it, bits fit sloppy just wasnt a fan of it

I agree, there's some play but that's ok with me because I hardly ever use those screwdrivers. The reason I got them was that I liked the concept.


Now up to more tools. Not all of them are necessarily made in Europe. At least they are available and used here.

The Berner bit ratchet should be handy when working in tight spots:

I have absolutely no clue where the so-called Berner "Loop Ratchet" is made. It should be useful at (long) threaded rods and shock absorbers.

Combination wrenches from Berner, Solido and Proxxon. Interestingly, I recently discovered that there are (at least) some optical similarities between Berner, Proxxon und Toptul wrenches.

Hazet and Gedore box wrenches:

My smallish collection of ratchets. More are on my list. I'm tempted to get a Gedore set that contains the Gedore U-20 ratchet but then again, when I played with the U-20 and the U-10 ratchet at a store, the U-10 was quite a bit smoother. It has less teeth though.

Stahlwille, Gedore, Usag, Proxxon and Berner sockets:

Genius (definitely not from the "old world"), Gedore and Stahlwille sockets:

Berner I-socket (not used yet) and conventional-style Berner socket:

Gedore Torx sockets:

Does anyone know why the finish of Gedore 1/4" sockets differs from the finish of Gedore 1/2" sockets?

Quality hammers are essential to woodworkers and garage guys:

If you ever get the chance to use a Fein corded drill be careful. I may assure you that you won't be able to resist it. It operates extremely smoothly. It's hard to describe, you just have to feel it.

The Metabo angle grinder doesn't get much use in my shop. Nevertheless, I don't regret the investment. It's a well-built unit that performs flawlessly.

Have a nice day,

Chreese

 

[bchee]

Hey Chreese did you post picts of your box somewhere?

 

[southpier]

this is a different "old world", but i don't have the energy to start a new thread:

http://www.alloy-artifacts.com/

http://www.alloy-artifacts.com/sherman-klove.html

it may have come from this forum (?) so many links, so little time . . . .

 

[Monte]

Nice flea market finds! Ahhhh...how fun it'll be to go to one out there and just dig through buckets, full of wrenches!

Luckily we have a virtual online flea market with this forum here

The pic is ....from.... I don't remember where. It's not a FG magazine, but one of those other "Tools from the World" type magazine.

which one ?

 

[superautobacs]

which one ?

I don't know! There's quite a few books that have been published for over 10 years. I wish the publishers can do a re-run of all their hand tool related books...in a few different languages.

BTW, that Dowidat combi wrench has a very similar offset on the open end....like the Willes.


Welcome, Chreese! What a great addition to this thread. More unfamiliar brand names.
Nice to see some Unior stuff...their line of tools share a very German aesthetic.

 

[DS-21]

@DS-21: Nice screwdrivers ! I like the old ones with the square blade , looks tough. The newer ones seem to have a slightly revised handle.
Do you also have one of their newer "ergo" style screwdrivers ? The older versions were made in germany, the newer ones are from spain now.

Yea I like them too! Only problem is the square bladers are hard to find in unused condition, the newest are about 30 years old...
These 1980's are the only ergo's I have.

 

[Monte]

Thanks chreese for these beautiful pics !

re: Berner: I`m pretty sure the Loop ratchet and the mini ratchet/rat. wrenches are from Taiwan. Do the regular Berner wrench say "germany" somewhere ?

There are somehow similarities between the wrenches of a lot of different brands:

I think there is already almost every design which you can think of on the market hence the similarities.

ps: Very beautiful Picard hammer with leather handle !!

I wish I wouldn`t spent all the money on screwdrivers + other stuff since a Fein drill is still on my wishlist (ASke 636)

BTW screwdrivers:
Witte Toplus:

@DS-21: wow i think that are the first ergo drivers which were made by Bahco !

 

[DS-21]

Yea! Early 80's...

 

[DS-21]

some of my favorite 1960s Bahco's

and a few adjustables, ranging from 1940s to 2000s

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

Hey Chreese did you post picts of your box somewhere?

Not yet. I don't have any good pics of it right now.

Do the regular Berner wrench say "germany" somewhere ?

I don't think so but as I don't have access to the wrenches at the moment, I can't tell you for sure that there's no "Germany" or "Made in Germany".

Thanks for the photo of the wrenches, Monte. As for WGB, I was at a "Bauhaus" store last week. No Matador but Proxxon and lots of WGB labelled with "Wisent".

Indeed, the Picard hammer is nice. When I took it out of the drawer that it has been resting in for months I had to discover that the handle had started to rust. Quite annoying.

I wish I wouldn`t spent all the money on screwdrivers + other stuff since a Fein drill is still on my wishlist (ASke 636)

Get a fine Fein drill, you won't be sorry.
I don't even want to know how much money I've already spent on screwdrivers. It's an obsession.

BTW, Monte, can you compare the U-10 Gedore ratchet to the Stahlwille (quick release) ratchets and the Hazet 916/8816 P/863 P? Which ones are the smoothest ratchets?

Benning Duspol voltage tester:

The famous (at least among European woodworkers) Elu MOF 96 router:

Old AEG hammer drill:

A variety of diagonal cutting pliers:

More Unior tools:

USH ratcheting screwdriver with adjustable length:

Regards,

Chreese

 

[Monte]

some of my favorite 1960s Bahco's

and a few adjustables, ranging from 1940s to 2000s

Nice wrenches ! Tools in inches ? So you have a american car ?
The adjustable wrench with the "B A Hjorth" inscription must be the oldest of them ?


Some more Bahco, I have 2 water pump pliers, but these are not from sweden:

2x sweden, 1x spain:

I like these:

 

[Diablo]

That Witte Toplus screwdriver looks close the the Klein journeymen series ones

 

[Chreese]

More wrenches ...

Rahsol and Stahlwille ("Electric") double open-end wrenches:

Rahsol and Unior box-end wrenches:

Unior wrench close-up pic:

The wrench in the middle might be from Walter. I know it is part of a tool set (ratchet, wrenches, sockets etc.) that my father bought many years ago. If I recall correctly, it says "Walter" on the box the tools were purchased in.

Somehow it seems that I do own too many wrenches … if it is possible to own too many tools at all …

Greetings from the old world,

Chreese

 

[Monte]

@Chreese: I thought Matador is also available in Austria , since the dude on the phone said that they deliver to 170 Bauhaus branches Europe-wide. The prices are nice: 1/2" deep sockets from 4,20 Euro (13mm) to 4,80 Euro (19mm), 1/2" Torx50 6,10 €, or 3/8" dr. hex sockets from 3,90 to 4,80 € (6/8 mm). Made in germany...

sorry to hear that the hammer rusted. Some of my tools also rust, usually the nickel plated ones and the phosphate finish ones since the humidity is very high here in the winter so there is a wet coat on all metal surfaces during the winter...

still want one

I only have these ratchets at hand right now but the Gedores are the smoothest since they have a 2 pawl setup ( 2 seperate Sperrstücke) The Gedore ones also should be smoother than the Hazets ( only 1 pawl)
The pictured fine tooth ratchets have a similar feel, except the 3/8" Hazet which seems to be smoother than the 3/8" Facom and also the 1/4 and 1/2" Versions. The Stahlwille ratchet is smoother than the CAT/SO 936 ratchets.

As you can see you can lock the ratchet in the middle position so both pawls are engaged which result in higher strengh for initial loosening or final tightening

Standard single pawl configuration (older Snap On, Hazet, Wille, Gedore U-20 etc.)

Dual pawl configuration (Gedore U-10, Koken, newer Snap On 80 series etc.)

Fine tooth ratchet configuration ( Facom, Hazet, Gedore, SK, Proto etc.)

 

[superautobacs]

Chreese, I'd say you have a pretty healthy selection of 12mm-13mm wrenches to get any job done.
How old are the Unior wrenches you have?

That Witte Toplus screwdriver looks close the the Klein journeymen series ones

Really?

 

[superautobacs]

I think he meant this screwdriver. The Klein Grip-It.

That's more like it. I never knew there was such an offering from Klein.

 

[Diablo]

Yea sorry that one, they have them at the wholesale place under the "Journeyman" banner.

 

[Monte]

haha i thought the same thing than superautobacs !
But the Grip-it looks identical, and since Witte also has a Patent on tool handles with any kind of coating it`s pretty clear that they`re Wittes.
Thanks Diablo + The Motts for this interesting find !

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

@Chreese: I thought Matador is also available in Austria , since the dude on the phone said that they deliver to 170 Bauhaus branches Europe-wide. The prices are nice: 1/2" deep sockets from 4,20 Euro (13mm) to 4,80 Euro (19mm), 1/2" Torx50 6,10 €, or 3/8" dr. hex sockets from 3,90 to 4,80 € (6/8 mm). Made in germany...

Apparently, Matador is not available at Austrian Bauhaus stores. This applies at least to the store I visited last week which is rather new and large. It even has a drive-in-area.
A few hours ago, I wrote an email to Bauhaus. Hopefully, I'll receive some helpful information.
Regarding the pricing, I wasn't too enthused about the prices on Matador tools that I found in a Bauhaus catalogue on the German Bauhaus website.

sorry to hear that the hammer rusted.

There are only a few rusty/rusting spots very close to the leather handle. Maybe it has to do with glue or other chemicals that are used in order to attach the leather to the hammer.

Thanks for the enlightening words about the ratchets.
I guess, I'll change my plans and get a Gedore U-10 instead of the Stahlwille quick release ratchet that was on my list.

Chreese, I'd say you have a pretty healthy selection of 12mm-13mm wrenches to get any job done.
How old are the Unior wrenches you have?

I'm glad you used the word "healthy", not "unhealthy". Most of the wrenches shown were bought in sets. Thus my "healthy" selection goes from 6 to 32 mm. Reading this forum isn't good at all ... It even scares me that I have only a single (no collection!) 36 mm combination wrench.
The Unior wrench(es) were purchased in 2006. Unfortunately, I can't contribute anything about the production date.

Have a nice day,

Chreese

 

[Monte]

Some more wrenches:

Old "Matador" design, new sleek glossy satin Matador design, "Würth Zebra", and old glossy "Belzer" wrench.

 

[Skyline]

haha i thought the same thing than superautobacs !
But the Grip-it looks identical, and since Witte also has a Patent on tool handles with any kind of coating it`s pretty clear that they`re Wittes.
Thanks Diablo + The Motts for this interesting find !

Interesting find yes...but unless you work in a clean room, I would skip those screwdrivers. Those fuzzy handles attract grease like a moth is attracted to a flame...and are pretty much impossible to clean. I had a set of Matco screwdrivers made by Witte (with the same fuzz), and while they are nicely made, and the handles feel nice, they look like **** really quickly.

 

[DS-21]

Nice wrenches ! Tools in inches ? So you have a american car ?
The adjustable wrench with the "B A Hjorth" inscription must be the oldest of them ?

Yes I have. Or no, it's a pickup '82 Jeep J-20. Volvos up to 1970s use SAE too. Plus there are a LOT of old american iron in sweden

The "Hjort" is the oldest, I think the "70-series" was introduced in 1920s.

Here some from the Orenco works, mainly from the 1950s

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

well, I might be wrong but somehow I got the impression that some folks here have a passion for screwdrivers. So I thought, "Why not post some pics of screwdrivers?!"

Information about this screwdriver is welcome. I know nothing about it.

Nut drivers:

BTW, now it's official: No Matador tools at Austrian Bauhaus stores. The email I got clarified that.

Regards,

Chreese

 

[superautobacs]

Servus,

well, I might be wrong but somehow I got the impression that some folks here have a passion for screwdrivers. So I thought, "Why not post some pics of screwdrivers?!"

Oh my, this is tool ****.

I like that blue handled Felo! Must be an older production as I've never seen a transluscent plastic handle Felo.

 

[superautobacs]

... Here some from the Orenco works, mainly from the 1950s

I love this thread; old and new stuff mixed together.

I remember someone on this board was asking for information about Orenco tools earlier this year and IIRC, no one had an answer.

 

[Monte]

Interesting find yes...but unless you work in a clean room, I would skip those screwdrivers. Those fuzzy handles attract grease like a moth is attracted to a flame...and are pretty much impossible to clean. I had a set of Matco screwdrivers made by Witte (with the same fuzz), and while they are nicely made, and the handles feel nice, they look like **** really quickly.

Yeah then I would look out for the Witte Maxxpro or Protop 2 which come without the fur.

Witte Protop II Impact:

 

[Monte]

Yes I have. Or no, it's a pickup '82 Jeep J-20. Volvos up to 1970s use SAE too. Plus there are a LOT of old american iron in sweden

The "Hjort" is the oldest, I think the "70-series" was introduced in 1920s.

Here some from the Orenco works, mainly from the 1950s

Some of the wrenches on the pic look like they say "O`kay" ? Or I am blind ?

I already heard from ppl who visited sweden that there are a lot of american cars since you also don`t have to pay tax for cars older than 30 years i heard ? When my monte carlo will be finished in a couple of decades I`ll visit Västeras for sure !! http://www.bigmeet.com/

 

[Monte]

The new Stanley "Fat Max XL" screwdrivers:

 

[Zorro13]

Servus,

well, I might be wrong but somehow I got the impression that some folks here have a passion for screwdrivers. So I thought, "Why not post some pics of screwdrivers?!"

You're right: Screwdrivers are in my opinion one of the really weak spots in the US tool business. The common stuff comes with el cheapo non-ergonomic hard plastic handles and weak blades. Most of them are also not available with go-through blades. So no prying and hammering.

The only nice ones I saw were imports from Europe or Asia. The truck brands may have something that compares but even they could rely on re-badged imported stuff. I was so happy when Toptul made decent, reasonably priced screwdrivers available in the US.

 

[Monte]

btw screwdrivers

Gedore

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

and here we go again: more screwdrivers

Rennsteig and Habero taper punches and a PB parallel pin punch:

Regards,

Chreese

Edit: PS: Monte, those Gedore screwdrivers look nice. Could you please stop posting such pics?

 

[fatfillup]

Chreese, I see you are new here. welcome!! Yes we like screwdrivers,,,,,and ratchets,,,,and wrenches,,,,,and any other thing called a tool as long as its well made. We also like bargains!!!!!!!!

Great pics by the way, we like them too!!!!!!!!

 

[Monte]

@chreese: only if you stop first !


Beta torx T-handles :

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

@fatfillup
Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate them.

@Monte
For some reason, I can justify to spend lots of money on tools fairly easily but at the same time I can't convince myself that $ 200 for a digital camera are a good investment. Now that I have posted almost all pics I took last week, I bet I'll be the first to stop.

Beta: Do you also own a set of T-handle hex drivers 951? If yes, how do you like them?

Regards,

Chreese

 

[ricleh]

Thanks chreese for these beautiful pics !

re: Berner: I`m pretty sure the Loop ratchet and the mini ratchet/rat. wrenches are from Taiwan. Do the regular Berner wrench say "germany" somewhere ?

There are somehow similarities between the wrenches of a lot of different brands:

I think there is already almost every design which you can think of on the market hence the similarities.

ps: Very beautiful Picard hammer with leather handle !!

I wish I wouldn`t spent all the money on screwdrivers + other stuff since a Fein drill is still on my wishlist (ASke 636)

BTW screwdrivers:
Witte Toplus:

@DS-21: wow i think that are the first ergo drivers which were made by Bahco !

I was thinking about getting an ASke 636, but I decided to get a DSEU 638 instead. It looks like the DS 648 on Fein's home site.

 

[Monte]

@Chreese: A good digi cam is also on my wishlist but all the money is already into tools ... PS: post some pics of your Berner toolbox ! Did you buy a complete (filled) one ?

I don`t have the Beta`s with the metal handle only these hex T-handles:

 

[Monte]

I was thinking about getting an ASke 636, but I decided to get a DSEU 638 instead. It looks like the DS 648 on Fein's home site.

@ricleh: I already have a 1/2" Metabo drill so i thought a small/light 3/8" drill would be good.
IIRC you own a lot of Fein tools ? Sander, angle grinder, vacuum, jigsaw ?
Please post some pics if you like.

 

[superautobacs]

I like this. I don't think that's a feature seen much today.

Also, the ratchet heads and beam seem to resemble the Willes, and the abundance of spline sockets....just a coincidence?